Current Events > Alleged motivation for TLoU2 leak posted on reddit

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The_Scarecrow posted...

http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=jason_schreier

Sure, Jason has a history of being accurate with his information but let's not pretend he's a trustworthy journalist.

Some of you guys are choosing to die on this hill defending Naughty Dog, huh? More power to you.

Correcting people who are jumping on leaks and rumors with made up shit isn't defending a company.

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Darmik posted...

Correcting people who are jumping on leaks and rumors with made up shit isn't defending a company.

Who says I was talking about the correction part? From the moment these leaks started, certain posters have gone out of their way to side with Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann when almost everyone else is rightfully criticizing them.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Who says I was talking about the correction part? From the moment these leaks started, certain posters have gone out of their way to side with Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann when almost everyone else is rightfully criticizing them.

Most of the criticism seems to be with the content of the leak itself though. Literally no one said shit about their business model before this.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Who says I was talking about the correction part? From the moment these leaks started, certain posters have gone out of their way to side with Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann when almost everyone else is rightfully criticizing them.

And yet the reports of Naughty Dog working conditions being bad came out months before the leaks. From Jason Schreier. Who is now unreliable because..?


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Tyranthraxus posted...

Most of the criticism seems to be with the content of the leak itself though. Literally no one said shit about their business model before this.

Huh? Plenty of people had issues when ND's crunch practices were being reported on earlier this year.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Huh? Plenty of people had issues when ND's crunch practices were being reported on earlier this year.

Schreier did that reporting.
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Darmik posted...

And yet the reports of Naughty Dog working conditions being bad came out months before the leaks. From Jason Schreier. Who is now unreliable because..?

Hold on. I clearly said Jason has accurate information in my post mentioning him. I also that doesn't make him a trustworthy journalist given some of his history. So, what are you talking about?

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How does doing accurate reporting not make someone a trustworthy journalist?

Do they have to not have political views you find lame also?
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The_Scarecrow posted...

Hold on. I clearly said Jason has accurate information in my post mentioning him. I also that doesn't make him a trustworthy journalist given some of his history. So, what are you talking about?

What are YOU talking about?

Is he reliable reporting about Naughty Dog or not?

What are you trying to say here? What other reliable source do we have?

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Huh? Plenty of people had issues when ND's crunch practices were being reported on earlier this year.

I think you're dramatically overstating how many people are actually upset on behalf of the employees at ND. There were a few people posting about it months ago and then no one cared until the leak happened. And then everyone continued to not care until people connected the leak to the poor working conditions.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Hold on. I clearly said Jason has accurate information in my post mentioning him. I also that doesn't make him a trustworthy journalist given some of his history. So, what are you talking about?

His.... History of accurate reporting makes him not trustworthy?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I think you're dramatically overstating how many people are actually upset on behalf of the employees at ND. There were a few people posting about it months ago and then no one cared until the leak happened. And then everyone continued to not care until people connected the leak to the poor working conditions.

Red Dead Redemption 2 had awful crunch and I didn't see these posters caring.

Most of the time when I post articles they just whine it's from Kotaku or Polygon.

It's sad that most of these guys give me the impression they just have an axe to grind with Naughty Dog's politics. Which is why they still can't help themselves getting mad over Schreier.

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Darmik posted...

Red Dead Redemption 2 had awful crunch and I didn't see these posters caring.

Most of the time when I post articles they just whine it's from Kotaku or Polygon.

It's sad that most of these guys give me the impression they just have an axe to grind with Naughty Dog's politics. Which is why they still can't help themselves getting mad over Schreier.

I find if you press people enough they will eventually admit they don't like Jason Schreier because he worked at Kotaku.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

How does doing accurate reporting not make someone a trustworthy journalist?

Do they have to not have political views you find lame also?

Read the link I posted. Just because a journalist is right sometimes doesn't mean they're right all the time. The link I posted has literal proof but I don't think any of you actually clicked on it. If you did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Darmik posted...

What are YOU talking about?

Is he reliable reporting about Naughty Dog or not?

What are you trying to say here? What other reliable source do we have?

No, you're making things up and twisting my words. I was never talking about if Jason was reliably reporting ND or not. That was never the purpose of my initial post regarding him. In my post, since you seem to have forgotten, I said he has reliable info. but that doesn't mean he is a trustworthy journalist given some of his past journalist endeavors. I posted a link providing evidence of my claims supporting my argument so that people would know I'm not making shit up. Oh, and an ex employee talked about this in his own experiences.

Just like in the last topic. Is this what you do? I'd like to see where I said Jason wasn't reliably reporting on ND specifically.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I think you're dramatically overstating how many people are actually upset on behalf of the employees at ND. There were a few people posting about it months ago and then no one cared until the leak happened. And then everyone continued to not care until people connected the leak to the poor working conditions.

Not even. There are multiple threads on ResetERA regarding ND's crunch culture. Several with nearly 2,000 posts. There are videos on Youtube talking about this subject. Some with almost 500,000 views and that's just from a quick glance. These videos are nearly a month old now. Well before this leak happened. What do you mean " a few people"? Just because not many topics were made on GameFAQs doesn't mean people were talking about it.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Read the link I posted.

There's no need for anyone to read that gator bullshit website. Literally Fox News would be a better source of information.

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Dude your link is Gamergate garbo. It literally sources One Angry Gamer.

The_Scarecrow posted...

Not even. There are multiple threads on ResetERA regarding ND's crunch culture. Several with nearly 2,000 posts. There are videos on Youtube talking about this subject. Some with almost 500,000 views and that's just from a quick glance. These videos are nearly a month old now. Well before this leak happened. What do you mean " a few people"? Just because not many topics were made on GameFAQs doesn't mean people were talking about it.

Oh you mean the board that TC also whined about.

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Hairistotle posted...

for fuck sake i'm so sick of alt right nutsacks hating shit for the wrong reasons, when there are RIGHT reasons to hate shit

they did this shit with the last jedi too. now you just look like an alt right cock if you don't like the last jedi

Indeed. I really hate how they hijacked the discussion on TLJ and its very real problems with the writing with their woman hating agenda.

If TLJ was supposed to be a feminist film, it completely failed. Because in the end a white man had to save the day because that "space feminist" fucked up badly.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no need for anyone to read that gator bullshit website. Literally Fox News would be a better source of information.

Darmik posted...

Dude your link is Gamergate garbo. It literally sources One Angry Gamer.

Oh you mean the board that TC also whined about.

Oh, I see. So you both have no argument when I provided and can provide even more proof to back up my claims. Gotcha. Notice how you didn't refute what I just said and instead, jumped onto the link because it's the only point you have a leg in.

Absolute nonsense. My post about Jason initially and my post about ND's crunch weren't related at all and some of you dudes tried spinning it on me as if I was relating the two together. Get outta here.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

Oh, I see. So you both have no argument when I provided and can provide even more proof to back up my claims. Gotcha. Notice how you didn't refute what I just said and instead, jumped onto the link because it's the only point you have a leg in.

I don't know what I'm supposed to be refuting here. Jason is unreliable but in the case of Naughty Dog he is reliable? Okay?

Nobody takes Gamergate bait seriously anymore. It's not 2015.

You also spent a chunk of the last topic saying his book about Naughty Dog wasn't reliable anyway.

The_Scarecrow posted...

My post about Jason initially and my post about ND's crunch weren't related at all and some of you dudes tried spinning it on me as if I was relating the two together.

It's related because HE reported it!

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You don't even need to read anything it's common sense....from the moment it got delayed it was obvious it was going to be ported to the PS5 most likely as a launch title as well. This means people working on it wouldn't get paid as much, probably miss out on bonuses, etc...until after the game was released. The employee knew it was finished he/she wanted the game out and not be delayed anymore.

ND should have released it as scheduled and release an updated version on PS5. The worse part is that it affects the PS5 the most.

GoW came out not so long ago one can assume a sequel won't be out for PS5 as a launch title, neither will Gran Turismo, maybe a new Little Big Planet or Knack 3. They need a good launch title and the fastest/easiest/closest exclusive was LoU2.


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If it was being delayed specifically for a PS5 launch then Sony would have made the budget solvent until PS5 launch.

I'm not saying it won't be a PS5 title, but if it is a PS5 title then it necessarily invalidates any suggestions that the employees weren't being paid.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

If it was being delayed specifically for a PS5 launch then Sony would have made the budget solvent until PS5 launch.

I'm not saying it won't be a PS5 title, but if it is a PS5 title then it necessarily invalidates any suggestions that the employees weren't being paid.

The PS5 is backwards compatible, there's no reason to make it a PS5 game at all.

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

You don't even need to read anything it's common sense....from the moment it got delayed it was obvious it was going to be ported to the PS5 most likely as a launch title as well. This means people working on it wouldn't get paid as much, probably miss out on bonuses, etc...until after the game was released. The employee knew it was finished he/she wanted the game out and not be delayed anymore.

ND should have released it as scheduled and release an updated version on PS5. The worse part is that it affects the PS5 the most.

GoW came out not so long ago one can assume a sequel won't be out for PS5 as a launch title, neither will Gran Turismo, maybe a new Little Big Planet or Knack 3. They need a good launch title and the fastest/easiest/closest exclusive was LoU2.

Ghost of Tsushima would be closer. A lot of people seem to expect Horizon 2 around launch but they might be guessing.

The 6 month bonus thing is written in the Kotaku article so I think they just used that as a launching point to make something up. Contractors and temp employees don't even get it at all and they're the ones who were really bent over the barrel during development.

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Darmik posted...

I don't know what I'm supposed to be refuting here. Jason is unreliable but in the case of Naughty Dog he is reliable? Okay?

Nobody takes Gamergate bait seriously anymore. It's not 2015.

You also spent a chunk of the last topic saying his book about Naughty Dog wasn't reliable anyway.

It's related because HE reported it!

This is the last time I'm saying this. In my initial post regarding Jason, I specifically said he has reliable information but that doesn't mean he's a trustworthy journalist. People can be right sometimes and wrong other times. Jason is right sometimes that doesn't mean we should always take his word as gospel. We shouldn't instantly trust everything he says. That's the simplest I can make this.

My link has archived posts of Jason being questionable. I do not give a damn what you personally think. You cannot refute against archived data that shows the factual information. If you really want to continue doing so, then by all means.

About the book, it harkens back to what I just said in this same post.

I know Jason reported on the crunch. There's no argument there. I also know his information can be accurate which is what I said in my initial post. It's like with certain populars leakers for Nintendo directs and Smash news. They can have accurate information sometimes but they're not always right so that doesn't mean we should be willing to trust everything they say just like that. In this particular instance, an ex Naughty Dog employee came out and talked about his own negative experiences which provided truth to the original Kotaku article.

I don't know what you're supposed to be refuting, either. You're looking for an argument in certain topics when there isn't one at all. Never did I say Jason's information about the crunch was unreliable because it was proven to be correct by other sources.

A journalist can be correct in some cases and very wrong in others. There's nothing out of the ordinary about that.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

The PS5 is backwards compatible, there's no reason to make it a PS5 game at all.

I have no stake in whether or not it's a PS5 game. I am simply addressing the fact that if the delay was artificially induced specifically to make it a PS5 claim, the entire argument that they're not being paid is bunk.

Furthermore, there's no guarantee all PS4 games will work with BC right off the bat anyway, and even if it did, companies like to run promos on their new titles for new systems. Look at Nintendo and BotW. You didn't need to buy a switch to play it. But lots of people did so anyway, even if they owned a Wii U.

The_Scarecrow posted...

My link has archived posts of Jason being questionable. I do not give a damn what you personally think. You cannot refute against archived data that shows the factual information. If you really want to continue doing so, then by all means.

Your link of Jason being questionable is itself questionable. Far more so than Jason himself. Additionally, I agree it is a stupid idea to take anything Jason says as gospel, but when it is his word against an anonymous redditor with no named sources, I will always be more inclined to believe Jason.

Gators however are mostly notable for founding their "journalistic ethics and integrity" movement off user made Facebook infographics so it's no surprise that they'd also treat an anonymous Reddit screencap as equally valid.

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one angry gamer is the funniest website name ever because it has no idea how impotent it makes itself sound

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https://i.imgur.com/a2GfC8e.png

I hope some of you will notice what I was talking about regarding Jason. He initial tweet regarding this wasn't accurate at all. Just because he says something doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Wait until it's been proven. He's human just like the rest of us. He's made mistakes, lied, been biased, and so on. Saying he's a trustworthy source of information is a stretch.

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The_Scarecrow posted...

https://i.imgur.com/a2GfC8e.png

I hope some of you will notice what I was talking about regarding Jason. He initial tweet regarding this wasn't accurate at all. Just because he says something doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Wait until it's been proven. He's human just like the rest of us. He's made mistakes, lied, been biased, and so on. Saying he's a trustworthy source of information is a stretch.

You're still failing to understand the contention here. It is not that Jason Schreier is literally never wrong. It is that the Reddit screencap is fake which it is. The whole fucking tangent started because Chuck said he wasn't going to trust Jason's take and instead go with the Reddit version of events. We know those events to be false.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1255976014754328578?s=19

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the more I think about this, assuming that it's true (what was posted in the OP), I feel like I side with the leaker.

if people agree to be underpaid with the promise that they'll be receiving bonuses after the game's released, and then the release ends up being put on hold indefinitely, then a good part of their wages are being held hostage..and the six month thing is BS.

I rather not have been spoiled, but unlike a lot of others, I don't think that the spoilers sound bad and they're not keeping me from getting the game, but I've got to give props to the person for forcing ND's hand in releasing it sooner than it would have been otherwise... assuming that this is all true.

edit: didn't see the previous post; disregard what I said.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

The PS5 is backwards compatible, there's no reason to make it a PS5 game at all.

Let's just say that it is then what purpose would one need to buy one? It needs a selling point it would need something new to sell. Why buy a PS5 if it has no exclusives?

LoU2 was delayed with no reason given at all. Then footage/spoilers come out and then we find out it is finished and it is being released.....

The only logical explanation was that it was going to be a launch title for the PS5 and probably release a weaker version for the PS4 around Christmas time, similar to Twilight Princes on Wii then GC and BotW for Switch then Wii U.


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Naughty Dog should just give away The Last of Us 2 for free. That would be the most responsible thing to do at this point

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

Let's just say that it is then what purpose would one need to buy one? It needs a selling point it would need something new to sell. Why buy a PS5 if it has no exclusives?

LoU2 was delayed with no reason given at all. Then footage/spoilers come out and then we find out it is finished and it is being released.....

The only logical explanation was that it was going to be a launch title for the PS5 and probably release a weaker version for the PS4 around Christmas time, similar to Twilight Princes on Wii then GC and BotW for Switch then Wii U.

Additionally, releasing it towards the end of the year would make it a good holiday seller regardless of platform, especially since the delayed indefinitely indicator says there were no plans on releasing it during the relatively quiet summer season.

Sony was trying to maximize profits in a time where games are selling as better than ever. Its stupid, stupid, stupid

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ultimate reaver posted...

one angry gamer is the funniest website name ever because it has no idea how impotent it makes itself sound

this will always be the best

https://i.imgur.com/rMf3vgF.jpg

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

Let's just say that it is then what purpose would one need to buy one? It needs a selling point it would need something new to sell. Why buy a PS5 if it has no exclusives?

LoU2 was delayed with no reason given at all. Then footage/spoilers come out and then we find out it is finished and it is being released.....

The only logical explanation was that it was going to be a launch title for the PS5 and probably release a weaker version for the PS4 around Christmas time, similar to Twilight Princes on Wii then GC and BotW for Switch then Wii U.

It was delayed because of Covid. Whatever their exact logic was we could only speculate. If I were to guess they were worried about losing money on physical sales and supply chains being disrupted.

If there wasn't this pandemic it would have been releasing on time.

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I have to agree with the leaker on this issue.

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Delirious_Beard posted...

this will always be the best

https://i.imgur.com/rMf3vgF.jpg

Cant tell if Poe.
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Darmik posted...

It was delayed because of Covid. Whatever their exact logic was we could only speculate. If I were to guess they were worried about losing money on physical sales and supply chains being disrupted.

If there wasn't this pandemic it would have been releasing on time.

I don't believe this at all video games have been selling well even during this pandemic. They have people who look into this as well. FF7R sold 3.5million. In one months time and in Japan AC New Horizon outsold Smash already a game that has been out a year and a half. Video game sales are thriving using Covid as a poor sales excuse makes no sense at all either. They have people who look into this stuff. I only used those two as examples since they're exclusives(for now in FF7R) and recently released during this pandemic. You can easily assume that LoU2 would get around the same amount of sales.


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Fake af

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Darmik posted...

It was delayed because of Covid. Whatever their exact logic was we could only speculate. If I were to guess they were worried about losing money on physical sales and supply chains being disrupted.

If there wasn't this pandemic it would have been releasing on time.

No other game seems to have a problem releasing on time.

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Whenever there's problems with a video game, I just sit around waiting for someone to be a GamerGate dumb-ass about it, and my expectations are always met.

This also applies to when there aren't problems with a video game, though, and I can never tell which is which.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

No other game seems to have a problem releasing on time.

Yup that's what makes me believe it was going to be postponed for the PS5 check post #138 even used current exclusive games as examples

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

Yup that's what makes me believe it was going to be postponed for the PS5 check post #138 even used current exclusive games as examples

I agree that there exists a possibility that it is being held back for PS5. I'm just saying if that is what is actually happening then it is empirical proof that the employees are being paid and not just "I spoke to some guys at ND"

Now we don't have proof that it is being delayed for that reason, but if it was, that makes things better, not worse, for ND.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

No other game seems to have a problem releasing on time.

I refer m'learned friend to my sig.

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Biscotti posted...

I refer m'learned friend to my sig.

GRRM can't even fucking write the next book of ASOIAF. I'm not holding my breath for his video game.

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Naughty Dog is trash and their game is going to bomb. It probably would have bombed regardless, but it makes me happy that an employee fought back

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I agree that there exists a possibility that it is being held back for PS5. I'm just saying if that is what is actually happening then it is empirical proof that the employees are being paid and not just "I spoke to some guys at ND"

Now we don't have proof that it is being delayed for that reason, but if it was, that makes things better, not worse, for ND.

Employees wouldn't get the bonuses until the game came out, which would have meant until the PS5 came out. It makes sense with what is being said in the 1st post.


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El Mexicano Texano posted...

Employees wouldn't get the bonuses until the game came out, which would have meant until the PS5 came out. It makes sense with what is being said in the 1st post.

It's a pretty big stretch to go from "furloughed" to "just not getting a bonus" and in most cases bonuses are at end of FY anyway. They're not going to just keep a steady stream of bonus checks going as the game sells more and more. They're going to wait for the game to sell as much as possible within the FY and then award a bonus.

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https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-04-27-the-last-of-us-part-2-leaked-online

Naughtu dog found out who leaked it. It's not an employee of naughty dog or sony.

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