Poll of the Day > Trump: "Things are going so well we need to reopen the country.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Also Trump: Things are going so bad we need to stop immigration.

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Lmao u should tweet this @ him.

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Uhh ok, I like plagues.


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I mean, we certainly dont need people from other nations coming into the country right now. I dont see why thats so hard to grasp.

But we also don't want to open the country.

Hear me now quote me later.

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Yellow posted...

But we also don't want to open the country.

Hear me now quote me later.

Trump literally just publicly scolded governor kemp for planning to reopen the economy

Leftists then: "OMG, you can't close borders with China, THAT'S RACIST!"
Leftists recently: "OMG! Trump should have closed the borders sooner!"

Me then: "Close that border."
Me now: "Close that border."

We also have that stupid bitch Andrea Pizzaro Cortez pushing for revolts.

Keep at it, folks.

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What do you call this

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252928613743235072

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Yellow posted...

What do you call this

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252928613743235072

He also said that states opening would be up to the governors and would be on a basis of risk depending on the states. Some states have nearly zero cases and should not be closed because places like New York and California are basically hot spots keeping the majority of the country down with their dumb sjw bullshit... as usual.

Trump is not exactly consistent in his comments, but he suck as fuck isn't Nancy "Everyone ignore Trump and please go gather in masse to protest him vs Trump should have acted earlier" Pelosi.

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Is AOC the new HRC for these sheep?

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He's not actually wrong, though.

We can't stay self-quarantined forever, because our economy is slowly crumbling, and if any of us ever want to come out of this on the other side in a country mostly the same as the one we left behind, we eventually need to balance the necessity of getting back to work with the reality that the virus is still out there, and cases will absolutely spike again the moment people start leaving home.

But at the same time, it's absolutely in our best interests to mostly keep borders as closed as possible for a while, to prevent new infection vectors from coming in and making things worse than they already are. Which has always been the unspoken problem of this whole mess - even if we were somehow capable of shutting everything down and locking everyone away for a month and completely stopping all new infection (which we're not), all you need is one person to show up from a country that hasn't had such a rigorous clamp-down and everything starts over from pretty much square one.

Realistically, this whole thing is just spinning plates until we can come up with a vaccine that can get 70%+ of the population (especially the high-risk individuals) immune. But we can't afford to wait another 6-8 months in quarantine (and if this mutates as fast as the normal flu does, meaning we get secondary strains before then, it could extend this whole thing even longer). We basically need to get the economy back in motion before we don't have an economy.
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The_tall_midget posted...

Leftists then: "OMG, you can't close borders with China, THAT'S RACIST!"
Leftists recently: "OMG! Trump should have closed the borders sooner!"

Literally no one is saying this.

By the time Trump closed the border with China (notably, he was actually not the first leader to do so, as Japan, Italy, Russia, and North Korea had all implemented similar or more strict bans prior to Trump), the virus had already spread to the US. Closing the border at that point would not stop the spread of Coronavirus, because the spread was already happening within the country.

At best, Trump bought himself time. And the problem is he did almost nothing with that time. He didn't stock up on ventilators or other hospital supplies, didn't sound the early alarm about the virus, didn't ramp up testing, didn't do anything that would slow the virus's spread or mitigate it's impact.

Actually, even that's giving him too much credit, because doing nothing would have actually been an improvement over what he did do: spent the next six weeks downplaying the virus, promising that everything was under control, and accusing the Democrats and media of exaggerating the effects of a massive global pandemic purely to make him look bad. Only when the stock market crashed did he finally start to take notice, and by then it was far too late. Trump pissed away three months of advance warning about the virus and the US is now suffering for it.

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darkknight109 posted...

and accusing the Democrats and media of exaggerating the effects of a massive global pandemic purely to make him look bad

To say nothing of the part where he requested that states not report their unemployment numbers because he didn't want them to make him look bad.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

We can't stay self-quarantined forever, because our economy is slowly crumbling, and if any of us ever want to come out of this on the other side in a country mostly the same as the one we left behind, we eventually need to balance the necessity of getting back to work with the reality that the virus is still out there, and cases will absolutely spike again the moment people start leaving home.

This is a false dichotomy.

There is no contest between "Public Health vs. Economy", because public health *is* the economy. We're seeing this in micro-scale in Georgia where, despite the governor's attempts to re-open the state (far too early), consumer and employer confidence is still extremely low. Many businesses have said they will not open, despite the state lifting restrictions, and many consumers will still be staying home. In essence, Georgia is going to get the worst of both worlds - the increased social interaction is going to result in more sick and dying people, straining the health situation, while the continued withdrawal of those businesses and consumers unwilling to join in the "re-opening" will continue to drag on the economy.

Filling your workforce with sick and dying workers is not going to kickstart the economy; it's going to prolong the pain, because it's going to cripple affected businesses by destroying their workforce and driving away customers, and will also allow the virus to spread farther and faster and therefore maximize the amount of time recovery will take. Consumer confidence will remain low for as long as this virus is out there; I know I'm sure as fuck not going anywhere I don't have to until the healthcare professionals - not the politicians - give the all-clear.

The quickest path to economic recovery is to do what the doctors say. It's slow going now, but it will pay off in the end.

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We can totally ease restrictions as long as we have an actual plan for testing and other measures

a lot of far right morons though just want to say fuck it and have everything go back to normal with no plan in place

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darkknight109 posted...

This is a false dichotomy.

It really isn't, though.



darkknight109 posted...

There is no contest between "Public Health vs. Economy", because public health *is* the economy. We're seeing this in micro-scale in Georgia where, despite the governor's attempts to re-open the state (far too early), consumer and employer confidence is still extremely low. Many businesses have said they will not open, despite the state lifting restrictions, and many consumers will still be staying home.

Yes, which is the whole reason you can't just say "Okay everybody, back to work". It's not an all-or-nothing scenario (THAT is a false dichotomy). It's the main reason why there have to be plans for slower roll-outs combined with safety measures (ie, the sort of things that essential businesses are currently doing to stay open and limit spread).

Which is why "Hey, we need to start thinking about how we're going to get people back to work" is absolutely a valid premise. We can't just hide with our heads in the sand and pretend everything will be fine as long as we wait out the virus, because it really won't. There IS more than just the health issue in question.



darkknight109 posted...

Filling your workforce with sick and dying workers is not going to kickstart the economy; it's going to prolong the pain, because it's going to cripple affected businesses by destroying their workforce and driving away customers

Having over 30% unemployment rate for months, to the point where people can't afford to buy food or pay for other necessities isn't going to help the economy (or public health) either.

Like I said, it's a balancing act. You can't sacrifice public health to maintain the economy, but you can't sacrifice the economy to maintain public health. You have to steer between the two extremes, because if you don't we're absolutely fucked as a country coming out of this. And people will die from a ruined economy just as surely as they can die from a virus.

There are already businesses that will never reopen after this, as the owners have already found it economically impossible to maintain things, and won't be able to be able to afford to restart afterward (this is why many people were asking for small business support from the government). The longer the shutdown continues, the more businesses will never reopen. The more businesses that stay closed, the worse the economy becomes, the more people stay unemployed and financially desperate, etc.

Nothing we do was ever going to "stop" the virus from spreading. The most we could ever hope for was to "flatten the arc". Limited exposure allows hospitals to keep from being overwhelmed and buys time, but there's always going to be a huge spike when people start un-quarantining themselves.

The best scenario is for a long-term slow roll-out with people maintaining social distancing in public but still being able to help jumpstart the economy again, not just hiding until November (because that's what it would probably take to be 100% safe with this) and letting everything else collapse in the meantime.

No matter what, we DO need to be discussing the economy, even if the discussion winds up being about all the things we can't/shouldn't do. Essential businesses are still running, and the model they've been using can be extended to "slightly less essential but still pretty important" businesses. A number of businesses are already telecommuting, and others might be able to find ways to do so if efforts are made to implement new procedures. Restoring consumer confidence in businesses and getting them out to shop (in safe ways) is part of the discussion that needs to be taking place.

Just shrugging and going "Ehh, fuck it, we'll worry about it when the virus is completely gone" is a recipe for a decade or so worth of economic crash worse than the Great Depression.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Yes, which is the whole reason you can't just say "Okay everybody, back to work". It's not an all-or-nothing scenario (THAT is a false dichotomy). It's the main reason why there have to be plans for slower roll-outs combined with safety measures (ie, the sort of things that essential businesses are currently doing to stay open and limit spread).

Sure - which is exactly what the doctors are recommending.

You're agreeing with me, you just don't seem to realize it. This is exactly what I mean when I said that you take care of the economy *by* taking care of people's health.

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Cuomo is on a roll!

https://youtu.be/GDG0qgfaP88

Lmao, turns out Kentuckians are some welfare lovin foos. They need to start carrying their weight.

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HornedLion posted...

Is AOC the new HRC for these sheep?

Bleh. If we never heard from that witch again we'd be lucky.

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DPsx7 posted...

Bleh. If we never heard from that witch again we'd be lucky.

bro, we only keep hearing about her because Fox won't shut the fuck up about her.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

bro, we only keep hearing about her because Fox won't shut the fuck up about her.

Maybe if she stopped being a stupid bitch who says crap like people should revolt once the quarantine is over? Or how everything is racist and misogynist? Or how people should not go back to work once the quarantine is done? Or costing her state thousands upon thousands of jobs?

She just CAN'T stop being useless.

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The_tall_midget posted...

Maybe if she stopped being a stupid bitch who says crap like people should revolt once the quarantine is over? Or how everything is racist and misogynist? Or how people should not go back to work once the quarantine is done? Or costing her state thousands upon thousands of jobs?

She just CAN'T stop being useless.

I'm sure she said/did all that and Fox isn't telling you she said/did it.

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HornedLion posted...

Cuomo is on a roll!

https://youtu.be/GDG0qgfaP88

Lmao, turns out Kentuckians are some welfare lovin foos. They need to start carrying their weight.

Kentucky is one of the most rural states in the country. There simply arent job opportunities there. That's why my father left the state when he turned 18. Considering wall street and the abundance of wealth in New York, it's actually pathetic that the differential between New York and Kentucky is less than 300 billion. That should really be a point of embarrassment for New York

OhhhJa posted...

Kentucky is one of the most rural states in the country. There simply arent job opportunities there. That's why my father left the state when he turned 18. Considering wall street and the abundance of wealth in New York, it's actually pathetic that the differential between New York and Kentucky is less than 300 billion. That should really be a point of embarrassment for New York

A shoot and...

a miss.

https://youtu.be/_asNhzXq72w

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HornedLion posted...

A shoot and...

a miss.

https://youtu.be/_asNhzXq72w

You are a living, breathing contradiction. You of all people defending billionaire bailouts lol. Cuomo is such a shit governor he has to compare his state to Kentucky to defend the massive corporate bailouts he needs.

Given how selfish and uncaring certain politicians can be, I wouldn't be surprised if this is correct, but anyone over there want to weigh in on this?
https://i.imgur.com/b3izX2m.jpg
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DeltaBladeX posted...

Given how selfish and uncaring certain politicians can be, I wouldn't be surprised if this is correct, but anyone over there want to weigh in on this?
https://i.imgur.com/b3izX2m.jpg

As a GA resident, I can confirm that kemp is a stupid piece of shit

Trump is fat and dumb and I bet he smells like turds and lotion

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OhhhJa posted...

Cuomo is such a shit governor he has to compare his state to Kentucky to defend the massive corporate bailouts he needs.

He's comparing his state to Kentucky because Moscow Mitch is the senior senator from Kentucky and he's the one who said that states should go bankrupt rather than get the federal assistance they need. Kentucky takes far more money from the federal government than they pay in, while New York for years has been paying in more than they receive back. New York is saying, "Hey, we need some help here!" and McConnell is saying no, while still raking in billions more than they're paying in.

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captpackrat posted...

He's comparing his state to Kentucky because Moscow Mitch is the senior senator from Kentucky and he's the one who said that states should go bankrupt rather than get the federal assistance they need. Kentucky takes far more money from the federal government than they pay in, while New York for years has been paying in more than they receive back. New York is saying, "Hey, we need some help here!" and McConnell is saying no, while still raking in billions more than they're paying in.

He either A) doesnt know that or B) knows it but doesnt care because at the end of the day, its all about their team versus my team. Goooo Minnesota Vikings!

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captpackrat posted...

Its almost bizarre how theres borderline literally a Trump tweet that counters every Trump decision.

HornedLion posted...

He either A) doesnt know that or B) knows it but doesnt care because at the end of the day, its all about their team versus my team. Goooo Minnesota Vikings!

I'm totally aware and my point stands. New York is ridiculously wealthy compared to the rest of the country. It is quite literally a wealth magnet. He's redirecting blame from the rich to the poor. Are you really gonna let this douche compare people in poverty getting welfare just to scrape by to massive corporate bailouts? Lol

Also, I smell projection. I just very harshly criticized a republican in my last post. Try to keep up

Cacciato posted...

Its almost bizarre how theres borderline literally a Trump tweet that counters every Trump decision.

He contradicts himself even more than the Bible does.
Guess that's why the religious nutjobs love him so much.

When is Mitch gonna do us all a favor and kick the bucket already?

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OhhhJa posted...

I'm totally aware and my point stands. New York is ridiculously wealthy compared to the rest of the country. It is quite literally a wealth magnet.

Yeah, your point is mine:

OhhhJa posted...

Considering wall street and the abundance of wealth in New York, it's actually pathetic that the differential between New York and Kentucky is less than 300 billion. That should really be a point of embarrassment for New York

See, you are saying that NY gives tons more than Kentucky. Thats also Cuomos point too. So you, Cuomo, and I are on the same page... but you just wanted to let us know that NY should feel bad because they only give 300 Billion more than Kentucky. Noted. Ill let the citizens of NY know. Now go away.


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You got this Mr. President :)

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More like:

The virus is less deadly than anticipated so we need to open up the economy so people can get jobs again.

Also, the unemployment rate is sky high right now because of the virus so we need to temporarily not let in more people to compete with our citizens for those jobs.

Both are true and sensible.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

More like:

The virus is less deadly than anticipated so we need to open up the economy so people can get jobs again.

Also, the unemployment rate is sky high right now because of the virus so we need to temporarily not let in more people to compete with our citizens for those jobs.

Both are true and sensible.

It's easy for those who pay no taxes and always demand for free shit to demand that the economy stay closed. It's not like it's them who are making the country go forward. Useless Marxists.

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The_tall_midget posted...

It's easy for those who pay no taxes and always demand for free shit to demand that the economy stay closed. It's not like it's them who are making the country go forward. Useless Marxists.

Aren't the people paying no taxes and demanding free shit the ones wanting the economy opened so we can die for their profits?

aDirtyShisno posted...

Also, the unemployment rate is sky high right now because of the virus so we need to temporarily not let in more people to compete with our citizens for those jobs.

If your citizens aren't competitive enough to get those jobs over immigrants, do they really deserve them?

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adjl posted...

If your citizens aren't competitive enough to get those jobs over immigrants, do they really deserve them?

Yes, because they're invested more in the system. If immigrants are taking advantage of 1st world living wage to buy a 3rd world mansion in their home country, do they deserve it?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yes, because they're invested more in the system. If immigrants are taking advantage of 1st world living wage to buy a 3rd world mansion in their home country, do they deserve it?

So we should start doling out jobs based on who's most likely to put their money back into the local economy now? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but you're going to get a whole lot of unemployed billionaires crying into their tax haven savings accounts if you take that approach.

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adjl posted...

So we should start doling out jobs based on who's most likely to put their money back into the local economy now? I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but you're going to get a whole lot of unemployed billionaires crying into their tax haven savings accounts if you take that approach.

Billionaires aren't given jobs, they create them.

Governments are about their governed land so naturally what makes most returns to their area is more deserving of their support than that which doesn't.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Billionaires aren't given jobs, they create them.

There are typically boards that have the power to replace or oust CEO's as needed. Regardless of the semantics of "being given a job," though, the logical extension of your premise would be that it's in governments' best interests to forbid large corporations from operating within an area at the expense of local businesses, since so much of their revenue goes elsewhere. That's the point I was making.

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OhhhJa posted...

Kentucky is one of the most rural states in the country. There simply arent job opportunities there. That's why my father left the state when he turned 18. Considering wall street and the abundance of wealth in New York, it's actually pathetic that the differential between New York and Kentucky is less than 300 billion. That should really be a point of embarrassment for New York

"I mean yeah, liberal haven New York is way richer and more profitable than Kentucky, but they should be embarrassed that they're not running up the score even more!"

Not sure this is the winning argument you seem to think it is...

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darkknight109 posted...

"I mean yeah, liberal haven New York is way richer and more profitable than Kentucky, but they should be embarrassed that they're not running up the score even more!"

Not sure this is the winning argument you seem to think it is...

its not, just in case he's confused, ok?

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yes, because they're invested more in the system. If immigrants are taking advantage of 1st world living wage to buy a 3rd world mansion in their home country, do they deserve it?

Why wouldn't they? They did the work, after all. Are you really expecting the government to police what you can and cannot spend your wages on now?

If I choose to go take a vacation in another country, I'm not contributing to my local economy. Am I to be penalized for that? Your post seems to suggest yes, which strikes me as ridiculous government overreach.

Once you've earned your wages, they're yours. You've already contributed to the local economy by, y'know, working there and providing a service. What you do with the money once it's in your pocket is entirely your own business, as it should be.

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