Current Events > UK man who killed robber in his home is jailed

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Rika_Furude posted...

Yeah fighting for survival is the same as shooting someone in the back... fuck off

shotting in the back...nah i think is closer to that guy who shot a robber( self defense until this point ) , reloaded and shot again while the robber was on the floor

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marc55 posted...

shotting in the back...nah i think is closer to that guy who shot a robber( self defense until this point ) , reloaded and shot again while the robber was on the floor

Still not close. Stop.

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Should have went for 30

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Hard to say if its justified or unjustified without knowing how the stabbing a took place. If they were physically fighting for three minutes on the ground, guy constantly fearing for his life, then excessive stabbing would make sense in that circumstance. If he stabbed the intruder a dozen times after he fell to the ground, that would be excessive.

Parappa09 posted...

you dont need to kill an intruder, just disable them enough so they dont rob you

Fuck that.

You enter my home and that's your ass. No pity nor mercy.

My Primary concern is protecting myself in order to protect my family. I'm not going to fiddle about trying to aim for your kneecap, 2 to the chest and 1 to the head and you're over with.

Why?

Because, I don't know if you're a lone assailant or not, and I can't have them crawling like a crab waiting to get the jump on me while his buttbuddy serves as a distraction.


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you break into someones home and threaten to murder them you get whats coming to you

BathroomWater posted...

Actually the law that jailed this man was written by a conservative legislator.

maybe UK is different but in America, conservative states are the ones that tend to have castle doctrine type laws compared to heavy liberal states that have nonsense like "you must prove you retreated before you shoot an intruder"

So maybe this one law was an exception or maybe Uk is just different. but that is what I was basing this off of.

marc55 posted...

it is 17 stabs makes me think he knew him before he tried to rob him

when i read just the topic tittle i thought it was unfair ....but after reading the 17 times part it probably it isnt

People can survive multiple stabs. If there's still a chance he could do something then fuck that take his ass out. Better safe than sorry

Edit: And you dont know what's happening. There could be more people, they could be on something that makes them super strong and resistant to pain, or you could think they're done and they just pop back up. Maybe they try to run and get help and come back. You. Don't. Know.

Better to end it and make sure it's done.

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This is the same country that only gave a rapist who tortured and ripped a womans face off 12 years.
https://metro.co.uk/2017/02/28/rapist-ripped-womans-face-from-her-skull-during-horrific-attack-6479286/
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Should have been able to shoot him a few times but he lives in a country that claims the police will be able to protect your life better than yourself. As it stands, I don't care if he stabbed him until he stopped moving and I could easily see that not happening until 17 stabs.

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I mean in the countey I live in one of the ministers said if someone breaks into your home you leave your home behind....

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Anyone thinking 17 times is "too much" has clearly never had an elevated heart rate due to a situation that's out of their control and makes them fearful of something.

Hell, I'd say they have never had an elevated heart rate at all.

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Colonel_Snitsky posted...

I mean in the countey I live in one of the ministers said if someone breaks into your home you leave your home behind....

That's some bull!

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I've been stabbed

I've been in life or death situations.

There is no reason to stab someone 17 times who is already incapicated. Emotions is an excuse.

I mean maybe a small child can get away with that but an adult can't.

Emotions? Most people would be operating on instinct. Crying is for after, indeed the the worst thing you could do is get emotional. The multiple stabs likely didnt even involve conscious thought. Your claim is sounding dubious.

Ima press x to doubt here. I really can't see a survivor of a deadly incident taking a one-size-fits-all approach to them. Also, I dont recall the article stating the attacker was already incapacitated when the stabbing began, where does the article say any of that?

Let's take that same presumption you made and apply it to your story now! And . . . Stop running with scissors, it's dangerous. Also, of course stabbing yourself with scissors doesnt justify retaliation, that's just silly.

17 is nothing in a straight up fight for your life. Your attacker doesn't just stop after the first strike. Hell I'd put money that the guy didn't even feel the first couple, and was still posing a threat.

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In the heat of the moment, when youre scared and the adrenaline is pumping, some people wont stop until the other person is not moving anymore.

Only thing suspect to me is, someone said he slit the guys throat. Now THAT is deliberate and a whole different beast. Thats not a scared dude frantically stabbing away, thats an execution.

And UK continues to be trash.

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What a cucked kingdom.

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Guy should have gotten a medal instead

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

I'd have stabbed an intruder 70 times

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Keith_Valentine posted...

In the heat of the moment, when youre scared and the adrenaline is pumping, some people wont stop until the other person is not moving anymore.

Only thing suspect to me is, someone said he slit the guys throat. Now THAT is deliberate and a whole different beast. Thats not a scared dude frantically stabbing away, thats an execution.

CE spin. One of the stabs pierced a neck artery. Whoever made the claim clearly spun it as a "slitting" on purpose, as no news article claims that. Hell, had to read four just to hear about the neck wound.

A few other important points:

• The attacker showed up once, threatened to kill them, and left (not sure why, the woman says she talked hum into leaving but how isnt clear)
• He returned thirty minutes later, demanded the woman's purse, and said he intended to kill ten people that day, starting with them
• The deceased slashed at the victim before any retaliation occurred, after which the victim grabbed a knife and stabbed them
• Nine of the stabs wounds are in their back.

It's a tough one for me. Back stab wounds indicate an intention to flee, but according to some comments, the coroner's report stated that the deceased was not blocked from retreat by the victim. So its hard to know exactly what happened, and in what sequence stuff happened. The only thing established is that in the end the dead guy definitely announced his intention to go on a killing spree, attacked first, and is now dead.

Hairistotle posted...

like was he still a threat after the tenth stab?

He could be. He could also just be violently spasming and that could be mistaken for trying to fight.

People have survived much worse and have also done much worse with worse injuries.

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I don't see how you can fault a guy for exhibiting rage against someone who literally broke into their home and tried to hurt them/their family

If he was like chopping parts off of him then maybe

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Artemis86 posted...

CE spin. One of the stabs pierced a neck artery. Whoever made the claim clearly spun it as a "slitting" on purpose, as no news article claims that. Hell, had to read four just to hear about the neck wound.

A few other important points:

* The attacker showed up once, threatened to kill them, and left (not sure why, the woman says she talked hum into leaving but how isnt clear)
* He returned thirty minutes later, demanded the woman's purse, and said he intended to kill ten people that day, starting with them
* The deceased slashed at the victim before any retaliation occurred, after which the victim grabbed a knife and stabbed them
* Nine of the stabs wounds are in their back.

It's a tough one for me. Back stab wounds indicate an intention to flee, but according to some comments, the coroner's report stated that the deceased was not blocked from retreat by the victim. So its hard to know exactly what happened, and in what sequence stuff happened. The only thing established is that in the end the dead guy definitely announced his intention to go on a killing spree, attacked first, and is now dead.

Hmm figures. That does change things.

Making threats then returning and threatening a killing spree makes the deceased look worse to me. Also trying to slash the homeowner. If someone tried to slash at me, with my wife or gf present, i would also stab and incapacitate them.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

I'd have stabbed an intruder 70 times

Youd also be going to jail tho

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17 is a lot but the guy was justified in killing the intruder
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I suspect there are some details absent from the story as reported, but there definitely is a point at which it is no longer self defense

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eston posted...

I suspect there are some details absent from the story as reported, but there definitely is a point at which it is no longer self defense

112%.

The dude is probably hiding a pretty gnarly demon but the intruder's death is justified
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Who cares if it was excessive? A home intruder forfeits their right to live, IMO.

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

17 times is a fucking lot

Depends on where you stab him and if he's still fighting back after the tenth stab.
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youre all judging a person for his actions in a scenario youve never been in. and just because you wouldnt react that way doesnt mean other people wont react that way

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I don't get why 17 matters.

Was he more dead at 17 than he was at 16? Why is it self-defense to kill the guy but murder to kill the guy and keep stabbing his apathetic corpse?

Sure, it raises the question of why keep stabbing but I also don't see why it makes any difference.

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DevsBro posted...

I don't get why 17 matters.

Was he more dead at 17 than he was at 16? Why is it self-defense to kill the guy but murder to kill the guy and keep stabbing his apathetic corpse?

Sure, it raises the question of why keep stabbing but I also don't see why it makes any difference.

It doesn't, but it's the UK and their citizens keep their balls in Parliament rather than where they belong so it's not a shock he got convicted, let alone charged.
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krazychao5 posted...

I'm not so certain about that.

5 times, sure. Hell, even 10 times, okay I get it - you are scared.

But to keep stabbing someone that many times is pretty wicked.

How do you know this? Youve been in a life and death struggle with an armed intruder in your home and you were trying to protect a loved one?

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AuroraUnit836 posted...

youre all judging a person for his actions in a scenario youve never been in. and just because you wouldnt react that way doesnt mean other people wont react that way

I don't think that's relevant to what the law and a jury say

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It's insane to think that defending yourself from someone that intends to kill you and killing them in the process is somehow illegal.

I get 17 stabs seems "excessive" but people have survived almost double the stab wounds before:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/a-woman-who-survived-a-brutal-domestic-violence-attack-is-ma


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Rika_Furude posted...

In a life or death panic scenario where you are wrestling with someone trying to kill you, 17 times is hardly anything.

Seriously, this.

If he's stabbing him in a panic, then it's not going to be a few times.

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boxington posted...

on one hand, the intruder had a knife and threatened to kill the homeowner and his partner, but on the other

Adrenaline, yo.

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Conflict posted...

How many stabbings do you think it would take to disable someone who isn't armed with a gun?

However many it takes for the intruder to stop

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This is one aspect of Europes criminal justice system as an aggregate that I never really understood. A person entering your house with a weapon puts the impetus on you because theyve already made up their mind. Splitting hairs over the amount of times you shouldve stabbed someone in a fight to defend yourself, particularly with a knife the assailant brought, is ridiculous. How many stabs is too many stabs, and how do you remember to count in a situation most people will never be involved in and almost no one is prepared for?

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Conflict posted...

You and I both know that's an extremely lazy and avoidant answer

You simply cannot pin down a specific number of stabs. It's a ridiculous reduction of biology. Rasputin survived being poisoned with Cyanide and shot in the heart and his assassins had to chase him.

Tupac was shot 5 times, twice in the head and survived. (And was killed 2 years later with less shots)

Asking "how many stabs does it take?" Is Tootsie Pop logic.

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If someone breaks into my home and threatens to kill me or my family, one of us is going to die, because I won't stop trying to kill that person until one of us is dead.

I would expect this to be true for everyone, but apparently not.

Conflict posted...

You and I both know that's an extremely lazy and avoidant answer

How is it avoiding the question? If youre in a life and death struggle thats exactly how many times you are going to stab someone. You wont even think about it. It is done in seconds. Why do you think people unload entire clips when shooting someone to defend themselves?

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Fairest of nexts.

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If you're gonna kill someone, kill someone. You don't fuck around- its not a decision to pussy foot around with. Besides what the fuck is the difference to a body if its one wound that kills you or 17, you're fucking dead. If you want, tag him with defiling a corpse or whatever


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Vicious_Dios posted...

Fuck that.

You enter my home and that's your ass. No pity nor mercy.

My Primary concern is protecting myself in order to protect my family. I'm not going to fiddle about trying to aim for your kneecap, 2 to the chest and 1 to the head and you're over with.

Why?

Because, I don't know if you're a lone assailant or not, and I can't have them crawling like a crab waiting to get the jump on me while his buttbuddy serves as a distraction.

This.
Mystery_Mission posted...

you break into someones home and threaten to murder them you get whats coming to you

And THIS.

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super_clout posted...

That's some bull!

pretty fucking much.

oh hey mr. Burglar, the tv is over there, fridge is in the kitchen, help yourself to a drink. If you need anything else heres my cellphone number

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