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Veggeta X
04/30/20 4:06:31 PM
#51:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Why should anyone care enough to say fuck that dude?How has your life been ruined by some people reading spoilers for a game before its released?
This is pretty telling. I'm sorry you can't see it.

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B-Factor
04/30/20 4:14:11 PM
#52:


While it's understandable retaliation, the game is going to sell like shit now.

They're going to end up with less money in the end over all this.
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Veggeta X
04/30/20 4:16:37 PM
#53:


CE is okay with a company going bankrupt because they didn't like a game's storyline.

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B-Factor
04/30/20 4:19:31 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
CE is okay with a company going bankrupt because they didn't like a game's storyline.

If they go bankrupt it's because of shitty business practices.

I wish the game wasn't spoiled. I respect delaying the release until the world goes back to normal. I don't think it was smart to leak anything long-term.

But they could've avoided this by just treating all of their employees equally.
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Solar_Crimson
04/30/20 4:21:01 PM
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Prestoff posted...
It's especially normalized in Japan where you're personally shamed and frowned upon if you leave work early because you want to show how productive you are in society, so you can expect why Japanese games in the past tend to be a little higher quality than American made games.
Yeah, I always found it rather amazing how Japanese devs were able to make massive games in only a few years, but it's because they pretty much work on them nonstop, to the detriment of their personal lives and even health.

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DeadBankerDream
04/30/20 4:24:02 PM
#57:


Veggeta X posted...
CE is okay with a company going bankrupt because they didn't like a game's storyline.

This logic is insane.

How is Naughty Dog owed anyone's money?
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Coastal_elite
04/30/20 4:39:53 PM
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Jabodie posted...
But the guy who runs that office is a great engineer, but a complete a****** that expects you to make your work your life. He was working like 60-80 hour weeks for a year before he left.

This shit has to stop.

People used to live ok with a 9-to-5 job. Now people are consistently pulling 80 hour weeks to brely scrape by. Something's gotta give?
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Coastal_elite
04/30/20 4:41:25 PM
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kewldude475 posted...
Because creditors and stockholders and quarterly expectations and goals, I would think. Artistically though, yes crunch is bad.

I agree.

It's stupid. Games like mario 64, mortal kombat 1, street fighter 2 and zelda OOT were so great BECAUSE they didn't have crunch. And those were great money makers.
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NinjaPirateDood
04/30/20 4:54:44 PM
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Mkay, it's official. Naughty Dog goes on THE LIST. The black one, specifically. I'm blacklisting them.

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AvantgardeAClue
04/30/20 4:57:38 PM
#61:


Veggeta X posted...
CE is okay with a company going bankrupt because they didn't like a game's storyline.

If they cared enough they would've released it when it was done and not when they thought they could maximize profit.

The execs failed ND, not the players.

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brokenfingers
04/30/20 5:12:01 PM
#62:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
No idea

I'd assume its something to do with HD graphics since that's the only thing that seems different.
I'd imagine AI and physics have something to do with it, as well.

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TheGoldenEel
04/30/20 5:19:37 PM
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Lmfao at thinking the leak will negatively affect sales

the neckbeards crying SJW were never gonna but this game because they perceive it as casual or mainstream or whatever

nobody else is seeking out these leaks

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Questionmarktarius
04/30/20 5:30:51 PM
#64:


Coastal_elite posted...
Why is crunch a thing?
Release dates are set by marketers instead of technicians.
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Darmik
04/30/20 5:35:00 PM
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Usually when stories like this happen (especially since this involves several employees) it gets leaked to the press. Not an anonymous poster on Reddit.

It's not farfetched but a better source would get the story out there better.

ChuckSDeuces posted...
It's funny seeing the opposite too

Especially from tools like Jason Schrier

Err you know he's the guy who reported on the crunch at Naughty Dog yeah?

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Jabodie
04/30/20 5:41:52 PM
#66:


Coastal_elite posted...
This shit has to stop.

People used to live ok with a 9-to-5 job. Now people are consistently pulling 80 hour weeks to brely scrape by. Something's gotta give?
Well to be fair he was being compensated over six figures with straight over time before tax. He wasn't scraping by, but he wasn't enjoying life.

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Prestoff
04/30/20 5:49:51 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Yeah, I always found it rather amazing how Japanese devs were able to make massive games in only a few years, but it's because they pretty much work on them nonstop, to the detriment of their personal lives and even health.

Unfortunately in Japan, it's a culture problem. At least crunch time in America, there is space for change because we view it unanimously as problematic. The only ones that don't are the publishers, execs, and stock/shareholders.

Questionmarktarius posted...
Release dates are set by marketers instead of technicians.

Also because making games is complex and hard to make milestones in. There will always be technical difficulties and hurdles to cross over, so what happens is that a lot of games with a tight schedule will be released broken and unfinished while relying on "patches" to fix the problems and dlc to recoup extra mullah.

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Keith_Valentine
04/30/20 5:51:36 PM
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I dont see how its Naughty Dogs fault their employees planned for and maybe spent money they didnt have. So this disgruntled brat wants special treatment, doesnt get it, and pretty much spoils the game for thousands of people who see the leak direct or indirectly? And im supposed to act like hes a brave hero? Fuck that. He screwed over his comrades who will be the ones affected when pissed off gamers boycott this game. Not to mention ruining their huge, 'epic' twist. Thats some of the boldest shit ive seen in a game in a long time, even as i think its terrible.

If you dont like your company, get a different fucking job. If you dont like crunching hard, dont develop triple AAA games. If making classic games was easy, everyone would do it. Everyone wants to hate the man with the authority, but its hard being the asshole boss who gets shit done.
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Questionmarktarius
04/30/20 6:03:17 PM
#69:


Prestoff posted...
Unfortunately in Japan, it's a culture problem.
I suspect this is why DQ7 is the way it is.
The game is organized in a way that the developers could have just stopped at any time and plopped down the end credits.
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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 6:48:29 PM
#70:


Darmik posted...
Err you know he's the guy who reported on the crunch at Naughty Dog yeah?

Which is why him now defending them and getting upset over the leaks makes him look like a tool.


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Darmik
04/30/20 7:04:35 PM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
Which is why him now defending them and getting upset over the leaks makes him look like a tool.

He didn't defend their work culture at all. He said that leaks also hurt the developers who worked on the game.

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 7:08:31 PM
#72:


Darmik posted...
He didn't defend their work culture at all. He said that leaks also hurt the developers who worked on the game.

Which he has never had an issue with whenever he runs with a leak...

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Darmik
04/30/20 7:09:09 PM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
Which he has never had an issue with whenever he runs with a leak...

He has never spoiled a game. What are you on about?

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Vicious_Dios
04/30/20 7:12:12 PM
#74:


Those naughty dawgs.

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Scotty_Rogers
04/30/20 7:12:47 PM
#75:


Lol leaking video game plots like its a political scandal

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 7:19:38 PM
#76:


Darmik posted...
He has never spoiled a game. What are you on about?

Exactly what I said. Dude is a tool who says he cares about crunch until it effects the company/people he's buddy buddy with.


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Darmik
04/30/20 7:24:46 PM
#77:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
Exactly what I said. Dude is a tool who says he cares about crunch until it effects the company/people he's buddy buddy with.

You're not making any sense.

The same people who were angry enough to go to him to leak out the working conditions at Naughty Dog are also upset that the major plot twists were leaked. Because they still worked on the game and they're proud of it. How is this defending the company and how is it hard to understand?

There isn't anything that points to the Reddit post being true. It hasn't even been proven if the leaker worked at Naughty Dog to begin with.

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 7:27:35 PM
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Who else would possibly have access to all of these cutscenes other than someone working for Naughty Dog?

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Darmik
04/30/20 7:31:28 PM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
Who else would possibly have access to all of these cutscenes other than someone working for Naughty Dog?

Outsourced companies who handle stuff like translating dialogue or QA.

A whole lot of people are working from home right now. It has never been easier to leak a game.

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 7:42:46 PM
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Do you know this from experience? I'd like to hear exactly how all this works.

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Tyranthraxus
04/30/20 7:44:06 PM
#81:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
Do you know this from experience? I'd like to hear exactly how all this works.

It happened with GoW 3. Someone leaked the ending in French or some shit.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/30/20 7:44:21 PM
#82:


While something certainly seems to be in the water over at Naughty Dog, I'm not ready to buy this story. Giving "selective advances" like that is totally shitty if true, but let's be real here, Reddit is notorious for misinformation and this could just be an angry member of the GP stirring the pot.

What an absolute clusterfuck of a pre-release window, though. It's looking even messier than the buildup to Pokemon Sword/Shield at this point.

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Darmik
04/30/20 7:45:12 PM
#83:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
Do you know this from experience? I'd like to hear exactly how all this works.

I believe I saw that some of the leaks were in German (I haven't watched them).

But when it comes to outsourcing yeah it's common.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRv2KVxbeOc

Go to 3:40. The entire second half of the credits are outsourced companies.

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AlmightyCheeks
04/30/20 7:52:23 PM
#84:


Coastal_elite posted...
Why is crunch a thing?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Makeveli_lives
04/30/20 7:52:25 PM
#85:


Reddit post is a lie

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1255974873047891968

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Makeveli_lives
04/30/20 7:53:21 PM
#86:


AlmightyCheeks posted...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Because of release dates and shit. It's either crunch or delay it and hope the delay doesn't result in less orders.

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The_Creep_2020
04/30/20 7:57:01 PM
#87:


That post reads like a chain email for video game players.

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 7:58:01 PM
#88:


Makeveli_lives posted...
Reddit post is a lie

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1255974873047891968

Like I'm going to trust him at this point.

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Darmik
04/30/20 8:00:26 PM
#89:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
Like I'm going to trust him at this point.

But you'd believe a random Reddit post.

Right.

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Antifar
04/30/20 8:01:18 PM
#90:


ChuckSDeuces posted...


Like I'm going to trust him at this point.

Why wouldn't you, exactly?
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Tyranthraxus
04/30/20 8:07:52 PM
#91:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
Like I'm going to trust him at this point.
Jason Schreier is literally one of the most trustworthy people in the business.

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 8:08:30 PM
#92:


Darmik posted...
But you'd believe a random Reddit post.

Right.

I've never said I believed it, I said if it was true I wouldn't feel sympathy for Naughty Dog.

You need to really stop riding Jasons nuts, Darmik. I get he's ResetEras darling but damn man you're putting all sorts of words in my mouth simply because I don't like that tool.

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ChuckSDeuces
04/30/20 8:09:06 PM
#93:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Jason Schreier is literally one of the most trustworthy people in the business.

lmfao


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Jabodie
04/30/20 8:09:48 PM
#94:


Is not trusting Schreier some kinda alt right gamer meme now?

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FortuneCookie
04/30/20 8:11:58 PM
#95:


*wakes up*
*crawls out from under rock*

What was the leak?

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Tyranthraxus
04/30/20 8:12:33 PM
#96:


FortuneCookie posted...
*wakes up*
*crawls out from under rock*

What was the leak?
The whole plot basically

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Darmik
04/30/20 8:13:39 PM
#97:


ChuckSDeuces posted...
I've never said I believed it, I said if it was true I wouldn't feel sympathy for Naughty Dog.

You need to really stop riding Jasons nuts, Darmik. I get he's ResetEras darling but damn man you're putting all sorts of words in my mouth simply because I don't like that tool.

Your points about him haven't even made sense. Like you wouldn't even know working conditions at Naughty Dog sucked if he didn't write a story about it.

Now you randomly think he is defending the company because of uhh..?

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Stalolin
04/30/20 8:15:06 PM
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FortuneCookie
04/30/20 8:15:11 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The whole plot basically

Oh.



That's kind of a big leak.

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The_Scarecrow
04/30/20 8:27:06 PM
#100:


http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=jason_schreier

Sure, Jason has a history of being accurate with his information but let's not pretend he's a trustworthy journalist.

Some of you guys are choosing to die on this hill defending Naughty Dog, huh? More power to you.

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