Current Events > Why isn't toxic femininity a thing

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Yes, toxic masculinity is real and should be addressed, but why are we ignoring toxic femininity though?

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because women are the ones who make up all these terms anyway

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Yes, toxic masculinity is real and should be addressed

Yeah.

JBaLLEN66 posted...

but why are we ignoring toxic femininity though?

Probably cuz it's not as egregious?

Toxic femininity doesn't cause women to bottle up a shit ton of emotion and then attack or kill people.

Of course toxic femininity is a thing. But it does not fit the narrative. When all else fails, blame men. But you cant low key have that as your group ideology, while also acknowledging any flaws in femininity or feminism.

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So what is it?

ZannoL posted...

Toxic femininity doesn't cause women to bottle up a shit ton of emotion and then attack or kill people.

This, more or less. I've seen people throw the term around, and it exists. But worst case scenario of toxic femininity is like, idk, being real, real catty and manipulative.

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ZannoL posted...

Yeah.

Probably cuz it's not as egregious?

Toxic femininity doesn't cause women to bottle up a shit ton of emotion and then attack or kill people.

darkphoenix181 posted...

So what is it?

really, so women are flawless human beings and every issue on this earth is caused by men?

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we call that "sexism"

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LostForest posted...

This, more or less. I've seen people throw the term around, and it exists. But worst case scenario of toxic femininity is like, idk, being real, real catty and manipulative.

so only men are prone to violence? Only men bullying others? Only men steal or extort? Just because women arent like broski about it doesnt mean it should be ignored.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

so women are flawless human beings and every issue on this earth is caused by men?

Where in the world did I say that?I think toxic femininity deserves to be called out too. I'm just saying that toxic masculinity is much worse. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that.

JBaLLEN66 posted...

really, so women are flawless human beings and every issue on this earth is caused by men?

How did you get that out of the two posts you quoted

JBaLLEN66 posted...

so only men are prone to violence? Only men bullying others? Only men steal or extort? Just because women arent like broski about it doesnt mean it should be ignored.

Ah youre trolling. Gotcha

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ZannoL posted...

Where in the world did I say that?I think toxic femininity deserves to be called out too. I'm just saying that toxic masculinity is much worse. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that.

How is it much worse? Please explain.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

really, so women are flawless human beings and every issue on this earth is caused by men?

You tell me. What is their flaw that is so toxic?

darkphoenix181 posted...

You tell me. What is their flaw that is so toxic?

when you admit that women are actually capable of performing harmful actions on both men and women Ill bite!

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I'd say it is, we just don't call it by that term.

Many people state the negatives of various feminine traits
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people always talk about women being bitchy and tearing each other down, being dramatic, gossiping, etc., what are you talking about?

Far less media or academic attention has been devoted to toxic femininity than to toxic masculinity. Indeed, in response to her readers, freelance journalist Katie Anthony raised the question, Is toxic femininity a thing?" She proposed that there is no simple answer because in our society, femininity is not highly prized and is thus inconsequential; if it exists in men, then it is punishable. Hence, femininity is inherently toxic.

Toxic femininity," if it exists, she wrote, "encourages silent acceptance of violence and domination in order to survive ... Its a thing women do to keep our value, which the patriarchy has told us is conditional upon our ability to bear violent domination Toxic masculinity also makes women feel locked into a performance of their gender bereft of the normal impulses we have toward independence, sexual agency, anger, volume, messiness, ugliness, and being a tough bird to swallow."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201908/toxic-femininity

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

When all else fails, blame men.

Shablagoo posted...

Toxic femininity," if it exists, she wrote, "encourages silent acceptance of violence and domination in order to survive ... Its a thing women do to keep our value, which the patriarchy has told us is conditional upon our ability to bear violent domination

First, deny. If that doesnt work, deflect. Men bad. If women bad, its really men bad.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

First, deny. If that doesnt work, deflect. Men bad. If women bad, its really men bad.

That or men made them do it. Granted I think its true in certain regards but framing it in a way that just generally blames men is silly. Men are negatively affected by the power structure/the patriarchy too.

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Shablagoo posted...

a tough bird to swallow."

I've got one of those myself, ladies
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It does exist.

If not the "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" phrase would not exist.
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Because saying anything female is bad in some way makes you an evil sexist mansplainer.

what is toxic femininity iyo

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It's a thing. It's just that the toxicity is different in some regards.

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It is a thing though?

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emblem boy posted...

I'd say it is, we just don't call it by that term.

Many people state the negatives of various feminine traits

This basically.

But there should be a term for it if there is a term for toxically masculine traits.
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If Toxic masculinity is the repression of emotions by men for some gendered tribalism, I would think women being emotionally abusive and manipulative towards men and women for gendered tribalism to be an example of toxic femininity

The feminist definition just paints toxic femininity as a form of stockholm syndrome, where subordinate women are the victim and men the abusive perpetrators of the patriarchy.

The problem some people in this topic are having is, once again, a willful lack of understanding of the term toxic masculinity.

Toxic masculinity isn't blaming men for everything. In fact, toxic masculinity is a problem caused equally by both men and women and generally, men are the victims of it.

Some of you need to stop playing the victim card all the time. It's pathetic. Nobody is attacking you by using the term toxic masculinity.

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Toxic Masculinity = Societal expectations of men that harm men and women

Toxic Femininity = Societal expectations of women that harm men and women

That is my understanding of the two terms at least.

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Musourenka posted...

Toxic Masculinity = Societal expectations of men that harm men and women

Toxic Femininity = Societal expectations of women that harm men and women

That is my understanding of the two terms at least.

Yes.

The only thing I'd add is that both men and women can be responsible for perpetuating both.

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IloveJesus posted...

The problem some people in this topic are having is, once again, a willful lack of understanding of the term toxic masculinity.

Toxic masculinity isn't blaming men for everything. In fact, toxic masculinity is a problem caused equally by both men and women and generally, men are the victims of it.

Some of you need to stop playing the victim card all the time. It's pathetic. Nobody is attacking you by using the term toxic masculinity.

The term "toxic masculinity" is very broad and can easily be interchanged (simply because of the word's definition and English grammar) with "toxicness of masculinity" or "toxic men". And it has been interchanged with those terms. The fact that there is no popularly used equivalent term for "toxic femininity" only adds to that.

Aside from those who think that people should always conform to traditional gender roles, that is the reason why the term "toxic masculinity" gets backlash. Words matter, and you can't use an overly broad term and then criticize people for not understanding all the nuances of it. The other topic could have said "Overly conforming to traditional male gender roles responsible for poor mental heath" and got the same point across without using a vague buzzword. And I'm sure the study would have found the same results if it was about overly conforming to traditional female gender roles.
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The Trent posted...

because women are the ones who make up all these terms anyway

lmao
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

First, deny. If that doesnt work, deflect. Men bad. If women bad, its really men bad.

Just want to tell you that every single one of your posts reflect someone who has never attempted to research against his established position.

That being said, toxic femininity should be more recognized. It's just quieter, for lack of a better term. You're not going to care as much about failed suicide attempts.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

that is the reason why the term "toxic masculinity" gets backlash

It isn't though. It's because some people are so incredibly insecure that they feel like everything is an attack on them.

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BlueMage279 posted...

All of these terms stem from feminist ideologies. Agree or disagree with it, there's no denying that the good things are named after femaleness and all the bad ones are named after maleness. Wonder why that could be?

Good: Feminism
Bad: Patriarchy, Toxic Masculinity, Mansplaining

Do you really wonder, or are you just implying something you already strongly believe? The origin of terms comes from a frame of reference where women weren't legally in the same class as men.

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IloveJesus posted...

It isn't though. It's because some people are so incredibly insecure that they feel like everything is an attack on them.

Then why not say "overly conforming to traditional gender roles" or "toxic levels of traditional gender roles" or something like that?

If you see that people are going to feel victimized even if that isn't the intention of the term, the solution isn't to cover your eyes and ears and call everyone else wrong. I think most people could get on board with the idea that overly conforming to traditional gender roles is not good for society, but there is a reason why every debate about "toxic masculinity" derails into a debate about semantics.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

First, deny. If that doesnt work, deflect. Men bad. If women bad, its really men bad.

DAMN!

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BlueMage279 posted...

Mansplaining too?

Regardless, when a term is outdated, update it.

Not really how our language works. Or most languages, for that matter. We just shift meanings over time.

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Id say Id have to worry about some people ITT procreating someday but luckily theyll never get to that point so

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BlueMage279 posted...

We aren't talking about meanings. We're talking about terms. There's a large opposition to these terms already. This is not new.

I challenge you to give me a context in this topic where terms have been separated from having meaning.

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get educated before you complain about things you don't understand, tc

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idk about u tc, but I had many classes in my health class in middle school dedicated to the view of women in the media and culture, and its contribution to women's mental health issues such as anorexia.

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BlueMage279 posted...

Two terms can have the same meaning, while one is less offensive/more accurate than the other. Do you not understand that? Which one should we use in that case?

For example: Midget. "The r word". 2 clinical terms with specific meanings that society has collectively agreed cant be used because people abused them.

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BlueMage279 posted...

Two terms can have the same meaning, while one is less offensive/more accurate than the other. Do you not understand that? Which one should we use in that case?

I understand that, yet I also understand that you haven't answered my question.

But not to distract with pedantry; has toxic masculinity been used as an insult like the listed words?

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