Current Events > UK man who killed robber in his home is jailed

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Ah, the UK. Where criminals have more rights than the victims and you're expected to give way to criminals.

Such complete and utter BS of a society.

He broke and entered into the victims home, anything that happens to him is fine, including death.

I could care less if he was even stabbed in the back / front, or shot in the back while fleeing.

Hell thrown knife into the back while fleeing.

Criminals have been known to come back soon after.

Plenty of cases where criminals repeatedly attack the same family soon after.

The only good criminal is a dead criminal.

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This topic is filled with the usual American murder fantasies.

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Hornezz posted...

This topic is filled with the usual American murder fantasies.

This topic has too many Victim Blaming, criminal sympathizers/condoners.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Ah, the UK. Where criminals have more rights than the victims and you're expected to give way to criminals.

Such complete and utter BS of a society.

He broke and entered into the victims home, anything that happens to him is fine, including death.

I could care less if he was even stabbed in the back / front, or shot in the back while fleeing.

Hell thrown knife into the back while fleeing.

Criminals have been known to come back soon after.

Plenty of cases where criminals repeatedly attack the same family soon after.

The only good criminal is a dead criminal.

You realise stabbing someone 17 times is also a crime, yes?

knutjob posted...

You realise stabbing someone 17 times is also a crime, yes?

Not if the person breaking into your home and is threatening you.

At that point, anything goes, and you're the victim.

Whatever happens to the assailant, it's on him.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Not if the person breaking into your home and is threatening you.

At that point, anything goes, and you're the victim.

Whatever happens to the assailant, it's on him.

That's not how it works. Self defence stops being self defence when the target is no longer a threat.

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Conflict posted...

It's honestly funny how many clueless people itt don't get that you're not entitled to someone's life the moment they intrude into your house

Yes, if you shoot or stab someone a certain amount of times in a struggle, usually a minimal amount and they still happen to die anyway, you will most likely get off the hook, because that's just self defense and trying to stop the immediate threat (and no, I'm obviously not suggesting to "aim for the kneecap") But if you know the threat is stopped and you still attack, you're not going to be let off the hook if there's evidence you still kept pursuing it

And anybody who happens to understand such a basic concept is seen as a "criminal sympathizer or condoner". Cause you know, it's totally mutually exclusive to think criminals are shitheels that don't deserve sympathy while also understanding you're supposed to be defending yourself, not going vigilante

It's funny how you want to hand tie the victims in how they preserve their existence and blame the victims for all the bad things that the criminal has coming to them when the criminals are the ones with bad intentions by assailing the victims.

But that goes to show that you care more for criminals and would rather victim blame.

If they were good people, they wouldn't be breaking & entering a persons home, premises, place of work, etc.

Good people wouldn't be assailing another human being unless in self defense.

And by that point, ANYTHING GOES to preserve your own existence, and if that means snuffing out the other life to gurantee your life, so be it.

Even if the assailant is fleeing, shooting him in the back is fair game to make sure he doesn't double back with more friends to hurt you.

There's been plenty of cases where criminals come back for more once they are successful the first time.

And sometimes with more friends to hurt you and your loved ones.

But people like you would rather give every leeway possible for the criminals and make the victims walk a tight rope just to survive.

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If you stab someone more times in the back than in the front youre going to jail.

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Hornezz posted...

That's not how it works. Self defence stops being self defence when the target is no longer a threat.

UK has garbage laws that favor criminals over the victims.

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I mean, the news article doesnt really tell us much about the circumstances.

If youre hopped up on adrenaline and fighting a home invader, then I can easily imagine 17 stabs being on the low end of the spectrum, even. I cant imagine many people in those circumstances having a good grasp on what the proper amount of stabs would be, or even able to keep count.

but if he kept chasing him as he was trying to escape then thats more gray, depending on if you fear the criminal will come back for revenge before getting arrested.

but the article doesnt get into that. >_>

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Conflict posted...

If that was true, people wouldn't be getting convicted for shooting burglars that decide to retreat

Another set of laws written by those who favor criminals instead of the victims.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

UK has garbage laws that favor criminals over the victims.

So out of interest, since you keep saying 'anything goes': where is the line exactly? Would you say it's ethical to cut a burglar's body up in pieces and decorate your house with them? Or idk, necrophilia?

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Conflict posted...

Honestly it's telling that you so badly want to be able to kill someone that's running away and no longer a threat. Doesn't paint a very good picture of ya

A lot of people in these situations don't like that it had to come down to them killing somebody, even if it was justified

I'd rather not have to kill anybody, but if they are going to invade my premises, and assault me.

The gloves are coming off, and anything goes.

You don't want bad shit to happen, then don't invade peoples premises and threaten their life.

How hard is that?

But people like you are always rooting for the criminals to win and screw the victims and blame the victims for every little thing. You're always looking to punish the victims somehow and paint the criminals in a good light.

If the criminal didn't invade a innocent persons premises and threaten their lives, he wouldn't be putting his own life in danger.

Not a difficult concept to understand.

The moment he violates that social contract, anything bad that happens to him is on his hands, not the victims.

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Hornezz posted...

So out of interest, since you keep saying 'anything goes': where is the line exactly? Would you say it's ethical to cut a burglar's body up in pieces and decorate your house with them? Or idk, necrophilia?

I say we take it back and be able to put them on display in the yard as a warning to future intruders.

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Hornezz posted...

So out of interest, since you keep saying 'anything goes': where is the line exactly? Would you say it's ethical to cut a burglar's body up in pieces and decorate your house with them? Or idk, necrophilia?

I see no limits for the victim since they aren't the ones to instigate the situation.

The criminal had the option to choose not to perform their criminal act of invasion of premises and deadly assault.

After that, it's whatever in my books.

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Conflict posted...

God damn lol. And to think this was someone Proudclad considered a "great poster"

It doesn't matter how much you keep parroting the same shit over and over. Victims don't get "screwed over" from not being able to mindlessly kill people who are no longer a threat. Lawmakers know this, that's why the law doesn't agree with you. Not here, not in the UK, not anywhere. Remove your emotions from the discussion

Or how about we fix the laws so that they get rid of your pansy restrictions that are sympathetic to criminals.

Why do the victims have to operate under a bazillion restrictions in how they can preserve their existence, but criminals will do anything they want and get away with anything if they can.

And people like you are AIDING the criminals by tying the hands of the victims with extra laws of what they Can't/Can do!?!

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SH_expert44 posted...

I say we take it back and be able to put them on display in the yard as a warning to future intruders.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

I see no limits for the victim since they aren't the ones to instigate the situation.

The criminal had the option to choose not to perform their criminal act of invasion of premises and deadly assault.

After that, it's whatever in my books.

Welp, thanks for the honest answers. My suspicion has been confirmed. Sociopathy

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Hornezz posted...

Welp, thanks for the honest answers. My suspicion has been confirmed. Sociopathy

It's not sociopathy to want to preserve your own existence. Best way to do that in a REAL Life/Death situation is to end the Intruder/Assailant.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

It's not sociopathy to want to preserve your own existence.

Preserving your existence is fine, even within the UK law. Once the target stops being a threat (incapacitated or fleeing) you're no longer preserving your existence, you're living out your murderous fantasies.

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Should have gotten one of those License to Kill like in that British movie

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SwaggieBelIe462 posted...

These countries are so backwards with self defense laws...

commonwealth countries are a fucking joke

always side with the criminal

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Hornezz posted...

Preserving your existence is fine, even within the UK law. Once the target stops being a threat (incapacitated or fleeing) you're no longer preserving your existence, you're living out your murderous fantasies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MRVnR6KI8

This Chinese woman in Atlanta was protecting her life, she shot at 3x armed home invaders, and they were fleeing.

She shot until she emptied her pistol, one of the home invaders died. Should she have to go to jail in your mind?

Yes/No?

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Conflict posted...

'Don't pursue the criminal further if they're no longer a threat' = "a bazillion restrictions"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_MRVnR6KI8

This Chinese woman in Atlanta was protecting her life, she shot at 3x armed home invaders, and they were fleeing.

She shot until she emptied her pistol, one of the home invaders died. Should she have to go to jail in your mind?

Yes/No?

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You guys shouldnt bother arguing with Conflict. Hes got a ton of people on ignore because, I suspect, he wants to live in an echo chamber that promotes Oppression Olympics-style ideology. The armed intruder, for example, is the victim by his perspective.

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If you're gonna defend yourself against intruders, better use a gun. It's an instrument meant to kill.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

You guys shouldnt bother arguing with Conflict. Hes got a ton of people on ignore because, I suspect, he wants to live in an echo chamber that promotes Oppression Olympics-style ideology. The armed intruder, for example, is the victim by his perspective.

I've long known he was a SJW, that doesn't change anything.

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LightningAce11 posted...

If you're gonna defend yourself against intruders, better use a gun. It's an instrument meant to kill.

You defend yourself with whatever you have on hand or have easy access too.

If the knife is what you have, so be it.

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Conflict posted...

I only have 35 people on ignore and a lot of people who don't agree with me aren't on it. Sorry to break it to ya buddy, I don't ignore people over different opinions. You got put on the list because you're genuinely stupid and all-around weird

That's 35 more than me since I never will ignore anybody, no matter what.

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these topics are always predictably awful. loads of angry right wingers who go to the ends of the earth to defend torture fantasies they'll thankfully never carry out

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Why is conflict being lazy and dodging, and then crying wolf

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

these topics are always predictably awful. loads of angry right wingers who go to the ends of the earth to defend torture fantasies they'll thankfully never carry out

Why are you so predictable, always coming in to champion for the criminal and victim blame?

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again, it's pretty much impossible to have any sort of good faith discussion here because you and your ilk genuinely believe that not advocating for torture porn fantasies is 'championing criminals!'

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Serious question to anyone in this topic. If someone broke into your house with you there. What would you do?

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fun fact: I once walked in on an attempted burglar in the kitchen of my parents house. he immediately jumped back out the window and i managed to chase him before tackling him out on the front garden. sadly he got up, grabbed his phone and sprinted away though. think he had somebody in a car nearby.

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

again, it's pretty much impossible to have any sort of good faith discussion here because you and your ilk genuinely believe that not advocating for torture porn fantasies is 'championing criminals!'

And you believe in punishing and restricting innocent people from defending their existence in anyway they see fit.

It's always the criminals who are the real victims in your mind.

To you, the victim is the real bad guy, all because they had their premises invaded, their life threatened; they shouldn't have any means to hurt a criminal. The victim should literally make life as easy as possible for the criminal. Might as well just sit there and die for the criminal and let them go on their merry way to commit more criminal acts in your world.

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SH_expert44 posted...

Serious question to anyone in this topic. If someone broke into your house with you there. What would you do?

End them Rightly!

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

fun fact: I once walked in on an attempted burglar in the kitchen of my parents house. he immediately jumped back out the window and i managed to chase him before tackling him out on the front garden. sadly he got up, grabbed his phone and sprinted away though. think he had somebody in a car nearby.

So you pursued him even after he was no longer a threat and actively trying to flee?

My my.

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

fun fact: I once walked in on an attempted burglar in the kitchen of my parents house. he immediately jumped back out the window and i managed to chase him before tackling him out on the front garden. sadly he got up, grabbed his phone and sprinted away though. think he had somebody in a car nearby.

You didn't end them right there when you had them on the ground or keep on chasing them?

Now your parents are at risk because they could double back later.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

It's always the criminals who are the real victims in your mind.

To you, the victim is the real bad guy, all because they had their premises invaded, their life threatened; they shouldn't have any means to hurt a criminal. The victim should literally make life as easy as possible for the criminal. Might as well just sit there and die for the criminal and let them go on their merry way to commit more criminal acts in your world.

please seek help

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