Current Events > Nintendo used an emulator without the developer's permission for WarioWare

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https://twitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1229090516064722944

I wonder if that dev is still around. He technically has grounds to sue their asses.
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It's not valid evidence for anything at all. Stuff like this can be coincidence.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

It's not valid evidence for anything at all.

Its actually pretty damning evidence

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

It's not valid evidence for anything at all. Stuff like this can be coincidence.

What exactly would make it a coincidence?
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645AR posted...

What exactly would make it a coincidence?

Nintendo being impeccable (for some people anyway)

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Weren't all the "classic" consoles shown to be running 'illegal emulators and roms'?

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Them emulating it on their own software that also has its last menu named "help". This happens often.

It can be a completely different tool that has a similar interface.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Them emulating it on their own software that also has its last menu named "help".

It can be a completely different tool that has a similar interface.

@MT_TRAEH this what you're talking about?
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645AR posted...

@MT_TRAEH this what you're talking about?

yeah, stop criticizing Nintendo or we'll get our asses sued

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Except I shit on Nintendo all the time, GBA and Gamecube were the last Nintendo console/handheld I geniunely liked because they fucked up or killed the majority of games / series I loved in the DS generation and Wii is mostly a garbage gimmick console with almost no good games. Hell the reason you see Phoenix Wright in my sig is coz I picked Vita over 3DS.

You guys don't understand that evidence needs to be irrefutable to matter. Coincidences happen with generic menus like these.

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There has been evidence some ROMs sold on their Virtual Console were downloaded and not dumped themselves, which is pretty understandable since they likely didn't think they needed ROMs of old NES games until it became practical to do mass emulation with the Wii.

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So I looked up the developer of Punch Out and discovered two things:
1. They're not around anymore.
2. It doesn't fucking matter anyway because this is who they were:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Integrated_Research_%26_Development
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Crazyman93 posted...

So I looked up the developer of Punch Out and discovered two things:
1. They're not around anymore.
2. It doesn't fucking matter anyway because this is who they were:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Integrated_Research_%26_Development

What the hell does this have to do with anything
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645AR posted...

What the hell does this have to do with anything

645AR posted...

I wonder if that dev is still around. He technically has grounds to sue their asses.

Do I need to spell it out farther or are you smart enough to grasp the obvious from here?
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They're talking about an emulator (and the developer of the emulator) not the ROM or anything to do with the game itself.

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Crazyman93 posted...

Do I need to spell it out farther or are you smart enough to grasp the obvious from here?

Bruh this has zero to do with Punch-Out. They used someone's emulator without their permission, not their rom. And it was used in WarioWare, not in the original release of Punch-Out or any emulated version of it.

How the hell you thought this was about Nintendo stealing a screenshot from a magical emulator in 1985 when the game came out I have no idea
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645AR posted...

Bruh this has zero to do with Punch-Out. They used someone's emulator without their permission, not their rom.

You do comprehend every game is developed on a PC right? Nintendo therefore has their own in house "emulators", or more realistically "software development kits". They have zero need to steal someone else's software.
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Crazyman93 posted...

You do comprehend every game is developed on a PC right? Nintendo therefore has their own in house "emulators", or more realistically "software development kits". They have zero need to steal someone else's software.

this is some next level shilling
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Common sense is shilling now? Mate, you are a shitposter.
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"they'd have zero need to" has never been a valid defense for anything ever

look at the fucking tweet and stop covering your eyes
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Tweet isn't proof. Do you understand how software is made?

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645AR posted...

"they'd have zero need to" has never been a valid defense for anything ever

look at the fucking tweet and stop covering your eyes

I did and it didn't prove a damn thing.
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wooo boy

im out rest of yall can handle this
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645AR posted...

this is some next level shilling

Crazyman93 posted...

Common sense is shilling now? Mate, you are a shitposter.

ME NO KNOW HOW GAME GET DEVELOP, BUT F NINTENDO THEY SHULD B SUED

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645AR posted...

wooo boy

im out rest of yall can handle this

Let other people try to explain something you dont have any understanding of that you came charging in here with? Clearly an intellectual. Crying laughing emoji.

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ssjevot posted...

There has been evidence some ROMs sold on their Virtual Console were downloaded and not dumped themselves, which is pretty understandable since they likely didn't think they needed ROMs of old NES games until it became practical to do mass emulation with the Wii.

Back in the late 90s, early 00s, Nintendo hired a guy that developed the iNes header just to develop their inhouse emulators. The iNes header worked perfect so why would Nintendo re-invent the wheel again?
And you forget that they emulated their games on the Gamecube, and that Square went to Nintendo for that Mana ROM.

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645AR posted...

wooo boy

i got my shit wrecked by people with a better grasp on software development than me so I'm gonna bail

ftfy
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Y'all getting trolled by a guy with 38 karma and 200+ active posts over here, trying to explain to his ass about dumb shit he probably doesn't care about just to fuck with you...

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CartmanMustDie posted...

tbf how do we know they didn't get their permission

Or that the similarities this tweet shows are superficial and they aren't really totally different programs.
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CartmanMustDie posted...

tbf how do we know they didn't get their permission

because the emulator in question is licensed under GNU GPLv2 which dictates a copy of the licence and copyright notice must be included with the software. I havn't played this version of warioware but I highly doubt nintendo included any of the aforementioned. Which means they are in violation of the license

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Rika_Furude posted...

because the emulator in question is licensed under GNU GPLv2 which dictates a copy of the licence and copyright notice must be included with the software. I havn't played this version of warioware but I highly doubt nintendo included any of the aforementioned. Which means they are in violation of the license

A) It would be on a splash screen of similar notices no one pays the slightest fucking bit of attention to and/or the instruction manual in the section even fewer people read than the main booklet
B) That assumes it's even the same program and not an inhouse tool, or actually, you know, a photoshop
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Crazyman93 posted...

A) It would be on a splash screen of similar notices no one pays the slightest fucking bit of attention to and/or the instruction manual in the section even fewer people read than the main booklet
B) That assumes it's even the same program and not an inhouse tool, or actually, you know, a photoshop

Nintendo have stolen emulators in the past without the appropriate credit as per the terms of the relevant licenses. Unless proven otherwise I dont doubt thats happened again this time.

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Is the game really running an emulator...
...or is it using a screenshot from an emulator as background?
Seeing how it is just tons of minigames, it make sense to just grab a background and add the moving pixels to it instead of running Nes ROMS for all minigames.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Nintendo have stolen emulators in the past without the appropriate credit as per the terms of the relevant licenses.

Sauce please.

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Just because it's not conclusive evidence on its own it doesn't mean that it's somehow "invalid"

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Foppe posted...

Sauce please.

Actually I had remembered wrong. They downloaded a rom and sold it back to people
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us


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Doesn't look like it at all...

Sorry but only a technological dunce would deny the reuse of assets here. The top-left artifacts are an exact match of the emulator's. There is no reason for them to match unless the interface was ripped.

I don't get what people think they accomplish by denying the obvious beyond looking silly.
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some hardcore nintending happening itt

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scar the 1 posted...

Just because it's not conclusive evidence on its own it doesn't mean that it's somehow "invalid"

I'll even go as far as to call it invalid. Even Firefox has "Help" as the final option in its menu.
The fonts don't match.
Resizing the window would move the "help" text away.

The only thing it proves is the game was loaded in some kind of software with a menu bar, but we can't prove which.

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Crazyman93 posted...

You do comprehend every game is developed on a PC right? Nintendo therefore has their own in house "emulators", or more realistically "software development kits". They have zero need to steal someone else's software.

You do comprehend that Nintendo developed NES games quite a long time ago right? There's no good reason why the NES dev kit would run in their current dev environment, and maintaining it/developing a new one from scratch is a lot more expensive than stealing some open source project and burying it.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

I'll even go as far as to call it invalid. Even Firefox has "Help" as the final option in its menu.
The fonts don't match.
Resizing the window would move the "help" text away.

Alright but now you're just arguing semantics. "Invalid" would be evidence that is bad or useless even if more evidence comes along to support the case. "Inconclusive" is evidence that is not enough on its own, but given more evidence would support the case.
That we see a help menu isn't conclusive evidence since, like you say, they might have made their own in-house emulator and added a help menu. Personally I don't find that very likely for an in-house emulator, but I agree that we can't rule it out. Given other pieces of evidence, however, this would definitely be incriminating still.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Actually I had remembered wrong. They downloaded a rom and sold it back to people
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

That article say two things.
1; Nintendo uses the iNes header, which is already explained.
2; If you dump your own ROM, it will be different from the one you download. This is wrong. Yes, it exist games with multiple revisions and you might get a difference if you dump it wrong, but it also exist verified ROMs because the dump is exactly the same between different dumpers and cartridges. And in the case of Super Mario Bros, it basically only exist two revisions of the game; the NTSC and PAL version. It is slightly changed on the multicartridge releases, but that is expected.
So it exist no proof that Nintendo downloaded that ROM online.

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scar the 1 posted...

"Invalid" would be evidence that is bad or useless even if more evidence comes along to support the case.

The thing is...it can't be used as evidence coz nothing about it at all belongs to VirtualNES.

Imagine a researcher looking at a photo of a newly discovered animal which is classified as a bird, and then using the wings as evidence that it can fly. Yes, birds have wings, but just having wings doesn't mean it can fly.

Very, very many tools have "Help" as the last option and resizing the screen moves it lower.

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Oh, they used a stolen emulator, not the ROM. Interesting. Could bring an interesting angle to the legal battles over ROMs

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

The thing is...it can't be used as evidence coz nothing about it at all belongs to VirtualNES.

Imagine a researcher looking at a photo of a newly discovered animal which is classified as a bird, and then using the wings as evidence that it can fly. Yes, birds have wings, but just having wings doesn't mean it can fly.

Very, very many tools have "Help" as the last option and resizing the screen moves it lower.

Of course it can be used as evidence? This isn't a court case. It's just that if it's the only piece of evidence, we can't make a very strong conclusion.

Very similar to how a researcher can look at a newly discovered animal and hypothesize that "this thing might be able to fly because it has wings". The researcher would be well aware that his hypothesis is not necessarily true.

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It exist a simple solution.
Check the game data if it contains the emulator and ROMs.

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Foppe posted...

It exist a simple solution.
Check the game data if it contains the emulator and ROMs.

Is that really simple? For all we know they could have copied the source code and extended/modified it. Still not allowed, but how are you going to find it when it's compiled? Like, go through the disassembly and see if the instructions match?

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ssjevot posted...

There has been evidence some ROMs sold on their Virtual Console were downloaded and not dumped themselves, which is pretty understandable since they likely didn't think they needed ROMs of old NES games until it became practical to do mass emulation with the Wii.

This was proven fake.

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