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solosnake
03/02/20 1:08:15 AM
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Is there a better twist in the entire series than when

you play as edea(who you probably thought was evil) and find out that everyone grew up together as kids?

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pfh1001
03/02/20 1:09:55 AM
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FF6 is tops with me-- how often in any game do you actually fail to save the world?
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gunplagirl
03/02/20 1:10:06 AM
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Final Fantasy XIV Stormblood spoilers

When you find out an Ascian named Emet-Selch was the founder of the Empire

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MadDewg
03/02/20 1:18:48 AM
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Its not the best, but I still liked how *final fantasy 7 spoilers*:

you find out that cloud is just some random mook that was too embarrassed to admit he was a mook to tifa during that nibelheim incident, and that it was instead zack that was the super awesome hairy-assed badass. The only thing of note he did was get the surprise stabbing in on sephy. Cloud with his non-soldier first class ass.

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Corrupt_Power
03/02/20 1:27:08 AM
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MadDewg posted...
Its not the best, but I still liked how *final fantasy 7 spoilers*:

you find out that cloud is just some random mook that was too embarrassed to admit he was a mook to tifa during that nibelheim incident, and that it was instead zack that was the super awesome hairy-assed badass. The only thing of note he did was get the surprise stabbing in on sephy. Cloud with his non-soldier first class ass.

That was a good twist
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SolKarellen
03/02/20 1:30:44 AM
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Corrupt_Power posted...
That was a good twist
I hate how people always mock FF7s plot and make dumb jokes about Sephys momma problems and how emo Cloud is.

Its almost like theyve never played the game or forgot that Aeris death isnt the only plot twist.

The plot twist in FF7 is incredible and I cant wait for new people to see it for the first tine.

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mach25687
03/02/20 2:03:19 AM
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Still like the theory on FF8 that the rest of the game after Edea stab Squall was a death dream.

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OmegaShinkai
03/02/20 2:05:19 AM
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SolKarellen posted...
make dumb jokes about Sephys momma problems and how emo Cloud is.
Square did this to themselves with Advent Children.
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MadDewg
03/02/20 2:08:56 AM
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Yeah, I really liked that plot twist back in the day. When you play rpgs, you are just so used to your guy being a super special chosen one from birth and whatnot, but *final fantasy 7 spoilers* cloud had to earn that chosen one position...he really was for all intent and purposes a non-special, unskilled mook. He had to go through a ton of development, get passed the mako poisoning, and a lot of psychological baggage for him to really get into the position to kick-ass and lead. Its a jrpg plot from 1997, but in my opinion it still holds up extremely well today because of just how messed up cloud was, and I can't wait to go through the remake and experience a hopefully way better localization.

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saspa
03/03/20 10:11:13 AM
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I don't know why everyone hated that twist. Maybe I was the only who actually read the computer at the beginning of the game that had a throwaway line about GFs "causing possible memory loss, but nah probably not" and then seeing it featured in-game which I thought was cool for a jrpg back in the day.

The thing that's really weird is that by the end of disc 2, Squall still did not develop any huge feelings for Rinoa and the gang were calling him heartless for not going to save her during the school battle, when he had to command the entirety of SeeD and couldn't focus on just one person (which honestly is understandable). And said gang kept pushing him "go save Rinoa, go save Rinoa!"

Then weirdly at the very beginning of disc 3 he's like head over heels in love with her and talks about how he can't live without her. It's very jarring. I used to think the romance was pretty amazing (and still consider the ballroom dance to be one of the best scenes ever) but considering Rinoa was in love with Seifer initially for some odd reason, it kinda sours the relationship.

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UnfairRepresent
03/03/20 10:12:44 AM
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I thought it was dumb

Everyone having the same backstory is boring as hell writing.
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SolKarellen
03/03/20 1:17:05 PM
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Then weirdly at the very beginning of disc 3 he's like head over heels in love with her and talks about how he can't live without her. It's very jarring. I used to think the romance was pretty amazing (and still consider the ballroom dance to be one of the best scenes ever) but considering Rinoa was in love with Seifer initially for some odd reason, it kinda sours the relationship.

Love is a crazy thing. I knew somebody for nearly six years and one day realized that I loved her. Especially in Squalls case where his love epiphany happens when shes absent due to her coma.

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Questionmarktarius
03/03/20 1:18:51 PM
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FF5's maps:
World A
World B
World A and B mashed together.
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MC_BatCommander
03/03/20 1:19:21 PM
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That twist could have been great with proper setup. It blindsides you out of nowhere with a shitty explanation.


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Reis
03/03/20 1:21:06 PM
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how in the fuck can anyone think this a good a twist
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J03can
03/03/20 1:21:29 PM
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It would have been cool if it wasnt so sloppily done
GFs cause memory loss my ass

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InTheEyesOfFire
03/03/20 1:22:03 PM
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pfh1001 posted...
FF6 is tops with me-- how often in any game do you actually fail to save the world?

This right here. We always have to listen to how the bbeg is going to destroy everything, and fucking Kefka actually does it. So good.

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Questionmarktarius
03/03/20 1:22:48 PM
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J03can posted...
It would have been cool if it wasnt so sloppily done
GFs cause memory loss my ass
Or, you know, if Irvine had mentioned it before flaking out.
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ChrisTaka
03/03/20 1:24:52 PM
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FFX spoiler

Tidus being dead this whole time and only being there because he's a aeon really fucked with me.

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OmegaShinkai
03/03/20 1:26:51 PM
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J03can posted...
It would have been cool if it wasnt so sloppily done
GFs cause memory loss my ass
Don't forget no one ever brings it up again for the rest of the game
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Veggeta X
03/03/20 1:29:13 PM
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FF8 is hot crap

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Questionmarktarius
03/03/20 1:30:18 PM
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FF8 biggest spoiler:
It's a neat little card game with an awful 'teen angst' JRPG bundled in
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UnfairRepresent
03/03/20 2:05:37 PM
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ChrisTaka posted...
FFX spoiler

Tidus being dead this whole time and only being there because he's a aeon really fucked with me.

erm.

Tidus isnt dead. he was always just an aeon
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philsov
03/03/20 2:11:36 PM
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4 was a soap opera by today's standards. The only members without twists are Edge, Cecil, and Rosa.

But 10 is probably the best series of twists for me. Tidus isn't really a person. The summoner dies and their final summoning becomes Sin. Sin is yo' daddy.
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Strider102
03/03/20 2:11:42 PM
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I mean, Caius being instrumental in destroying not only time but the entire universe was a pretty interesting twist.

Then he becomes the new god of death with his harem.

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ChrisTaka
03/03/20 2:44:36 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
erm.

Tidus isnt dead. he was always just an aeon

He a part of one big aeon which is Zanarkand, which was dreamed up by the fayth of the people that use to be the residents of the real Zanarkand. So yeah saying he was always dead wouldn't be quite right but him not being a real person before is still fucked.

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ApherosyLove
03/03/20 2:45:14 PM
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10s and 7s are tied for me tbh.

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SolKarellen
03/03/20 4:14:33 PM
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philsov posted...
4 was a soap opera by today's standards. The only members without twists are Edge, Cecil, and Rosa.

4 is fair for its day. You have to realize that it was the first FF game to have a plot beyond "get crystals" and has actual characters with their own personalities and arcs rather than the blank slates you had in the first three. In 1 and 3 all your characters had zero dialogue or character. It was a pretty big deal for its time.

And I've always liked the idea of Aeons in FFX basically being dream magic.

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philsov
03/03/20 4:21:42 PM
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SolKarellen posted...

4 is fair for its day. You have to realize that it was the first FF game to have a plot beyond "get crystals" and has actual characters with their own personalities and arcs rather than the blank slates you had in the first three. In 1 and 3 all your characters had zero dialogue or character. It was a pretty big deal for its time.


Yeah, but it's possible to have real characters (and not silent, custom husks) without the drama of "You thought I was dead! But here I am to aid/harm you yet again!". Dragon Warrior 4, for example. It has a good plot (for its time) and fleshed out characters with a reduced body count.
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gna647
03/03/20 4:29:21 PM
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FFX

wasnt auron a spirit the whole time or some shit like that

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Kami_no_Kami
03/03/20 4:40:22 PM
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FFX

The Fayth are just Chuunis.
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DoGCyN
03/03/20 4:42:28 PM
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MadDewg posted...
way better localization.
I'd be happy if they kept the "This guy are sick" somehow

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UnfairRepresent
03/03/20 5:18:47 PM
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ChrisTaka posted...


He a part of one big aeon which is Zanarkand, which was dreamed up by the fayth of the people that use to be the residents of the real Zanarkand. So yeah saying he was always dead wouldn't be quite right but him not being a real person before is still fucked.

Hes just as 'real' as anyone else
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tiornys
03/03/20 5:53:42 PM
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gna647 posted...
FFX

wasnt auron a spirit the whole time or some shit like that
Yes.

I agree with X having my favorite twists in the series, though I do like the twist in VIII too.
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Shotgunnova
03/03/20 5:54:05 PM
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Easily one of the dumber twists ever recorded. Not quite as bad as "it was all a dream" or "an autistic kid imagined everything," but pretty bad.

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Questionmarktarius
03/03/20 6:01:04 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Not quite as bad as "it was all a dream" or "an autistic kid imagined everything," but pretty bad.
Super Mario Bros 2 is plausibly both of those.
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DevsBro
03/03/20 6:08:44 PM
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Literally all of them

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FL81
03/03/20 6:11:10 PM
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FF4 with its asspull spaghetti plotlines and only introducing the real villain at the very end

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Bad_Mojo
03/03/20 6:11:32 PM
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Best twist, for me, is the one in FFT. Dont know how to spoil tag, but HE became king?!

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DevsBro
03/03/20 6:16:31 PM
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DoGCyN posted...
I'd be happy if they kept the "This guy are sick" somehow
Hell, I'll be mad if they don't.

They should even turn it into a full scene.

Aerif: "This guy are sick."
Barrett: *chuckle* "He are?"
Aerif: "Yes. He has been for a long time."
Barrett: "... He... are...?"
Aerif: "You don't believe me?"
Barrett: "Uh... no, I do, it's just..."
Aerif: ???
Barrett: "Well, uh... We better get going."
Aerif: *shrugs*

And yes, I'm aware this would require them to move this part to later in the story.

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garan
03/03/20 6:26:13 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Literally all of them


Pretty much this, I'd put 6, 7, & X all ahead of 8-- and I'm one of those people who didn't loathe the memory twist in 8.
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Tyranthraxus
03/03/20 6:28:08 PM
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mach25687 posted...
Still like the theory on FF8 that the rest of the game after Edea stab Squall was a death dream.

That's officially discredited along with the theory that Rinoa and Ultimecia are the same person.

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DevsBro
03/03/20 6:29:07 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That's officially discredited along with the theory that Rinoa and Ultimecia are the same person.
Not to mention it's pretty dumb for a fan theory to have as evidence pretty much exclusively "because the story sucked."

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Reis
03/03/20 6:50:59 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Best twist, for me, is the one in FFT. Dont know how to spoil tag, but HE became king?!

that's not even a twist, shut the fuck up

who the fuck else would have became king with everyone else dropping like flies
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Tyranthraxus
03/03/20 6:52:31 PM
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Reis posted...
that's not even a twist, shut the fuck up

who the fuck else would have became king with everyone else dropping like flies

The games introduction Literally says he's the hero of the war of the Lions and became King.

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Zeeak4444
03/03/20 6:57:50 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Not to mention it's pretty dumb for a fan theory to have as evidence pretty much exclusively "because the story sucked."

theres a lot more going for squall is dead then just a shirt story.

like the dramatic change in Rionas personality.

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DevsBro
03/03/20 6:59:47 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
theres a lot more going for squall is dead then just a shirt story.

like the dramatic change in Rionas personality.
No there isn't. I' ve read the whole website and pretty much every argument the dude makes is "because the plot sucks and this makes more sense," peppered with little bits of the dude just not knowing how things like imagery and character development work.

The only argument he makes that is even a little interesting is the part where he notes that Squall heals immediately with no scar or anything. Which is actually never addressed or followed up on.

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Guerrilla Soldier
03/03/20 7:00:53 PM
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Reis posted...
how in the fuck can anyone think this a good a twist


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Zeeak4444
03/03/20 7:05:52 PM
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DevsBro posted...
No there isn't. I' ve read the whole website and pretty much every argument the dude makes is "because the plot sucks and this makes more sense," peppered with little bits of the dude just not knowing how things like imagery and character development work.

The only argument he makes that is even a little interesting is the part where he notes that Squall heals immediately with no scar or anything. Which is actually never addressed or followed up on.

what website? Id be curious to read it but I never knew there was a blog on it or anything.

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