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UnfairRepresent 03/10/20 6:29:21 PM #1:	Legislators in Alabama are on the precipice of going where no state has gone in a campaign to write the rules of the road on transgender identity: banning the surgery and hormone blockers for youths. On Thursday, state senators voted overwhelmingly, 22-3, to approve a bill introduced by Sen. Shay Shelnutt, Trussville Republican, that would make it a felony for doctors and other medical providers to prescribe hormone blockers or surgeries for minors seeking to treat gender dysphoria. I just dont think, and others dont think, that kids should be given experimental drugs or surgeries that could have irreversible consequences for the rest of their life, Mr. Shelnutt told reporters in Alabama. Kids are not fully developed until later in life. I think we can all agree that kids arent capable of making certain decisions until certain ages. And so we want to just stop these procedures from happening in Alabama. The bill, titled the Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act, now heads to the states House of Representatives, which passed a similar bill this session. Opponents say the legislation closes down a type of necessary health care for transgender children. In a combative exchange, state Sen. Vivian Davis Figures, Mobile Democrat, pressed Mr. Shelnutt on how many children have sought gender transition surgery, suggesting the number is small. Mr. Shelnutt said he did not know the number. You should at least have the facts and figures to back up what youre trying to do, Ms. Figures said. Mr. Shelnutt responded that one was too many, according to press reports. Since 2016 and the days of the bathroom bills in North Carolina, which prompted massive protests from the NCAA, PayPal and others and cost the state an estimated $3 billion in economic activity, transgender-specific bills have been rare across the nation. This year, a dozen bills restricting minors access to medical treatment for gender therapy and criminalizing doctors who provide it have been introduced in states such as Oklahoma, West Virginia and Ohio. The bills, introduced by Republicans, all carry vaguely similar names, such as the Protect Minors From Mutilation and Sterilization Act in Colorado to Kentuckys Act Related to Public Protection. But wins have been few if invisible. Last month, legislators in a Senate committee in South Dakota defeated House Bill 1057, an act to prevent certain acts against children, that would have found doctors criminally liable for administering drugs or surgeries to change a minors sex. The states conservative governor, Kristi Noem, signaled lukewarm support for the measure, referencing fears of government overreach into family issues. When you take public policy and try to fill parenting gaps with more government, you have to be very careful about the precedent youre setting, Ms. Noem told reporters. The campaign to ban sex-reassignment procedures for minors has paled in comparison with work by LGBTQ advocates to pass bills in cities such as Duluth, Minnesota, and states including Virginia banning conversion therapy designed to change a persons sexuality or gender identification. Such bans suggest that momentum rests with those who would normalize transgender identity in the broader culture. But some cultural conservatives hope Alabamas bill Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, has not revealed whether she would sign it will signal a win their side hasnt seen since public outcry over the Obama administration sent a notice to public school administrators encouraging bathroom policy be based on a students gender preference. Success on major non-discrimination legislation seems likely, but so does a resurgence of anti-transgender legislation, this time targeting trans student athletes and attempting to deny transgender children best-practice medical care, the Human Rights Campaign said in its State Equality Index. Critics say such procedures including hormone blockers and surgeries are rare in minors and preventing access to needed health care can endanger children and lead to depression or suicide. A study from the American Academy of Pediatrics shows that more than half of transgender male teens attempted suicide in their lifetime. Many states, including California, bar transgender people from strictures on access to medical care, says the American Medical Association. Such barriers, they say, can lead to health complications. Patients who receive gender-affirming care, including surgical care, feel more congruent in their bodies and report improved mental health, the AMA says. But the Alabama bill has galvanized those who say a public stricture on such procedures on minors would prevent children from making irreversible alterations to their bodies. Upon introduction of a similar measure in the Alabama House, Rep. Wes Allen, Troy Republican, said hormone blockers have never been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use on children to treat gender dysphoria. I was shocked when I found out doctors in Alabama were prescribing these types of drugs to children, Mr. Allen said in a statement. This is something you hear about happening in California or New York but it is happening right here in Alabama and its time we put a stop to that practice. Legislators in Alabama also are debating whether to ban some transgender athletes from participating in high school sports, creating something of a double-whammy for the states LGBTQ community. Rainbow Mobile issued a statement Thursday saying staff were saddened and disappointed that here in Alabama legislators have chosen to get on the current national bandwagon of denial of science toward one of the most marginalized communities in our nation and state, transgender youth. Full Article: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/8/alabama-republicans-seek-transgender-surgery-ban-t/ https://i.imgur.com/gUKav3a.jpg Guess they like big government now. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935499137] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Legislators in Alabama are on the precipice of going where no state has gone in a campaign to write the rules of the road on transgender identity: banning the surgery and hormone blockers for youths. On Thursday, state senators voted overwhelmingly, 22-3, to approve a bill introduced by Sen. Shay Shelnutt, Trussville Republican, that would make it a felony for doctors and other medical providers to prescribe hormone blockers or surgeries for minors seeking to treat gender dysphoria. I just dont think, and others dont think, that kids should be given experimental drugs or surgeries that could have irreversible consequences for the rest of their life, Mr. Shelnutt told reporters in Alabama. Kids are not fully developed until later in life. I think we can all agree that kids arent capable of making certain decisions until certain ages. And so we want to just stop these procedures from happening in Alabama. The bill, titled the Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act, now heads to the states House of Representatives, which passed a similar bill this session. Opponents say the legislation closes down a type of necessary health care for transgender children. In a combative exchange, state Sen. Vivian Davis Figures, Mobile Democrat, pressed Mr. Shelnutt on how many children have sought gender transition surgery, suggesting the number is small. Mr. Shelnutt said he did not know the number. You should at least have the facts and figures to back up what youre trying to do, Ms. Figures said. Mr. Shelnutt responded that one was too many, according to press reports. Since 2016 and the days of the bathroom bills in North Carolina, which prompted massive protests from the NCAA, PayPal and others and cost the state an estimated $3 billion in economic activity, transgender-specific bills have been rare across the nation. This year, a dozen bills restricting minors access to medical treatment for gender therapy and criminalizing doctors who provide it have been introduced in states such as Oklahoma, West Virginia and Ohio. The bills, introduced by Republicans, all carry vaguely similar names, such as the Protect Minors From Mutilation and Sterilization Act in Colorado to Kentuckys Act Related to Public Protection. But wins have been few if invisible. Last month, legislators in a Senate committee in South Dakota defeated House Bill 1057, an act to prevent certain acts against children, that would have found doctors criminally liable for administering drugs or surgeries to change a minors sex. The states conservative governor, Kristi Noem, signaled lukewarm support for the measure, referencing fears of government overreach into family issues. When you take public policy and try to fill parenting gaps with more government, you have to be very careful about the precedent youre setting, Ms. Noem told reporters. The campaign to ban sex-reassignment procedures for minors has paled in comparison with work by LGBTQ advocates to pass bills in cities such as Duluth, Minnesota, and states including Virginia banning conversion therapy designed to change a persons sexuality or gender identification. Such bans suggest that momentum rests with those who would normalize transgender identity in the broader culture. But some cultural conservatives hope Alabamas bill Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, has not revealed whether she would sign it will signal a win their side hasnt seen since public outcry over the Obama administration sent a notice to public school administrators encouraging bathroom policy be based on a students gender preference. Success on major non-discrimination legislation seems likely, but so does a resurgence of anti-transgender legislation, this time targeting trans student athletes and attempting to deny transgender children best-practice medical care, the Human Rights Campaign said in its State Equality Index. Critics say such procedures including hormone blockers and surgeries are rare in minors and preventing access to needed health care can endanger children and lead to depression or suicide. A study from the American Academy of Pediatrics shows that more than half of transgender male teens attempted suicide in their lifetime. Many states, including California, bar transgender people from strictures on access to medical care, says the American Medical Association. Such barriers, they say, can lead to health complications. Patients who receive gender-affirming care, including surgical care, feel more congruent in their bodies and report improved mental health, the AMA says. But the Alabama bill has galvanized those who say a public stricture on such procedures on minors would prevent children from making irreversible alterations to their bodies. Upon introduction of a similar measure in the Alabama House, Rep. Wes Allen, Troy Republican, said hormone blockers have never been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use on children to treat gender dysphoria. I was shocked when I found out doctors in Alabama were prescribing these types of drugs to children, Mr. Allen said in a statement. This is something you hear about happening in California or New York but it is happening right here in Alabama and its time we put a stop to that practice. Legislators in Alabama also are debating whether to ban some transgender athletes from participating in high school sports, creating something of a double-whammy for the states LGBTQ community. Rainbow Mobile issued a statement Thursday saying staff were saddened and disappointed that here in Alabama legislators have chosen to get on the current national bandwagon of denial of science toward one of the most marginalized communities in our nation and state, transgender youth. Full Article: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/8/alabama-republicans-seek-transgender-surgery-ban-t/ https://i.imgur.com/gUKav3a.jpg Guess they like big government now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
inloveanddeath0 03/10/20 6:30:01 PM #2:	Is that pic even related? --- http://www.last.fm/user/PolarPolaroids <cite>inloveanddeath0 posted [p:935499158] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Is that pic even related? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:30:44 PM #4:	Government so small it fits in your doctor coat. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935499192] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Government so small it fits in your doctor coat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DanHaren2019 03/10/20 6:32:16 PM #5:	While I agree with the philosophy, I disagree with the governments role in this <cite>DanHaren2019 posted [p:935499239] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>While I agree with the philosophy, I disagree with the governments role in this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 03/10/20 6:33:22 PM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... I just dont think, and others dont think, that kids should be given experimental drugs or surgeries that could have irreversible consequences for the rest of their life, Mr. Shelnutt told reporters in Alabama. Kids are not fully developed until later in life. I think we can all agree that kids arent capable of making certain decisions until certain ages. And so we want to just stop these procedures from happening in Alabama. This is fair. I agree wholeheartedly. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:935499285] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I just dont think, and others dont think, that kids should be given experimental drugs or surgeries that could have irreversible consequences for the rest of their life, Mr. Shelnutt told reporters in Alabama. Kids are not fully developed until later in life. I think we can all agree that kids arent capable of making certain decisions until certain ages. And so we want to just stop these procedures from happening in Alabama.</quote> This is fair. I agree wholeheartedly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/10/20 6:34:12 PM #7:	Being trans isn't a decision --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:935499322] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Being trans isn't a decision</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:35:13 PM #8:	Vicious_Dios posted... This is fair. I agree wholeheartedly. Where did you study? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935499352] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted... </cite> <quote>This is fair. I agree wholeheartedly.</quote>Where did you study? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/10/20 6:35:55 PM #9:	Vicious_Dios posted... This is fair. I agree wholeheartedly. Are you opposed to child circumcision? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935499383] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Vicious_Dios posted...</cite> <quote> This is fair. I agree wholeheartedly. </quote> Are you opposed to child circumcision?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:36:02 PM #10:	Antifar posted... Being trans isn't a decision Correct.Whether you go and get surgery or fuck with your hormones is. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499389] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Being trans isn't a decision</quote>Correct.Whether you go and get surgery or fuck with your hormones is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:36:43 PM #11:	UnfairRepresent posted... Are you opposed to child circumcision? Doesn't fuck with hormones or have any long-term complications. Is cutting skin off the body. The mind is a whole different animal, any doctor will tell yoy. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499415] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Are you opposed to child circumcision?</quote>Doesn't fuck with hormones or have any long-term complications. Is cutting skin off the body. The mind is a whole different animal, any doctor will tell yoy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 03/10/20 6:37:19 PM #13:	Alabama gon Alabama --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:935499439] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Alabama gon Alabama </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/10/20 6:37:30 PM #14:	Antifar posted... Being trans isn't a decision For 90 percent of 'trans' youth, it literally is. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:935499449] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Being trans isn't a decision</quote>For 90 percent of 'trans' youth, it literally is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:37:55 PM #15:	shockthemonkey posted... Would you advocate that underage cancer patients cant receive treatment also? Define "treatment"? Homeotherapy? Eastern medicine? Chemotherapy? --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499461] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Would you advocate that underage cancer patients cant receive treatment also?</quote>Define "treatment"? Homeotherapy? Eastern medicine? Chemotherapy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lil_GoodOlJr_69 03/10/20 6:38:18 PM #16:	shockthemonkey posted... Would you advocate that underage cancer patients cant receive treatment also? Id advocate that all underage transgender funding be routed to underage cancer patients Argue your way out of that <cite>lil_GoodOlJr_69 posted [p:935499476] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote> Would you advocate that underage cancer patients cant receive treatment also? </quote> Id advocate that all underage transgender funding be routed to underage cancer patients Argue your way out of that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AFrench2 03/10/20 6:39:42 PM #20:	Define it... ?? --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499537] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Define it... ?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 03/10/20 6:39:54 PM #21:	I got nuthin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrimMyOoEDA <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:935499555] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>I got nuthin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrimMyOoEDA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cowthief 03/10/20 6:40:46 PM #22:	Oh boy it's another topic where half of CE ends up warned or suspended --- There is no success like excess! <cite>Cowthief posted [p:935499596] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Oh boy it's another topic where half of CE ends up warned or suspended </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:40:53 PM #23:	darkjedilink posted... For 90 percent of 'trans' youth, it literally is. Are 90% of this 'trans' youth you speak off getting confirmation surgery. You do know there is a long process to figure out if someone even needs or should desire surgery, right? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935499599] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote>For 90 percent of 'trans' youth, it literally is.</quote>Are 90% of this 'trans' youth you speak off getting confirmation surgery. You do know there is a long process to figure out if someone even needs or should desire surgery, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/10/20 6:41:28 PM #24:	AFrench2 posted... Doesn't fuck with hormones or have any long-term complications. Is cutting skin off the body. Ah what a surprise, you switched horses Also it does have long term complications. You can't pick and choose on permanent surgeries on kids. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935499631] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>AFrench2 posted...</cite> <quote> Doesn't fuck with hormones or have any long-term complications. Is cutting skin off the body. </quote> Ah what a surprise, you switched horses Also it does have long term complications. You can't pick and choose on permanent surgeries on kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 03/10/20 6:41:49 PM #25:	Cowthief posted... Oh boy it's another topic where half of CE ends up warned or suspended Yup, just for having a different belief and opinion. Cest la vie. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:935499647] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Cowthief posted... </cite> <quote>Oh boy it's another topic where half of CE ends up warned or suspended</quote> Yup, just for having a different belief and opinion. Cest la vie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:42:16 PM #26:	Chemotherapy is poison, is at best "slightly above useless" and will bankrupt a family. It is hard for me to say yes I would advocate for this 'treatment' to my son/daughter. I just...I dunno Now, psycho therapy to cope with the cancer, and diet changes/living changes, I would absolutely support and advocate to my son/daughter. Yes. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499667] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Chemotherapy is poison, is at best "slightly above useless" and will bankrupt a family. It is hard for me to say yes I would advocate for this 'treatment' to my son/daughter. I just...I dunno Now, psycho therapy to cope with the cancer, and diet changes/living changes, I would absolutely support and advocate to my son/daughter. Yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/10/20 6:42:17 PM #27:	hockeybub89 posted... Are 90% of this 'trans' youth you speak off getting confirmation surgery. You do know there is a long process to figure out if someone even needs or should desire surgery, right? No, they aren't - that 90% figure are those that literally stop being trans just by going through natural puberty, which is literally why kids cannot be trans. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:935499671] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Are 90% of this 'trans' youth you speak off getting confirmation surgery. You do know there is a long process to figure out if someone even needs or should desire surgery, right?</quote>No, they aren't - that 90% figure are those that literally stop being trans just by going through natural puberty, which is literally why kids cannot be trans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:43:13 PM #28:	UnfairRepresent posted... Ah what a surprise, you switched horses Also it does have long term complications. You can't pick and choose on permanent surgeries on kids. Yeah? Name 1. I certainly can pick and choose. And stop calling circumsicion a surgery. It's cosmetic at best. Stop being weird. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499711] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Ah what a surprise, you switched horses Also it does have long term complications. You can't pick and choose on permanent surgeries on kids.</quote>Yeah? Name 1. I certainly can pick and choose. And stop calling circumsicion a surgery. It's cosmetic at best. Stop being weird. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:43:21 PM #30:	Personally, I think we shouldn't let children seek any care and then they can choose to have diseases and conditions when they turn 18, if nature chose them to live. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935499718] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Personally, I think we shouldn't let children seek any care and then they can choose to have diseases and conditions when they turn 18, if nature chose them to live. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cornmuffins 03/10/20 6:43:25 PM #31:	darkjedilink posted... No, they aren't - that 90% figure are those that literally stop being trans just by going through natural puberty, which is literally why kids cannot be trans. huh --- Getting C's and D's, saying thanks and please. You broke the golden rule, you're staying after school. <cite>Cornmuffins posted [p:935499721] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> No, they aren't - that 90% figure are those that literally stop being trans just by going through natural puberty, which is literally why kids cannot be trans. </quote> huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:44:32 PM #32:	AFrench2 posted... Yeah? Name 1. I certainly can pick and choose. And stop calling circumsicion a surgery. It's cosmetic at best. Stop being weird. "Children shouldn't get cosmetic surgery" "Circumcising newborns is ok because it's just cosmetic" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935499776] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>AFrench2 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah? Name 1. I certainly can pick and choose. And stop calling circumsicion a surgery. It's cosmetic at best. Stop being weird.</quote>"Children shouldn't get cosmetic surgery" "Circumcising newborns is ok because it's just cosmetic" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:45:36 PM #33:	I'm confused by what you just posted. Who are you quoting in #1 and who are you quoting in #2? --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499811] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>I'm confused by what you just posted. Who are you quoting in #1 and who are you quoting in #2? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lil_GoodOlJr_69 03/10/20 6:45:44 PM #34:	hockeybub89 posted... "Children shouldn't get cosmetic surgery" "Circumcising newborns is ok because it's just cosmetic" Fuck Lets not get into this debate ffs <cite>lil_GoodOlJr_69 posted [p:935499818] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> "Children shouldn't get cosmetic surgery" "Circumcising newborns is ok because it's just cosmetic" </quote> Fuck Lets not get into this debate ffs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:45:51 PM #35:	Also, name the damned 1 complication like I asked. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499824] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Also, name the damned 1 complication like I asked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 03/10/20 6:46:16 PM #37:	hockeybub89 posted... "Children shouldn't get cosmetic surgery" "Circumcising newborns is ok because it's just cosmetic" Yeah I'm not following that logic at all... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935499844] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> "Children shouldn't get cosmetic surgery" "Circumcising newborns is ok because it's just cosmetic" </quote> Yeah I'm not following that logic at all...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:47:40 PM #38:	shockthemonkey posted... And this is why doctors should be in charge of medical issues rather than legislators and their constituents What do you mean? Doctors will tell you chemotherapy is barely above "useless" and will poison you and can also kill you. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935499913] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>And this is why doctors should be in charge of medical issues rather than legislators and their constituents</quote>What do you mean? Doctors will tell you chemotherapy is barely above "useless" and will poison you and can also kill you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:47:52 PM #39:	darkjedilink posted... No, they aren't - that 90% figure are those that literally stop being trans just by going through natural puberty, which is literally why kids cannot be trans. So 90% of them wound up not actually being trans and thus did not pursue surgery. Thank you for agreeing with me. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935499917] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote>No, they aren't - that 90% figure are those that literally stop being trans just by going through natural puberty, which is literally why kids cannot be trans.</quote>So 90% of them wound up not actually being trans and thus did not pursue surgery. Thank you for agreeing with me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/10/20 6:49:25 PM #40:	hockeybub89 posted... So 90% of them wound up not actually being trans and thus did not pursue surgery. Thank you for agreeing with me. That only happened because they didn't get chemically castrated via hormone blockers, which you seem to approve of. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:935499991] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>So 90% of them wound up not actually being trans and thus did not pursue surgery. Thank you for agreeing with me.</quote>That only happened because they didn't get chemically castrated via hormone blockers, which you seem to approve of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:50:31 PM #41:	AFrench2 posted... What do you mean? Doctors will tell you chemotherapy is barely above "useless" and will poison you and can also kill you. Looking beyond chemo, should children receive any serious, potentially permanently altering medical treatment as children? Or should we kill them with homeopathy instead? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935500044] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>AFrench2 posted... </cite> <quote>What do you mean? Doctors will tell you chemotherapy is barely above "useless" and will poison you and can also kill you.</quote> Looking beyond chemo, should children receive any serious, potentially permanently altering medical treatment as children? Or should we kill them with homeopathy instead? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:51:14 PM #42:	darkjedilink posted... That only happened because they didn't get chemically castrated via hormone blockers, which you seem to approve of. Are you just smashing your face into the keyboard? Do you know why they didn't go on blockers? Because they were determined to not need them? By who? Fucking doctors! Transition is a long and selective process. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935500071] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote>That only happened because they didn't get chemically castrated via hormone blockers, which you seem to approve of.</quote>Are you just smashing your face into the keyboard? Do you know why they didn't go on blockers? Because they were determined to not need them? By who? Fucking doctors! Transition is a long and selective process. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:52:11 PM #43:	You wouldn't "kill" them with homeopathy. Do you kill a kid if you don't get them vaccinated as their parent? By extension, are all Jehova's Witnesses possibly guilty of killing their kids? They don't vaccinate. --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935500108] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>You wouldn't "kill" them with homeopathy. Do you kill a kid if you don't get them vaccinated as their parent? By extension, are all Jehova's Witnesses possibly guilty of killing their kids? They don't vaccinate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 03/10/20 6:52:43 PM #44:	"alabama alabamas harder than alabama has ever alabama'd before..." --- https://talktotransformer.com The Internet is kind of the whole ****ing Internet. <cite>Machete posted [p:935500130] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>"alabama alabamas harder than alabama has ever alabama'd before..." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/10/20 6:53:34 PM #45:	AFrench2 posted... You wouldn't "kill" them with homeopathy. Do you kill a kid if you don't get them vaccinated as their parent? By extension, are all Jehova's Witnesses possibly guilty of killing their kids? They don't vaccinate. If your kid dies from a disease they wouldn't have gotten because you chose not to vaccinate them, yes, you killed them. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:935500163] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>AFrench2 posted... </cite> <quote>You wouldn't "kill" them with homeopathy. Do you kill a kid if you don't get them vaccinated as their parent? By extension, are all Jehova's Witnesses possibly guilty of killing their kids? They don't vaccinate.</quote>If your kid dies from a disease they wouldn't have gotten because you chose not to vaccinate them, yes, you killed them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 03/10/20 6:54:17 PM #47:	AFrench2 posted... You wouldn't "kill" them with homeopathy. Do you kill a kid if you don't get them vaccinated as their parent? By extension, are all Jehova's Witnesses possibly guilty of killing their kids? They don't vaccinate. They killed them if they die. I hate those abusive fucks. They should all lose custody of their children. And they do more than just not vaccinate. Answer the question. Should children receive actual medical treatment as children? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:935500206] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>AFrench2 posted... </cite> <quote>You wouldn't "kill" them with homeopathy. Do you kill a kid if you don't get them vaccinated as their parent? By extension, are all Jehova's Witnesses possibly guilty of killing their kids? They don't vaccinate.</quote>They killed them if they die. I hate those abusive fucks. They should all lose custody of their children. And they do more than just not vaccinate. Answer the question. Should children receive actual medical treatment as children? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 03/10/20 6:54:26 PM #48:	Holy shit, is this actually about to turn into a thread about somebody arguing that children shouldn't get any kind of major medical care until they're 18? <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:935500214] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>Holy shit, is this actually about to turn into a thread about somebody arguing that children shouldn't get any kind of major medical care until they're 18? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/10/20 6:55:27 PM #50:	hockeybub89 posted... Are you just smashing your face into the keyboard? Do you know why they didn't go on blockers? Because they were determined to not need them? By who? Fucking doctors! Transition is a long and selective process. You do know that Britain's NHS is being sued RIGHT NOW because of how wrong you are, right? That studies suggest that as many as a third of children being put on hormone blockers aren't actually trans, but autistic? 'Long and selective process,' my ass. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:935500267] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Are you just smashing your face into the keyboard? Do you know why they didn't go on blockers? Because they were determined to not need them? By who? Fucking doctors! Transition is a long and selective process.</quote>You do know that Britain's NHS is being sued RIGHT NOW because of how wrong you are, right? That studies suggest that as many as a third of children being put on hormone blockers aren't actually trans, but autistic? 'Long and selective process,' my ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AFrench2 03/10/20 6:55:47 PM #51:	darkjedilink posted... If your kid dies from a disease they wouldn't have gotten because you chose not to vaccinate them, yes, you killed them. But it's not a requirement in the US to vaccinate your kids...so that's what I am asking. So as a society we're just kinda cool with that? Kids falling over dead because their parents didn't vaccinate? Because getting chemotherapy for your kid is going to potentially kill them. So...are you killing them by forcing them into treatment under 18? --- Ohh boy <cite>AFrench2 posted [p:935500284] in Alabama to... [t:78463642]...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink posted... </cite> <quote>If your kid dies from a disease they wouldn't have gotten because you chose not to vaccinate them, yes, you killed them.</quote>But it's not a requirement in the US to vaccinate your kids...so that's what I am asking. So as a society we're just kinda cool with that? Kids falling over dead because their parents didn't vaccinate? Because getting chemotherapy for your kid is going to potentially kill them. So...are you killing them by forcing them into treatment under 18? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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