Poll of the Day > "I hate cops!"

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"But vigilantism is wrong and should stay illegal."

>:|

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Its almost like theyre criticizing a system that protects bad cops and shields them from the consequences of their actions when they break protocol and kill people.

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I hate cops as a whole, but I'll admit there is many good cops out there

And I do support vigilante justice but it can definitely have a downside

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so much for the tolerant left, they wont even let me shoot ppl for jaywalking

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Solid Sonic posted...

"But vigilantism is wrong and should stay illegal."

>:|

Maybe they're just pro-crime.

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PK_Spam posted...

Its almost like theyre criticizing a system that protects bad cops and shields them from the consequences of their actions when they break protocol and kill people.

Right?

It's almost like the reasons people say they hate cops and vigilantism has overlaps or something.

Muscles posted...

And I do support vigilante justice

of course you do

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Mead posted...

of course you do

Look I'd honestly be lying if I didn't get a certain satisfaction when a proven child molester got their ass beat.

But the problem with vigilante justice is it's too prone to mob mentality issues, and going after people (many times killing) with little to no proof over things that don't warant it.

The problem with cops is the sheer number of them being people who have power trip issues and domestic violence issues and stuff like that having that kind of power and getting away with shitty stuff just because they're police. If we want to condemn vigilantism, we need to be able to hold officers to a higher standard. Period.

Too many stupid people on the planet for me to endorse vigilantism.

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Joker_X_II posted...

Too many stupid people on the planet for me to endorse vigilantism.

Yet that same problem can apply to cops.

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Muscles posted...

I hate cops as a whole, but I'll admit there is many good cops out there

And I do support vigilante justice but it can definitely have a downside

The whole Good Cop / Bad Cop question can be disposed of much more decisively. We need not enumerate what proportion of cops appears to be good or listen to someone's anecdote about his uncle Charlie, an allegedly good cop.
We need only consider the following:

• A cop's job is to enforce the laws, all of them;
• Many of the laws are manifestly unjust, and some are even cruel and wicked;
• Therefore every cop has to agree to act as an enforcer for laws that are manifestly unjust or even cruel and wicked.

There are no good cops. - Robert Higgs

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BADoglick posted...

The whole Good Cop / Bad Cop question can be disposed of much more decisively. We need not enumerate what proportion of cops appears to be good or listen to someone's anecdote about his uncle Charlie, an allegedly good cop.
We need only consider the following:
* A cop's job is to enforce the laws, all of them;
* Many of the laws are manifestly unjust, and some are even cruel and wicked;
* Therefore every cop has to agree to act as an enforcer for laws that are manifestly unjust or even cruel and wicked.
There are no good cops. - Robert Higgs

Good cops exist, they usually don't enforce the rules for petty bs. They are cops that will be helpful to the average person, they may not be perfect pawns but being strickly by the books leads to terrible things. The system is fucked up, but good cops do exist, they are just a minority to the corrupt assholes and by the books regardless of circumstances assholes

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Solid Sonic posted...

"But vigilantism is wrong and should stay illegal."

>:|

Real world vigilantism usually involves hate crimes.

Real world "superheroes" are usually let off the hook dozens of times until they finally realize they are silly people and give up.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Can we NOT have POTD become CE2? Is shitposting and other fun topics REALLY that hard to do here?

Thats RI.

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I've found that most people who say they hate cops will call them at the drop of a hat

OhhhJa posted...

I've found that most people who say they hate cops will call them at the drop of a hat

I've called them twice my entire life, and definitely not at the drop of a hat.

And one of the times they tried to force us to talk to the person who wouldn't leave our home (well apt technically) and we'd had to lock out when they went for a smoke.

So not really, and even when we did need them they didn't want to do anything about the problem.

To clarify too the person contributed literally nothing despite constantly bragging about making stupid money, wasn't on the lease, and went out of their way to try to manipulate everyone around them. Not being on the lease gave them no legal weight, and they hadn't even claimed it was their place in any way.

You criticize society, but yet you exist in it hmmmm???? What a hypocrisy!!!!!!

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TheSlinja posted...

You criticize society, but yet you exist in it hmmmm???? What a hypocrisy!!!!!!

I mean, if you're gonna walk around saying acab then put your money where your mouth is

BADoglick posted...

The whole Good Cop / Bad Cop question can be disposed of much more decisively. We need not enumerate what proportion of cops appears to be good or listen to someone's anecdote about his uncle Charlie, an allegedly good cop.
We need only consider the following:
* A cop's job is to enforce the laws, all of them;
* Many of the laws are manifestly unjust, and some are even cruel and wicked;
* Therefore every cop has to agree to act as an enforcer for laws that are manifestly unjust or even cruel and wicked.
There are no good cops. - Robert Higgs

Some of the problems with the quote's assessment is that it conflates "good cop" with "good person," makes subjective claims about whether laws are just (as well as what is or isn't cruel), and wrongly assumes that good people never do bad things.

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Muscles posted...

Good cops exist, they usually don't enforce the rules for petty bs. They are cops that will be helpful to the average person, they may not be perfect pawns but being strickly by the books leads to terrible things. The system is fucked up, but good cops do exist, they are just a minority to the corrupt assholes and by the books regardless of circumstances assholes

'If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.'-Desmond Tutu

Zeus posted...

Some of the problems with the quote's assessment is that it conflates "good cop" with "good person," makes subjective claims about whether laws are just (as well as what is or isn't cruel), and wrongly assumes that good people never do bad things.

1. A good cop is a good person. If your definition of 'good' is 'efficient at their job's, you're missing the point entirely
2. There's nothing subjective about enforcing nonviolent 'crimes'. I know people deride libertarians for throwing the NAP out like it's a DBZ move, but it's clear who is the aggressor in literally every situation where a person is confronted by police for a victimless 'crime'. That's very much objective, not subjective.
3. It's ok to not be perfect. It's not ok to participate in a cruel and unjust system and then go 'oh well I don't make the rules I just enforce them'. That same excuse didn't work for the nazis at Nuremberg, doesn't sway me here.

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BADoglick posted...

1. A good cop is a good person. If your definition of 'good' is 'efficient at their job's, you're missing the point entirely

Completely wrong, because then you wouldn't say "good cop" you'd simply say "good person." And most of the "bad cops" people complain about are ones who break those laws and thereby don't properly fulfill their function.

BADoglick posted...

2. There's nothing subjective about enforcing nonviolent 'crimes'. I know people deride libertarians for throwing the NAP out like it's a DBZ move, but it's clear who is the aggressor in literally every situation where a person is confronted by police for a victimless 'crime'. That's very much objective, not subjective.

There's something very subjective -- and also very wrong -- in pretending that because it involves a nonviolent crime the law is unjust.

BADoglick posted...

3. It's ok to not be perfect. It's not ok to participate in a cruel and unjust system and then go 'oh well I don't make the rules I just enforce them'. That same excuse didn't work for the nazis at Nuremberg, doesn't sway me here.

Oh lawdy lawdy lawd... You might want to table that until the US government is actively engaging in widescale genocide because right now it just looks silly.

More importantly, you're also actively participating in that same system by choosing to live in the system and supporting that system (directly, assuming you pay taxes).

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