Current Events > Democrats now believe Sanders has the best chance of beating Trump

(+) Yeah! (+)

nominating a (perceived) socialist while the economy is (perceived to be) doing well feels like something of a risk, but god bless

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shockthemonkey posted...

Yeah that doesnt have anything to do with how your made an insane post that capped off with Trump can get 3 terms because he was impeached

Certainly carries more water than your partys obsession with Russia. But-but Russia...but-but the rich...find a new line!

Who's talking about Russia

The only people I hear talking about Russia nowadays are Trumpers

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zzeennoolloo posted...

Long story short, he just wants to take power away from the top 1% (CEOs of corporations being one primary example) and give more power to the common people (the other 99%).

And this is another sad song of the Left which is just as pathetic as their racism towards Russia. That whole thing about one percenters all started with a whole bunch of failed at life rejects who started something called Occupy Wall Street. You do realize they were the types who curved or slept their way through college hoping some cushy job would just be given to them when they got out and got a rude awakening. Just another way to make failures and rejects seem like the victims

zzeennoolloo posted...

@karlpilkington4

Sanders is NOT a socialist.
Sanders is a democratic socialist (yes, there is a HUGE difference between the two).
Long story short, he just wants to take power away from the top 1% (CEOs of corporations being one primary example) and give more power to the common people (the other 99%). This is A LOT better than doing something like (for example) giving more tax cuts to corporations (for example, Amazon legally paid NO U.S federal income tax during 2018).

The current tax system was designed to encourage investment and research and let companies realize the benefit of early losses when they become profitable. Changing that simply forces companies to move overseas, where they pay the U.S 0. The federal income tax isn't the only tax.

For 2018, it reported owing $322 million in taxes to US state governments and another $563 million in the rest of the world.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190216-fact-check-does-amazon-pay-no-us-federal-income-tax

The majority of people in America watch 5 hours of tv a day. Its not my fault they are in poor financial positions due to their lack of financial literacy, combined with poor work ethic. People like Elon Musk risk EVERYTHING for their businesses to work. Why does Elon owe you anything?

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Doom_Art posted...

Who's talking about Russia

The only people I hear talking about Russia nowadays are Trumpers

Scroll up o illiterate one. All you leftists cry about is Putin and Russia

Leftist here, nobody I know gives a shit about Putin
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shockthemonkey posted...

Oh god here comes a meltdown from a dude who thinks getting impeached makes you eligible for a third term

He got screwed out of his first term by the lying democraps! He should get a free extra term to make up for it!

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karlpilkington4 posted...

The current tax system was designed to encourage investment and research and let companies realize the benefit of early losses when they become profitable. Changing that simply forces companies to move overseas, where they pay the U.S 0. The federal income tax isn't the only tax.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190216-fact-check-does-amazon-pay-no-us-federal-income-tax

The majority of people in America watch 5 hours of tv a day. Its not my fault they are in poor financial positions due to their lack of financial literacy, combined with poor work ethic. People like Elon Musk risk EVERYTHING for their businesses to work. Why does Elon owe you anything?

The only thing Elon Musk risks is losing money and having to get a fucking job like the rest of us.

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I mean people talked about it when it was in the news but yeah I've not heard anyone in lefty circles talk about it in a long time.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

People like Elon Musk risk EVERYTHING for their businesses to work.

This is fucking hilarious

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ScazarMeltex posted...

The only thing Elon Musk risks is losing money and having to get a fucking job like the rest of us.

I feel like you think you made some sort of enlightened point here, but all you did was show your jealousy and lack of courage to create something yourself.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

This is fucking hilarious

especially considering Elon Musk probably risks more in a day(or at least a week) than any one on gamefaqs will make in their lifetime

karlpilkington4 posted...

I feel like you think you made some sort of enlightened point here, but all you did was show your jealousy and lack of courage to create something yourself.

Right.

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Pssst guys, billionaires aren't going to reward you for defending them online

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Doom_Art posted...

Pssst guys, billionaires aren't going to reward you for defending them online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_LvRPX0rGY

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Doom_Art posted...

Pssst guys, billionaires aren't going to reward you for defending them online

I don't need rewards, I make my own money. It's interesting that you think these silly logical fallacies actually work on anyone.

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MachineJaipur posted...

especially considering Elon Musk probably risks more in a day(or at least a week) than any one on gamefaqs will make in their lifetime

This is even more hilarious

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Has Bernie exactly laid out how universal healthcare or any of his plans are going to work? $15.00 minimum wage will ultimately not matter in the long run. Most small businesses will have to make up the increased wages by increasing there revenue and cutting workers hours so they don't get full time benefits. Basically, $15.00 is still not a living wage nor should minimum wage ever be. College and Healthcare funded by the US Govenment is a massive expense and the top 1% won't be able to pay for it alone. Basically, everyone's taxes are going to go up. I'd rather Biden than Bernie and that's saying something.

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You wanna see risk-taking, walk into a Tesla plant and see the workers deal with Musk's dumbass opposition to basic safety.
https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/

Inside Teslas electric car factory, giant red robots some named for X-Men characters heave car parts in the air, while workers wearing black toil on aluminum car bodies. Forklifts and tuggers zip by on gray-painted floors, differentiated from pedestrian walkways by another shade of gray.

Theres one color, though, that some of Teslas former safety experts wanted to see more of: yellow the traditional hue of caution used to mark hazards.

Concerned about bone-crunching collisions and the lack of clearly marked pedestrian lanes at the Fremont, California, plant, the general assembly lines then-lead safety professional went to her boss, who she said told her, Elon does not like the color yellow.

The melding of cutting-edge technology and world-saving vision is Tesla Inc.s big draw. Many, including Justine White, the safety lead, went to work there inspired by Elon Musk, a CEO with star power and now a groundbreaking rocket in space.

What she and some of her colleagues found, they said, was a chaotic factory floor where style and speed trumped safety. Musks name often was invoked to justify shortcuts and shoot down concerns, they said.

Under fire for mounting injuries, Tesla recently touted a sharp drop in its injury rate for 2017, which it says came down to meet the auto industry average of about 6.2 injuries per 100 workers.

But things are not always as they seem at Tesla. An investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found that Tesla has failed to report some of its serious injuries on legally mandated reports, making the companys injury numbers look better than they actually are.

Last April, Tarik Logan suffered debilitating headaches from the fumes of a toxic glue he had to use at the plant. He texted his mom: Im n hella pain foreal something aint right.

The searing pain became so unbearable he couldnt work, and it plagued him for weeks.

But Logans inhalation injury, as it was diagnosed, never made it onto the official injury logs that state and federal law requires companies to keep. Neither did reports from other factory workers of sprains, strains and repetitive stress injuries from piecing together Teslas sleek cars.

Instead, company officials labeled the injuries personal medical issues or minor incidents requiring only first aid, according to internal company records obtained by Reveal.

Undercounting injuries is one symptom of a more fundamental problem at Tesla: The company has put its manufacturing of electric cars above safety concerns, according to five former members of its environment, health and safety team who left the company last year. That, they said, has put workers unnecessarily in harms way.

At one point, White said she warned superiors about a potential explosion hazard but was told they would defer to production managers because fixing the problem would require stopping the production line.

From September 2016 to January 2017, White oversaw safety for thousands of workers on Teslas general assembly line, in charge of responding to injuries, reviewing injury records, teaching safety classes and assessing the factory for hazards.

Everything took a back seat to production, White said. Its just a matter of time before somebody gets killed.

Tesla, worth about $50 billion, employs more than 10,000 workers at its Fremont factory. Alongside the companys remarkable rise, workers have been sliced by machinery, crushed by forklifts, burned in electrical explosions and sprayed with molten metal. Tesla recorded 722 injuries last year, about two a day. The rate of serious injuries, requiring time off or a work restriction, was 30 percent worse than the previous years industry average.

Frantic growth, constant changes and lax rules, combined with a CEO whom senior managers were afraid to cross, created an atmosphere in which few dared to stand up for worker safety, the former environment, health and safety team members told Reveal.

And in addition to yellow, Musk was said to dislike too many signs in the factory and the warning beeps forklifts make when backing up, former team members said. His preferences, they said, were well known and led to cutting back on those standard safety signals.

If someone said, Elon doesnt like something, you were concerned because you could lose your job, said Susan Rigmaiden, former environmental compliance manager.

A few months into her job, White became so alarmed that she wrote to a human resources manager that the risk of injury is too high. People are getting hurt every day and near-hit incidents where people are getting almost crushed or hit by cars is unacceptable.

The next day, she emailed Sam Teller, Musks chief of staff, that safety team leaders were failing to address the hazards.

I know what can keep a person up at night regarding safety, she wrote. I must tell you that I cant sleep here at Tesla.

She said she never heard back from Musks office. She transferred departments and quit a couple months later, disillusioned.

In her March 2017 resignation letter, White recounted the time she told her boss, Seth Woody, that the plant layout was extremely dangerous to pedestrians. Woody, head of the safety team, told her that Elon didnt want signs, anything yellow (like caution tape) or to wear safety shoes in the plant and acknowledged it was a mess, she wrote.

She sent the letter directly to Musk and the head of human resources at the time to no response, she said. Woody did not respond to inquiries.

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That sounds like an OSHA nightmare. Like through and through.

Platinum_Luigi posted...

not a living wage nor should minimum wage ever be

If we aren't going to pay everybody a living wage, then we might as well start killing the poor.

Mods, I do not actually want us to kill the poor.

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hockeybub89 posted...

If we aren't going to pay everybody a living wage, then we might as well start killing the poor.

Mods, I do not actually want us to kill the poor.

Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage, and I doubt you're paying anyone anything to begin with. If you want more money, learn more skills or get 2 jobs. It's very simple. There are 168 hours in a week, you need around 50 hours to sleep. So what in the world are people doing with the other 110 hours?

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Fascism Versus Socialism 2020

Well, that saves me an hour or two on voting day. I guess I don't have to show up for anything.

Godnorgosh posted...

FDR in 1933: no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.

Semantics doesn't negate my other point which you conveniently decided to leave out and not address.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage, and I doubt you're paying anyone anything to begin with. If you want more money, learn more skills or get 2 jobs. It's very simple. There are 168 hours in a week, you need around 50 hours to sleep. So what in the world are people doing with the other 110 hours?

People are already overworked. No one benefits from workers that aren't fresh How in the flying fuck are people supposed to gain skills when they need to find multiple jobs and roommates just to rub together enough pennies to keep the lights on and food in their stomach? If everyone could survive off a single job, they could focus on improving their skills and pursuing further education. They would have more money to pump into the economy. They wouldn't be as stressed and in poor health, making them less of a drain. We should be encouraging success more than punishing failure. Merely living is a baseline, not something that should be fought tooth and nail for in a supposed first world nation

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hockeybub89 posted...

People are already overworked. No one benefits from workers that aren't fresh How in the flying fuck are people supposed to gain skills when they need to find multiple jobs and roommates just to rub together enough pennies to keep the lights on and food in their stomach? If everyone could survive off a single job, they could focus on improving their skills and pursuing further education. They would have more money to pump into the economy. They wouldn't be as stressed and in poor health, making them less of a drain. We should be encouraging success more than punishing failure. Merely living is a baseline, not something that should be fought tooth and nail for in a supposed first world nation

Yeah but then the poor billionaires would actually have to be cognizant of the health and capabilities of their employees and keep a diverse, well stocked payroll <_<

karl pilkington is a sweet monkey loving man and its a shame someone has taken his name and run it so amok

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Why the fuck y'all been feeding him for the entire topic
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Godnorgosh posted...

That's not "semantics." You are demonstrably wrong.

His original bill was literally deemed unconstitutional in 1935, If you want to play history lesson games, you will lose.

United States, the Supreme Court held the mandatory codes section of NIRA unconstitutional, because it attempted to regulate commerce that was not interstate in character, and that the codes represented an unacceptable delegation of power from the legislature to the executive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Recovery_Administration


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hockeybub89 posted...

People are already overworked. No one benefits from workers that aren't fresh How in the flying fuck are people supposed to gain skills when they need to find multiple jobs and roommates just to rub together enough pennies to keep the lights on and food in their stomach? If everyone could survive off a single job, they could focus on improving their skills and pursuing further education. They would have more money to pump into the economy. They wouldn't be as stressed and in poor health, making them less of a drain. We should be encouraging success more than punishing failure. Merely living is a baseline, not something that should be fought tooth and nail for in a supposed first world nation

You're not overworked if you still have around 60 hours a week available to you after working, sleeping and self care. There are many options available to people, yet they spend 5 hours a day watching tv on average.

In 2017 alone, an average U.S. consumer spent 238 minutes (3h 58min) daily watching TV. According to a Nielsen report, United States adults are watching five hours and four minutes of television per day on average (35.5 h/week, slightly more than 77 days per year).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_consumption

Don't blame the system, when people ignore reality and just make excuses for why they cant be seem to be successful.

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karlpilkington4 posted...

He has the worst chance imo. Too polarizing. We don't want socialism here.

Its posts like this that convince me every admitted trump supporter on this dying website is an edgy 4chan memer lmao

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Ving_Rhames posted...

I find channels like this one WAY fuckin worse

https://streamable.com/x69s6

wrong topic?

MachineJaipur posted...

wrong topic?

Yes LOL Idk how that happened


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Regardless of how unpopular Trump is, his 40-49% of supporters will show up to vote. Bernie although polarizing has a strong fanbase that will show up to vote unlike Bidens.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Regardless of how unpopular Trump is, his 40-49% of supporters will show up to vote. Bernie although polarizing has a strong fanbase that will show up to vote unlike Bidens.

Just like they did in Iowa?

karlpilkington4 posted...

There is a difference between a president who says whats on his mind, and is a refreshing break from the status quo of career politicians, versus someone who wants the public to pay for other peoples life choices.

Exactly; Bernie would be a nice change from someone like Trump who has maintained the status quo and increased the national debt significantly while increasing a majority of the country's taxes.

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TheRealDill2015 posted...

Just like they did in Iowa?

did he face Donald dump?

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karlpilkington4 posted...

Your whole post is riddled with logical fallacies. And I like how you conveniently left out the whole convincing America to vote for him thing. I guess any dumbass off the street can do that, huh?

Boy it sure is hard to get ignorant rubes to vote for you when you promise pie in the sky bullshit that you spend three years pointedly not delivering on.

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My opinion was Biden's support was always soft and he couldn't handle the general. Bernie has always been the best hope imo.
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