Board 8 > JoJo Mafia Topic 5: Vento Aureo

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So I think the 4th scum is going to be someone under the radar, or maybe Corrik.

My thinking is, why did scum not block Abacus? Perhaps the answer to that is scum wanted the bomber to be found, and was confidant abacus wasnt going to scan the last scum member.

Seems odd but plausible.

Alternatively Corrik is telling the truth and sceptile was the blocker but without Lea being blocked I dont know if that is possible.

Something to keep in mind, Could mean the last scum is Ben or something.

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changmas posted...

Does a scanned 3rd party bomber scan as scum? I'm only familiar with Town of Salem where Serial Killer scans guilty/suspicious but arsonist (which seems more closely related to a bomber) scans innocent. Is that information known? I'm trying to look on the mafiascum wiki but I can't even find a "serial bomber" role on there

Impossible to tell.

the fun part of message board mafia is hosts can do whatever the hell they want. I once ran a mafia where I had skill trees.

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masterplum posted...

My thinking is, why did scum not block Abacus? Perhaps the answer to that is scum wanted the bomber to be found, and was confidant abacus wasnt going to scan the last scum member.

The only logical reason for this line of logic (that the mafia WANTS the bomber to be found) would be if mafia are fairly certain that one of them currently has a bomb on them, right?

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Isn't it far more likely that the scum roleblocker is somehow unable to use their roleblock every night? Like it's conditional, or limited, or something along those lines? I believe Abacus is the only town member who has been roleblocked on any night, correct?

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changmas posted...

Isn't it far more likely that the scum roleblocker is somehow unable to use their roleblock every night? Like it's conditional, or limited, or something along those lines? I believe Abacus is the only town member who has been roleblocked on any night, correct?

To our knowledge, that is.

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changmas posted...

Isn't it far more likely that the scum roleblocker is somehow unable to use their roleblock every night? Like it's conditional, or limited, or something along those lines? I believe Abacus is the only town member who has been roleblocked on any night, correct?

I havent seen a non every night roleblocker in a long long time. Very rare. Roleblockers are important for scum to break up the bad gameplay of the cop claiming D1 so the doc saves him every night

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As far as why scum would want the scan to go off.... Idk

We havent seen really smart technical play from scum here as it appears two of their shots were doc saved and sceptile could have suicided into puns smoother.

Mostly just something to keep in mind

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masterplum posted...

I havent seen a non every night roleblocker in a long long time. Very rare. Roleblockers are important for scum to break up the bad gameplay of the cop claiming D1 so the doc saves him every night

Got it; that makes sense. So maybe the roleblocker is looking for (or has found) the doctor instead?

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changmas posted...

Got it; that makes sense. So maybe the roleblocker is looking for (or has found) the doctor instead?

They would just kill the doctor then

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masterplum posted...

They would just kill the doctor then

Oh. Duh.

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Alternatively Sceptile could be the bomber and could be a role where hammering town causes a random town to die. Would explain why he was so desperate to hammer and blow his cover, and why such a random person like IGCD was blown up. Who knows, there's like infinite possibilities.

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I do think Damion is more likely to be roleblocker though

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Sorry guys, I've had an extremely busy 36 hours and I'm having trouble keeping up. If someone wouldn't mind explaining a few things I'd appreciate it.

I'm seeing that IGCD is scum somehow even though he flipped town?

Sceptile apparently claimed scum and I missed it?

Damion is apparently third party bomb layer?

I think those are the key points
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I don't remember anyone saying IGCD was scum?

There was a post where Sceptile was basically like "I know this looks bad" and did a joke video, I guess that's where the claim was? Along with the last minute no explanation hammer.

Damion is suspect, no idea. Though my scan said he appeared town.


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ViolentAbacus posted...

Damion is suspect, no idea. Though my scan said he appeared town.

Wait, WHAT

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ViolentAbacus posted...

Poor MZero :(

Anyway, Damion appears to be Scum

Hello am i reading this correctly

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Appeared town now?

You said scum.

Also, we don't have a doctor. I am your doctor with Mzero

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Corrik7 posted...

Okay.

##unvote:
##vote: Puns

See there is one thing with having a good excuse to not be here. Or at least one. It is another to think the entire game should have to accept your not playing for whatever reason. Damion at least realized this and claimed for his inactivity. To think you can give nothing at all to the game and also are above the game in regards to claiming is another.

Ew I was just looking back at yesterday.

Corrik doesn't vote Puns for being scum, but for playing badly. At the same time he defends Damion, not necessarily for being town.

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Oh wait

I meant scum

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I'm gonna assume that wasa typo since he's said twice today "Damion appeared scum"

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If I could edit I would, was thinking abuot how he could be town and accidently wrote it.

BUT he definitely appeared to be scum

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PunishedBen posted...

Ew I was just looking back at yesterday.

Corrik doesn't vote Puns for being scum, but for playing badly. At the same time he defends Damion, not necessarily for being town.

Welcome to Day 3, Ben!

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Ok, I must have misread the IGCD thing. I went back and tried to find it but couldn't. Disregard that entirely.

I get that Abacus scanned Damion scum. What are the odds scum team had a Jack with a single use RB, single use Framer, and single use something that isn't a kill? Just suggesting it as a possibility. I'm fine with a Damion lynch today but we are rapidly running out of mislynches.

Still not sure where Scept claimed scum
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Oh, and if Corrik is telling the truth about his role but lying about his alignment we can't trust any of Abacus's scans.
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You paint a much different picture than the game presents to us, bolt.

12 left, likely 9 -3.

We are well ahead right now.

And, you don't know where Scept claimed scum?

His two posts are his explanation being "You fell for it" and "Set us up the bomb".

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Sceptilesolar posted...

I know this looks bad. But I have a perfectly good explanation for what happened. And it's going to crack the whole game wide open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTW4sIL9Dpw

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And Sceptile admitting he's scum with Damion claiming he was framed really makes me feel like Sceptile's rule is useless or already used up...

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PunishedBen posted...

And Sceptile admitting he's scum with Damion claiming he was framed really makes me feel like Sceptile's rule is useless or already used up...

I am just hoping HB didn't allow the scum team to guess the lynch with bombs and they put a bomb on sceptile. (Which would be a bastard game then). However, Mzero's flip generally makes this unlikely as his role to defuse bombs insinuates that a bomb has time for mzero to defuse it.

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Corrik7 posted...

I am just hoping HB didn't allow the scum team to guess the lynch with bombs and they put a bomb on sceptile. (Which would be a bastard game then). However, Mzero's flip generally makes this unlikely as his role to defuse bombs insinuates that a bomb has time for mzero to defuse it.

Oh yeah. I forgot about mzero. That kills all of my theory from earlier lol

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The bomb cant be a simple 1day timer, since someone should have blown up before IGCD (Unless it was either Scare who got the bomb, or the bomb only explodes after 2 days/nights/whatever)

Hmm
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Ok, deadass thought the Scept post about "You fell for it" was Lea and the set us up post was memeing. "Someone set us up the bomb" is a meme line from the whole All Your Base Are Belong To Us thing.

My first thought would be if Scept was that blatant as scum he'd be modkilled for not playing to win? But then I immediately dismissed that because it could be a valid play for a number of reasons. Scept definitely looking really, really bad.

Corrik7 posted...

You paint a much different picture than the game presents to us, bolt.

12 left, likely 9 -3.

We mislynch today and another bomb goes off. Scum gets a night kill. We wake up tomorrow with a 6-3 game to solve. I didn't say we are out of mislynches, I said we are running out. We are in a situation where 3 townies could die a day if we fuck up bad.

That said, I am doubting we mislynch today. Scept at least seems like a slam dunk. Damion scanned scum and atm we don't have a solid reason to disbelieve that. I am urging caution and planning, not inaction.
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Corrik7 posted...

I am just hoping HB didn't allow the scum team to guess the lynch with bombs and they put a bomb on sceptile. (Which would be a bastard game then). However, Mzero's flip generally makes this unlikely as his role to defuse bombs insinuates that a bomb has time for mzero to defuse it.

Alright well this seems like the perfect opportunity to reveal what I've been mulling over all day given that it appears today is my only chance to actually use my power. Subtle persuasion didn't seem to be getting where I wanted to go so....

I am Joseph Joestar, TOWN Predictor. My stand is Hermit Purple.

"Next you'll say, "What is a Predictor?""

Each night, I can predict the following day's lynch. Whenever I correctly predict the lynch, I earn a 1-shot kill to use at night.

Thus far, I haven't been correct yet, but today I have predicted a Sceptile lynch and I would intend to shoot Damion tonight. So there is a large incentive for me to want Sceptile lynched today. I know it's likely that I get roleblocked and killed by revealing this BUT I'm hopeful we have some town roles to (somehow) save me.

I wasn't entirely sure if it was the right play to reveal, but scum numbers are dwindling and I think my ability becomes significantly less useful after today.

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Thats pretty interesting/....
Who did you predict day1 and day2?
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htaeD posted...

Thats pretty interesting/....
Who did you predict day1 and day2?

Night 0: Corrik (picked randomly)
Night 1: Sceptile
Night 2: Damion (since he was afk all day)
Night 3: Sceptile

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Btw about Damions voting habits.
He did not vote at all day2, because he did not post at all. He voted with the crowd on Puns day3
But day1 was... odd
In that he voted on players nobody else voted for.

Abacus
Chang
and then IGCD.

Very suspicious.

And all he gave as an explanation at the time was..

I voted Chang for the same reasons I voted abacus for. I just haven't seen a Lynch I felt strongly enough to Chang to and have been too lazy to unvote

And he gave no explanation at all for voting IGCD
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changmas posted...

Night 0: Corrik (picked randomly)
Night 1: Sceptile
Night 2: Damion (since he was afk all day)
Night 3: Sceptile

Why did you choose who you did. This seems very random and very without actual reasoning. You can ignore night 0.

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Night 0 action huh

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This sounds a lot like the role in Death note including the random night 0 that no one else was informed of haha. I believe it.

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Eh...

I'll stick with damion

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PunishedBen posted...

This sounds a lot like the role in Death note including the random night 0 that no one else was informed of haha. I believe it.

Mzero's role is literally my fake claim for a few games ago. HB has clearly taken the past games into account in making his roles. Possessor is also a role from a few games ago, just a town version of it. Predictor is also a town version of a scum role.

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Corrik7 posted...

Why did you choose who you did. This seems very random and very without actual reasoning. You can ignore night 0.

Sure.

N1: I picked Sceptile because I didn't like the way he was playing and others (Han mainly) had also pointed out their suspicion of him. I made multiple posts about that on D1 and had sat with my vote on him for most of the day before switching to Red at the very end. Also, he had a ton of unique voters on him at different points throughout the day, so I thought it was decently likely that he would be lynched the following day.

N2: Damion was afk for all of Day 2 and got a sizeable number of votes, and after the second day in a row where everyone left Sceptile at the last second for some other train I felt like that was a trend that might continue on Day 3.

N3: I picked Sceptile because of the hammer. At that point I was pretty much 100% confident that he was scum and looked like the surest bet for a lynch.

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I mean, if we killed Sceptile then the only thing to stop Damion dying is potentially chang getting roleblocked, but then that diverts the roleblock away from Abacus. So win win? And dont shots still go off when a vig is nightkilled?

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Corrik7 posted...

Mzero's role is literally my fake claim for a few games ago. HB has clearly taken the past games into account in making his roles. Possessor is also a role from a few games ago, just a town version of it. Predictor is also a town version of a scum role.

So what you're saying is, there's at least one motion detector out there!

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PunishedBen posted...

I mean, if we killed Sceptile then the only thing to stop Damion dying is potentially chang getting roleblocked, but then that diverts the roleblock away from Abacus. So win win? And dont shots still go off when a vig is nightkilled?

Well, in theory, you guys figure out who scum is today with a mass claim and I can divert the other scum. If it's a roleblocker, I divert him to the Night kill.

The kills I am guessing are generally different with my role though otherwise I am OP.

Thus, I am assuming that maybe the night kill last night was an EXTRA KILL. Bombs are possibly their real method of killing which are target bombs if a town person is lynched they put it on.

I dunno.

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If Chang's role has infinite use then that is pretty OP. But I ain't complaining

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It is really hard to predict who will be lynched, Ben. We couldn't achieve a correct lynch prediction as scum as a whole in our game, even with being able to predict ourselves.

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I don't... Disbelieve the role, but I don't know if I believe it enough to Lynch sceptile over damion

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PunishedBen posted...

If Chang's role has infinite use then that is pretty OP. But I ain't complaining

I thought so at first too but the more I thought about it the more-double edged it becomes. It's been pretty hard to predict the lynch (and in this case, I believed the only way to do so correctly was to reveal myself), and then the vig shot in itself is only useful when I actually know who scum is. If I start to push too hard on lynches just to earn my 1-shot kill and I'm shooting every night I could end up killing town left and right.

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