Current Events > CNN: Men die more from coronavirus, but the real victims are women.

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1264980497849036801

Yikes

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Is this like the women lose their husbands/sons in war thing?

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Is this like the women lose their husbands/sons in war thing?

being a dependa is the hardest job in the military, you know....

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*black people

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SimpNN

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in many other ways


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How did CNN go from one of the most respected news networks in the world to... this?

When I was a kid CNN was considered the serious news outlet for grown ups.

Now it's a toothpick away from being Buzzfeed.
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how exactly do women get paid less than men? When you apply for a job don't you get same payrate as anyone else applying for the same position?

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Yeah, that's not what they said at all you goober. They're pointing out that far more women are involved in combating it (this is true), and that they make less money than their male counterparts while doing it (also true). But you looked at this data and thought to yourself "but how do I make this about myself?"

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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

how exactly do women get paid less than men? When you apply for a job don't you get same payrate as anyone else applying for the same position?

The average woman in a hospital is a nurse. The average man in a hospital is a doctor, what CNN is doing by ignoring that fact is not journalism its devious.

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That's deceptive, they're grouping secretaries, nurses, techs, with doctors and admins. The gap isn't in pay, but positions.

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CNN used to be somewhat respectable, its really embarrassing to see them making fools of themselves.

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"Global health and social sector"

Nice try, WHO.

Why did the onion stop making new parody vids? Because CNN ate their lunch.

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This is a perfectly fair premise for an article. It says nothing to diminish the tragedy of men losing their lives. It simply acknowledges how Covid-19 aggravates economic divides already faced by women.

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Omega Hunter posted...

The average woman in a hospital is a nurse. The average man in a hospital is a doctor, what CNN is doing by ignoring that fact is not journalism its devious.

ssjevot posted...

That's deceptive, they're grouping secretaries, nurses, techs, with doctors and admins. The gap isn't in pay, but positions.

It literally says there's an 11% gap left when accounting for equal job titles????

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accounting for equal jobs and hours, at that.

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EnragedSlith posted...

Yeah, that's not what they said at all you goober. They're pointing out that far more women are involved in combating it (this is true), and that they make less money than their male counterparts while doing it (also true). But you looked at this data and thought to yourself "but how do I make this about myself?"

He'd also be crying if they didn't give the nod they did to men dying more.
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Now this is a CE topic.

Won't someone PLEASE think of the men!?

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Doe posted...

It literally says there's an 11% gap left when accounting for equal job titles????

Certainly didn't say that in the tweet. They went with the biggest number in the tweet because it's good clickbait.

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CNN is the single mother who goes on Facebook rants every Father's day about how she is the mother and the father

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ssjevot posted...

That's deceptive, they're grouping secretaries, nurses, techs, with doctors and admins. The gap isn't in pay, but positions.

They do mention that at the bottom of the graphic. They show how much of the gap is a result of different positions and how much a due to number of hours worked. It leaves about an 11% gap. Some would say this is partially due to salary negotiation, but I suspect a big factor they are overlooking is number of years of experience. That would need to be looked at.

NeoShadowhen posted...

They do mention that at the bottom of the graphic. They show how much of the gap is a result of different positions and how much a due to number of hours worked. It leaves about an 11% gap. Some would say this is partially due to salary negotiation, but I suspect a big factor they are overlooking is number of years of experience. That would need to be looked at.

I didn't see the graphic before, only the text. Yeah it does mention that, but I still feel the text is deceptive and clickbaity. That graph uses pretty small text at the bottom too (I had to actually go to Twitter to read it). Though that's just how media is now, it's all about sensationalism.

That 11% is averaged across many countries it seems too. Pay discrimination varies a lot by country.

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At least they mention that the real number is 11%, but then why pretend in the text that it's 28%?

11% is an issue. No need to lie.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

At least they mention that the real number is 11%, but then why pretend in the text that it's 28%?

11% is an issue. No need to lie.

Depends on what makes up the 11%.

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Article also mentions spikes in domestic abuse during the lockdown and the fact that women have lost 55% of the jobs in the US compared to 45% for men.

Ill go no further than this but imagine thinking life as a girl is anything but easy mode in 2020.

ssjevot posted...

That 11% is averaged across many countries it seems too. Pay discrimination varies a lot by country.

How exactly does it vary by country? I'm curious. I tried looking up the data on the WHO site, but I'm getting an error. 'The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.' Lame.

Studies like this are often/always bullshit since they dont factor in everything that they should.
Im certain there are a few businesses that have sexist hiring practices but its certainly not even 1%

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Making less money is worse than death

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NotYou posted...

How exactly does it vary by country? I'm curious. I tried looking up the data on the WHO site, but I'm getting an error. 'The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.' Lame.

Here is OECD data:
https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/gender-wage-gap.htm

It varies a lot.

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The guy who emphasized the "in many other ways" passed reading comprehension in elementary school and is basically the smartest poster in the topic.

The story is about the many other impacts covid has beyond mortality rates.

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furb posted...

The guy who emphasized the "in many other ways" passed reading comprehension in elementary school and is basically the smartest poster in the topic.

Not really since he's the only one who didn't notice how it belittles people actually dying.

I think CNN wants the following:

Men vs. Women
Masks vs. Unmasked
Black vs. White
Republican vs. Democrat
Church vs. State

But the same can be said about Fox News lol. I think it's just that age ol' phenomena: as chaos grows, ratings grow.

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More men die in wars, but the primary victims have always been the women who lose husbands, sons, etc

The novel coronavirus seems to be more deadly for men. But in many other ways, women are bearing the brunt of this pandemic.

It should have been changed to something like this:

The novel coronavirus appears to be more deadly for men. But women are still facing unique difficulties during this pandemic.

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EnragedSlith posted...

Yeah, that's not what they said at all you goober. They're pointing out that far more women are involved in combating it (this is true), and that they make less money than their male counterparts while doing it (also true). But you looked at this data and thought to yourself "but how do I make this about myself?"

Its naive to think CNN is not trying to push a particular message, which is that women are the victims of oppression, regardless of the context. You can see it in the words they chose such as bear the brunt of, instead of something noble like leading the fight against or at least neutral like experiencing increased mortality. Aside from that, few media want to acknowledge that women choose to pursue certain medical or social service fields, despite the challenges such as long hours and lower pay. They deny womens agency in this.

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RunAwayCaterpie posted...

It should have been changed to something like this:

The novel coronavirus appears to be more deadly for men. But women are still facing unique difficulties during this pandemic.

Why not "Women are facing unique difficulties during this pandemic."

Regardless of the ingenuousness of this information, the primary goal of this article from the headline alone is to be divisive.


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This is what happens when you squeeze every single thing through a progressive filter.

"How can we have our pet groups be the victim more in these trying times?"

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Why not "Women are facing unique difficulties during this pandemic."

Regardless of the ingenuousness of this information, the primary goal of this article from the headline alone is to be divisive.

I feel like people would complain about the article ignoring the increased risk of death for men.

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Anyone whose been in the workforce for years knows men do not "automatically" have a higher salary or a higher ranking position. Most (but not all) of my superiors have been women... from my most basic high school jobs, college jobs and out into corporate America.

The only people who can't figure it out are the ones who haven't worked a day in their lives and are trying to write about it.

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Ugh

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Annihilated posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

CNN is the single mother who goes on Facebook rants every Father's day about how she is the mother and the father

heh

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*woman kicks man in then balls full force*
*man loses a nut*

CNN: poor woman, she is the victim, his testicle broke her stiletto!