Current Events > LGBT Furious as hospitals deem transgender surgeries non essential under corona.

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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 6:39:19 AM
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As Hospitals Prepare for COVID-19, Life-Saving Trans Surgeries Are Delayed

Though medical facilities may soon become overtaxed for everyone, the coronavirus pandemic has shed light on how transgender people's care can be treated as "non-essential."

This underscores a common experience amongst trans people seeking medical care or surgery: Research has suggested that gender-affirming surgery, in particular, has a notable and long-term impact on mental health, but far too often, trans people already wait far longer than is safe or healthy for this care. Further delays can be dangerous and even life-threatening.

Violet Jones, a 29-year-old trans woman and assistant professor in New York, has a procedure scheduled for May that hasnt been cancelled yet, but she feels it's imminent. NYC is a national leader in transgender care, but Mayor Bill de Blasio has issued an executive order delaying all non-emergency surgery for the next few weeks

Jones said shes doing everything possible to prevent illness, which would force postponing her procedure. A change to the date would pretty radically alter my plans and overall security around the procedure. The surgery was scheduled to allow recovery during [my schools] summer months without a gap in pay. She said that rescheduling may result in lost pay, as her recovery from surgery would conflict with the school year

These cancellations and postponements are taking place as medical systems across the U.S. are facing a shortage of supplies and beds. Hospitals are discharging patients faster than usual, and systems have quickly moved to postpone any non-urgent proceduresto free up space. In the U.K., the National Health Service has moved to postpone all non-urgent surgery for at least three months. For trans people, this includes planned gender-affirming procedures. Patients whose procedures are just weeks away are still waiting to find out if theyll happen as planned

Riley Cooper, a 23-year-old trans man in St. Louis, had his top surgerypostponed, with no reschedule date. He says COVID-19 was the reason behind this cancellation, but it isnt the first time. This is the third time its been postponed. Its getting more and more heartbreaking to keep getting so close to something that will make me feel better and feel like I'm in the right body for once, he said. Every time I feel like I've gotten close, something has to come along to take it away.

Even in relatively normal circumstances when it comes to public health, gender-affirming care comes with long waitlists due to limited research and specialists, and patients often face an uphill battle in fighting insurance companies and doctors to receive care in the first place. Despite the American Medical Association, and increasingly, insurance companies, recognizing treatment for gender dysphoria as medically necessary, trans people often go through an enormous amount of stress, physical preparation, and administrative red tape to have procedures approved

Many trans patients already battle with insurance companies over which procedures are considered medically necessary, and health providers often use words such as cosmetic or elective to deny coverage, language that is mirrored by those unfamiliarwith trans care in ways that can be hurtful. In strictly medical terms, elective surgery doesnt just encompass cosmetic procedures, but includes anything non-emergent, even surgery for tumors and leaky heart valves. Many gender-related surgeries also fall under this category. Doctors and patients obviously want any necessary procedure performed, but currently, the idea is that they are not immediately life-threatening, and limited space in hospitals could be better used for patients affected by COVID-19

Joshua Safer, Executive Director at Mount Sinais Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery, told VICE that all gender-related surgeries are postponed for at least the next two weeks at the New York City hospital where he works. In light of the difficult circumstances due to COVID-19, the Mount Sinai Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery has taken the extraordinary but necessary steps of postponing all non-emergent gender-affirming surgeries," Safer said. "This will protect our transgender and non-binary patients from the risk of transmission of COVID-19 while at the hospital, and will allow the hospital the capacity to care for critically ill COVID-19 patients.

For those in recovery for recent surgery, necessary follow-up care may be in jeopardy because of COVID-19's effect on hospitals. This is true for Abigail, a 40-year-old trans woman in Wales who is currently recovering after surgery last week. She said that, immediately before her procedure, her surgeon confirmed she was aware of the risks of indirectly coming into contact with the virus during her immediate recovery period. Its an odd atmosphere. The ward is half-empty. [The nurses] know there wont be any other patients like me for a while, nor any other recipients of [non-urgent] surgery. They know coronavirus patients will be coming, but theyre not here yet.

Daniella LaGaccia, a trans woman in New York, has been recovering from her vaginoplasty for over 3 weeks, and says that social distancing has affected her and care schedule. Friends who signed up meal trains, rotating shifts for care and food preparation common during surgery recovery, have made last-minute cancellations. "The person who was supposed to bring me dinner tonight cancelled," she said. "Im dependent on my friends for caregivers, because there isn't a service directly caring for trans patients in recovery. I can't buy groceries by myself. I need someone there."

LaGaccia was rushed to the ER last week for a bleeding complication during her recovery. She received care and is back home, but says that if this had happened today, it would be difficult to find someone to assist her at home in an emergency.

LaGaccia said that a routine follow-up with her surgeon at Mount Sinai was done by sending pictures via email and a phone call with her surgeon. "They really do care about their patients, and they talked with me remotely. They do that because theyre some of the best in the world at what they do,"

Safer confirmed that staff are reaching out to patients to ensure continuity in treatment. Our team is on duty for patients with concerns that cannot be postponed including in-person post-operative care for our surgical patients, especially those who have had recent surgeries. We are also instituting some telehealth capacity to help some patients for whom that makes sense," Safer said. "As soon as it is safe to do so, all postponed surgeries and clinic appointments will be rescheduled with the highest priority. Prior to the COVID-19 outbreak, we had been making great
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pres_madagascar
03/20/20 6:40:13 AM
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03/20/20 6:56:45 AM
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008Zulu
03/20/20 7:15:17 AM
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If they have waited decades for this to happen, then they can wait a few months for the people who are at serious risk of dying, to get better.

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cuttin_in_farm
03/20/20 7:17:30 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Violet Jones, a 29-year-old trans woman and assistant professor in New York, has a procedure scheduled for May that hasnt been cancelled yet, but she feels it's imminent


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03/20/20 7:18:10 AM
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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 7:19:06 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...


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it almost certainly will be postponed
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SwaggieBelIe462
03/20/20 7:19:32 AM
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Oh damn
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thanosibe
03/20/20 7:20:18 AM
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My wife had a check up appt yesterday that was scheduled long before this started. Her doc is just doing house calls only for non essential appts to protect her staff until this blows over. Im so furious she just called and we did my wifes checkup over the phone.

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cuttin_in_farm
03/20/20 7:28:18 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
it almost certainly will be postponed

No, we dont know that. Getting upset about something that might happen is bitch-made problems.

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Noraneko_Vel
03/20/20 7:36:53 AM
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They should stop thinking their low priority optional surgeries would be more important than literally saving the lives of people dying painfully from a super infectious virus.

And her appointment didn't even get delayed yet.

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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 7:37:46 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...


No, we dont know that. Getting upset about something that might happen is bitch-made problems.

Cool

Next time I fall off a cliff I won't be worried because i don't know that I won't turn into a Pterodactyl and just fly to safety
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Kolibri X
03/20/20 7:37:49 AM
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People are dying. Very selfish.

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thanosibe
03/20/20 7:41:41 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
No, we dont know that. Getting upset about something that might happen is bitch-made problems.
lol reporting current events on current events is bitch-made problems. This board really is ceaselessly funny entertainment.

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cuttin_in_farm
03/20/20 7:47:08 AM
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thanosibe posted...
lol reporting current events on current events is bitch-made problems. This board really is ceaselessly funny entertainment.

What? It is entertaining watching you read like a toddler I guess.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Cool

Next time I fall off a cliff I won't be worried because i don't know that I won't turn into a Pterodactyl and just fly to safety

You just made an analogy by using something that physically cant happen. Pick a better one.

Because in your example, you already fell off the cliff. Thats the event.

The professor I quoted hasnt had their appointment delayed. Clearly implying the hospitals dont want to. They are waiting to determine if they can still accommodate. Only someone with no life problems is getting upset about this.

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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 7:52:39 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Because in your example, you already fell off the cliff. Thats the event.

and surgeries are being cancelled I just haven't hit the ground yet
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AFrench2
03/20/20 7:53:31 AM
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au_gold posted...
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LMAO

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cuttin_in_farm
03/20/20 7:54:20 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
and surgeries are being cancelled I just haven't hit the ground yet


You make me want to fight you lol.

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iPhone_7
03/20/20 7:57:01 AM
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008Zulu posted...
If they have waited decades for this to happen, then they can wait a few months for the people who are at serious risk of dying, to get better.
Wow, get a look at this bigot over here.

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AFrench2
03/20/20 7:59:06 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Wow, get a look at this bigot over here.
Shhh, adults are talking. Silence, cretin.

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ColdOne666
03/20/20 8:00:42 AM
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Who the hell still reads dumspter fire websites like Vice lol
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pikachupwnage
03/20/20 8:06:12 AM
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They aren't essential in the short term.

It can wait. A pandemic is going on.

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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 8:10:20 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...


You make me want to fight you lol.

You're arguing that you shouldn't be worried about a problem until it's too late.

Transgender surgeries are being delayed. This person's surgery will be delayed

And you're saying it's wrong for them to be concerned about that

It's insane.

"It's wrong to be worried about being sentenced to being shot by a firing squad until they've shot you."
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cuttin_in_farm
03/20/20 8:24:22 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"It's wrong to be worried about being sentenced to being shot by a firing squad until they've shot you."

You being sentenced is the event.

Youre bad at analogies.

You could easily just give a good one. Like say...

A serial killer is killing dog owners in the suburbs. Youre a dog owner in the suburbs. Its justified to be worried despite nothing happening to you yet.

However the person in the OP is crying about a maybe delay when the REASON for the delay is ignored. If you have the virus, and want transgender surgery, dont get upset if they prioritize the one that actually threatens your life.

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Newhopes
03/20/20 8:30:13 AM
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All I'll say is they need to grow up.
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James xeno
03/20/20 8:58:02 AM
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Cancer and other life or death surgeries and treatments are being pushed back already because of this virus, so cosmetic and other such things sure as hell better be!

And JFC *facepalm* at that "article"..... snowflake/clown era indeed. ugh

This is really just reality catching up with pompous entitlement and extremely overindulged ideological fantasies.
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thanosibe
03/20/20 9:00:17 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
What? It is entertaining watching you read like a toddler I guess.
No its entertaining seeing you misinterpret the point of this thread for a chance to stand on your soapbox and pretend its otherwise than reporting things that are going on in a worldwide pandemic so you can shit post.

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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 9:05:12 AM
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I dont even know what you guys are arguing about anymore
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Nick_Saban
03/20/20 11:35:44 AM
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People need to understand procedures are being postponed -for their safety-. It's not some evil society out to get you.

I work in a hospital and have had to call patients and explain to them that we're postponing their tests. Most are understanding but some are very upset even when explaining how some tests put you and others at a higher risk.

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JosephRogan
03/20/20 12:15:55 PM
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I don't have anything nice to say, so I won't say anything at all.
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UnfairRepresent
03/20/20 3:24:21 PM
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JosephRogan posted...
I don't have anything nice to say, so I won't say anything at all.

but you just said that
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008Zulu
03/20/20 9:21:31 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Wow, get a look at this bigot over here.
Show some compassion.

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Esrac
03/20/20 9:40:23 PM
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Sucks to suck, but I guess a global pandemic is a higher priority.
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JosephRogan
03/20/20 10:02:17 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...


but you just said that


Actually, I typed it.
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pfh1001
03/20/20 11:54:56 PM
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Fair, next.
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Jx1010
03/20/20 11:57:45 PM
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People are dying....
How.... How... can they get upset about this?!?
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Bloodmoon77
03/20/20 11:59:51 PM
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It must suck for the actual reasonable people suffering with this to be looped in with the majority of these unreasonable ones.

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DarxWingDuck
03/21/20 12:01:49 AM
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LBGT community is triggered/ offended/ upset/ angry?

NO WAY!

Who would have ever guessed such a thing.
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s0nicfan
03/21/20 12:09:47 AM
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How can you expect these poor people to calm their tits when they haven't even gotten them yet?

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Dragonblade01
03/21/20 12:51:45 AM
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Unfortunately, epidemics by their vary nature strain the healthcare system.

But at the same time, I can understand why transgender people would be frustrated when another thing undermines the importance of their procedure.
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UnfairRepresent
03/21/20 6:28:25 AM
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JosephRogan posted...


Actually, I typed it.

Said doesn't mean vocal.

If someone says "The Bible says Thou Shalt Not Kill!" and you go "Acwtually Thou shalt Not Kill was written not said!" you haven't created an atheist
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Vicious_Dios
03/21/20 7:21:26 AM
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Oh, FURIOUS, are they? Huh...

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EffectAndCause
03/21/20 7:23:50 AM
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Wheres that one SJW guy who cries about every cause and defends them?
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BathroomWater
03/21/20 7:33:23 AM
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Disingenuous title by the OP. No one in the article seems "furious" or outraged, simply upset/sad about the situation.

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UnfairRepresent
03/21/20 7:33:40 AM
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EffectAndCause posted...
Wheres that one SJW guy who cries about every cause and defends them?

Oh Shock and Rebel will be in to insult you and me over and over any minute
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Starmieketone
03/21/20 7:35:19 AM
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I have never been able to understand why some individuals find transpersons so threatening.

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MT_TRAEH
03/21/20 7:35:37 AM
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i'd like to see more of their pride parades now

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UnfairRepresent
03/21/20 7:42:08 AM
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MT_TRAEH posted...
i'd like to see more of their pride parades now

So you're saying you want them to die?
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MT_TRAEH
03/21/20 7:59:02 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
So you're saying you want them to die?
aren't their pride more important?

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