Current Events > Angry Joe being Metooed on twitter.

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This sounds pretty bad for Joe. He jumped to conclusions and pushed as hard as he could, using various pick-up tricks. I think most would've thought it was a real date / hook up, but Joe was very aggressive to the point where he crossed the line (barely). Pushing against the wall was too much.

I think that Joe had no clue and felt like everything was all set for him.

I need more details about "hiding" the bag. I felt like there were quite a few exaggerations due to building fear affecting her perspective/interpretation. I could imagine her being scared and Joe being clueless, thinking the opposite.

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Bass_X0 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2o1yPmAmNo

Why

Musourenka posted...

Angry Joe's thoughts on this:

https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1274954309164294147?s=19

https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1275091979085455361?s=19

So much for the whole apology route he could've easily taken. Now he just caused this drama to drag out even longer. What a child

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Background_Guy posted...

Sorry, I'm against infantilizing and demeaning women. I consider them fully capable adults, and I hope that some day you might consider that as well.

Dude, stop. Theres not a single person in the room with a triple digit IQ who doesn't see right through your disingenuous nonsense.

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Tactical_Spork posted...

ok ok women -might- be victims of sexual violence about it but they should still shut up about it

nice one

What act of sexual violence did he commit against her?

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Propane4Sale posted...

So much for the whole apology route he could've easily taken. Now he just caused this drama to drag out even longer. What a child

What does he need to apologize for?

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https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

Theres a reason why this jaded dialogue is a brilliant piece of dark comedy...this is a parody of a situation that happens everyday

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Propane4Sale posted...

So much for the whole apology route he could've easily taken. Now he just caused this drama to drag out even longer. What a child

Yes imagine defending yourself strongly against allegations like that. He should just curl up in a ball and beg forgiveness for things he may not have even done.

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Propane4Sale posted...

So much for the whole apology route he could've easily taken. Now he just caused this drama to drag out even longer. What a child

I guess everyone is just guilty because someone said they were?

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BeantownHero posted...

https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

Theres a reason why this jaded dialogue is a brilliant piece of dark comedy...this is a parody of a situation that happens everyday

Dont bother. They'll think the joke is that Mac doesnt get it.

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BeantownHero posted...

...do you know anything about sexual assault? I'm sincerely asking.

Posting nonsense to distract from your statements, smh.

ZEROWOLF posted...

https://twitter.com/Fisstech/status/1274604005885427713?s=19

1) Who? Dude has 682 followers. Are you one of them or are you him?

2) The thing that I love about all of this stories is that the angriest virtue-signalers will inevitably wind up being accused in a #MeToo story themselves at some point.

Otherwise it's a long fucking article. There's a bunch of stuff where it's being pushy while hitting on her, so I just skipping around to see what the core complaint was and... as far as I can tell, it was him confronting her about her intentions? The dude was hitting on her, she acknowledging knowing he was hitting on her, and -- at the point up until I stopped reading -- hadn't once mentioned not being interested in him. She doesn't even tell him she has a boyfriend. So she's complaining about him complaining about feeling like she led him on? >_>

MC_BatCommander posted...

She DMed him first, accepted his invitation to his panel, then let him lead her around town including into his hotel room... All the while neglecting to say she was in a relationship and also ignoring every ample opportunity to simply walk away from him.

Idk, he was definitely a weirdo in this situation but he probably thought she was into him and she gave him no reason to think otherwise.

Yeah, I don't fucking get it. He suspected she could be interested in him, he very clearly expressed his interest, she didn't say anything to let him know she wasn't interested until the end of their interaction, and he was annoyed because he felt like she had done it deliberately, which doesn't seem unreasonable given all of the opportunities she acknowledges where she could have mentioned having a boyfriend.

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The_Shard posted...

What does he need to apologize for?

Vyrulisse posted...

Yes imagine defending yourself strongly against allegations like that. He should just curl up in a ball and beg forgiveness for things he may not have even done.

Come on, that was like the WORST initial response ever to make for those kind of accusations. All he had to do was play it safe, say whatever he had to say sensibly and defend himself/apologize and that would've been that.

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pinky0926 posted...

Dude, stop. Theres not a single person in the room with a triple digit IQ who doesn't see right through your disingenuous nonsense.

Male supremacists acting smug

Propane4Sale posted...

Come on, that was like the WORST initial response ever to make for those kind of accusations. All he had to do was play it safe, say whatever he had to say sensibly and defend himself/apologize and that would've been that.

So if he is innocent, how do you think he should have defended himself.

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Propane4Sale posted...

Come on, that was like the WORST initial response ever to make for those kind of accusations. All he had to do was play it safe, say whatever he had to say sensibly and defend himself/apologize and that would've been that.

True but I imagine he's pretty emotional as anyone would be if they were accused of that stuff.

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pinky0926 posted...

Dont bother. They'll think the joke is that Mac doesnt get it.

Unrelated to the situation in the original post, doesn't the existence of people who believe in "the implication" mean that you should view everyone who tries to get you onto their boat alone as scummy?


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cjsdowg posted...

So if he is innocent, how do you think he should have defended himself.

Tell his side of the story without throwing a tantrum?

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Background_Guy posted...

Posting nonsense to distract from your statements, smh.

women: teach men not to rape, so we dont have to risk our survival when objecting to their sexual advances

you: stop infantilizing women

ok

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itt power dynamics do not exist and do not affect social interactions

itt isolating someone and removing their resources for escape are not manipulative and predatory actions

itt intentionally making someone feel helpless and lost and bringing them into situations where you know they have to rely on you and trying to make yourself out to be their only ally while also discrediting and vilifying their existing social circle then attempting to guilt them into your will, with the help of wingmen no less, is not manipulative, predatory behavior that would make any ensuing sexual encounter coercive and thus rape

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Propane4Sale posted...

Tell his side of the story without throwing a tantrum?

he didn't throw a tantrum.

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Background_Guy posted...

Male supremacists acting smug

Yeah, imagine thinking that the act of acknowledging abuse of established power dynamics is misogyny

Are you also the guy that thinks pointing out acts of police brutality is demeaning to POC? That's pretty much how your argument works. Being an ally to women or even just acknowledging their experiences is...taking away their agency?

If I bash my head against an electric fence enough I'm sure it will make sense

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Im a little confused. He allegedly grabbed her and dragged her away from her friend, but later on when she tells him that her friend is drunk, he asks for his twitter handle because he doesnt believe this is a real person. How is he not aware of this person, when she has been hanging out with him the entire time?

Its also questionable to hide the fact that you have a boyfriend even when he came right out and asked about it. If she never thought of this as a romantic date, than it shouldnt be an issue.

pinky0926 posted...

Yeah, imagine thinking that the act of acknowledging abuse of established power dynamics is misogyny

Are you also the guy that thinks pointing out acts of police brutality is demeaning to POC? That's pretty much how your argument works. Being an ally to women or even just acknowledging their experiences is...taking away their agency?

If I bash my head against an electric fence enough I'm sure it will make sense

Treating women like babies with no agency is not "being an ally". It's asserting your control over them.

PSA: Lying about being in a relationship doesnt give one the right to be a hostile, aggressive asshole

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BeantownHero posted...

https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

Theres a reason why this jaded dialogue is a brilliant piece of dark comedy...this is a parody of a situation that happens everyday

Also a parody of a situation that happens every day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNVGWXBMol0


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Anteaterking posted...

Unrelated to the situation in the original post, doesn't the existence of people who believe in "the implication" mean that you should view everyone who tries to get you onto their boat alone as scummy?

You are probably going to be wary if a near toyal stranger guy invites you and your girlfriends on a boat, yes. This is one of those situations guys will be shocked to discover that women are going to be wary of as a default. Well, #notallmen

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Background_Guy posted...

Treating women like babies with no agency is not "being an ally". It's asserting your control over them.

This bad faith argument is nonsensical moron shit and you know it, you know how hopelessly fucking stupid your posts are and you are fishing for someone to tell you as much to troll.

So here you go. Get a better hobby.

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Background_Guy posted...

Treating women like babies with no agency is not "being an ally". It's asserting your control over them.

Keep rocking that woke feminism bro. The ladies love it when you disregard their stories and lived experiences with that macho tough love.

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looked posted...

Im a little confused. He allegedly grabbed her and dragged her away from her friend, but later on when she tells him that her friend is drunk, he asks for his twitter handle because he doesnt believe this is a real person. How is he not aware of this person, when she has been hanging out with him the entire time?

He's looking for an excuse at this point, it doesn't have to be rational. It's not like "Your friend will rape you come with me instead" is a logical thing for him to say either.

Also her friend is just another person in the crowd, it didn't seem in her account that he's paying enough attention to notice that person is with her.

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Vyrulisse posted...

True but I imagine he's pretty emotional as anyone would be if they were accused of that stuff.

I mean he's in a relationship with someone who knows what kind of dude he is personally and he's made that somewhat public for people to see so he had to have known he'd be given the benefit of the doubt. It's like the Kobe Bryant thing. He was accused of something worse but he knew the truth so kept cool denying it until he was cleared.

I'll also give him the benefit he's never been accused of harassment before so he's just reacting how usually does when he's angry or excited. Just Joe being Joe idk.

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Tactical_Spork posted...

This bad faith argument is nonsensical moron shit and you know it, you know how hopelessly fucking stupid your posts are and you are fishing for someone to tell you as much to troll.

So here you go. Get a better hobby.

Throwing a tantrum when your outdated beliefs are questioned, typical.

Which account are you gonna hop to when this one gets suspended

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Background_Guy posted...

Throwing a tantrum when your outdated beliefs are questioned, typical.

Why are you like this

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pinky0926 posted...

Keep rocking that woke feminism bro. The ladies love it when you disregard their stories and lived experiences with that macho tough love.

Internalized sexism is a major issue . Women are raised from birth to believe they are helpless and the playthings of men. Guys like you are trying very hard to maintain that view.

pinky0926 posted...

Why are you like this

Why do I believe women have the same cognitive ability as men? Personal experience, I guess. Maybe if you talked to more women you would realize that they don't need to be led around and protected all the time.

Sigh


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Musourenka posted...

Angry Joe's thoughts on this:

https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1274954309164294147?s=19

https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1275091979085455361?s=19

#Believewomen

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Background_Guy posted...

Why do I believe women have the same cognitive ability as men? Personal experience, I guess. Maybe if you talked to more women you would realize that they don't need to be led around and protected all the time.

I know you're just trolling, but it has less to do with "women can't handle it but men can" and more that women get put into the position far more often than men.

Like I've been in an uncomfortable situation before on a "date" that I felt too awkward about to get out of and ended up doing things I didn't really want to because it wasn't easy to just stand up and walk away. Like physically it was trivial to do that, but it was the sort of thing where I was trying to passively resolve the situation with the path of least resistance.

Now imagine that any situation where you're alone with a guy can develop into one of those situations because of cultural expectations.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1275186239713554439

This was much better. Also damn he's got lawyers ie. plural. I don't even have A lawyer lol.

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Anteaterking posted...

He's looking for an excuse at this point, it doesn't have to be rational. It's not like "Your friend will rape you come with me instead" is a logical thing for him to say either.

Also her friend is just another person in the crowd, it didn't seem in her account that he's paying enough attention to notice that person is with her.

Her story was that her and this friend went together to meet Joe, and he somehow grabbed her and said we have to go right now, and left the guy hanging. Its seems really odd that I couldve happened the way she described, yet he was unaware of this guy, and she didnt object?

Also it seems like he would be questioning his existence later on because that conversation happened after he overhead her talking to her boyfriend on the phone, and when he asked her about it point blank, she lied. Sure it was a dick move to keep pressing her on it, but he knew she was lying, and she admits she was lying.

Propane4Sale posted...

https://mobile.twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/1275186239713554439

This was much better. Also damn he's got lawyers ie. plural. I don't even have A lawyer lol.

Literally the most sensible aproach.

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I remember I once kissed a girl after spending like two hours talking with her over coffee. She was smiley and kind of shy, and I remember thinking the date was going really well.

She actually got pretty upset that Id kissed her, because shed never kissed anyone despite being 22 at the time, and argued with me about it for a few days after the fact. Like Id somehow forced myself on her and stolen that moment, when Id merely leaned in and pecked her on the lips as we hugged goodbye.

But what if I was up for some prestigious award and she came out and accused me of grabbing her after an uncomfortable two hours and forcing my lips on hers. She wouldnt technically be wrong if thats what happened from her perspective.

So the question is whether I was predatory for going in for a kiss I thought she wanted, in part, because she didnt stop me. People arguing in bad faith dont think theres even a question. And on the other end, its people who think all women are evil. So theres no arguing in these cases. Youre either fully supportive or youre a monster.

But a libelous public statement demands the conversation, and I honestly think attacking Joes reputation over an incident where no violence occurred is inappropriate. All these events are framed from the perspective of a meek individual in a way that makes them sound like calculated attempts to isolate her. It really just sounds like two socially awkward people learning to navigate boundaries. And judging by Joes response, this might be the first time hes heard this perspective and thought nothing serious had occurred.

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looked posted...

Her story was that her and this friend went together to meet Joe, and he somehow grabbed her and said we have to go right now, and left the guy hanging. Its seems really odd that I couldve happened the way she described, yet he was unaware of this guy, and she didnt object?

Also it seems like he would be questioning his existence later on because that conversation happened after he overhead her talking to her boyfriend on the phone, and when he asked her about it point blank, she lied. Sure it was a dick move to keep pressing her on it, but he knew she was lying, and she admits she was lying.

They attended his panel (along with many other people) and he grabbed her and went backstage before she asked about her friend.

Which, that interaction isn't sketchy, it would be expected unless you said otherwise that security isn't going to just let every person milling around also go backstage with him.

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When the initial framing of the story has to include ten mentions of her relative nicheness in the industry, I feel like something is inherently flawed with her take. I won't say that means anything she is saying is inherently false because of that, but it just stinks from the get go.

Anteaterking posted...

I know you're just trolling, but it has less to do with "women can't handle it but men can" and more that women get put into the position far more often than men.

Like I've been in an uncomfortable situation before on a "date" that I felt too awkward about to get out of and ended up doing things I didn't really want to because it wasn't easy to just stand up and walk away. Like physically it was trivial to do that, but it was the sort of thing where I was trying to passively resolve the situation with the path of least resistance.

Now imagine that any situation where you're alone with a guy can develop into one of those situations because of cultural expectations.

I have been in uncomfortable situations before. Sometimes I would stay, sometimes I would leave. Either way, I knew it was my choice because I'm a grown adult with fully developed physical and mental capabilities.

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...Uh dude, accounts are free. If you're paying for your account then clearly someone is scamming you.

MC_BatCommander posted...

She DMed him first, accepted his invitation to his panel, then let him lead her around town including into his hotel room... All the while neglecting to say she was in a relationship and also ignoring every ample opportunity to simply walk away from him.

Idk, he was definitely a weirdo in this situation but he probably thought she was into him and she gave him no reason to think otherwise.

This lol

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nemu posted...

When the initial framing of the story has to include ten mentions of her relative nicheness in the industry, I feel like something is inherently flawed with her take. I won't say that means anything she is saying is inherently false because of that, but it just stinks from the get go.

Tactical_Spork posted...

itt power dynamics do not exist and do not affect social interactions

itt isolating someone and removing their resources for escape are not manipulative and predatory actions

itt intentionally making someone feel helpless and lost and bringing them into situations where you know they have to rely on you and trying to make yourself out to be their only ally while also discrediting and vilifying their existing social circle then attempting to guilt them into your will, with the help of wingmen no less, is not manipulative, predatory behavior that would make any ensuing sexual encounter coercive and thus rape

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EnragedSlith posted...

I remember I once kissed a girl after spending like two hours talking with her over coffee. She was smiley and kind of shy, and I remember thinking the date was going really well.

She actually got pretty upset that Id kissed her, because shed never kissed anyone despite being 22 at the time, and argued with me about it for a few days after the fact. Like Id somehow forced myself on her and stolen that moment, when Id merely leaned in and pecked her on the lips as we hugged goodbye.

But what if I was up for some prestigious award and she came out and accused me of grabbing her after an uncomfortable two hours and forcing my lips on hers. She wouldnt technically be wrong if thats what happened from her perspective.

So the question is whether I was predatory for going in for a kiss I thought she wanted, in part, because she didnt stop me. People arguing in bad faith dont think theres even a question. And on the other end, its people who think all women are evil. So theres no arguing in these cases. Youre either fully supportive or youre a monster.

But a libelous public statement demands the conversation, and I honestly think attacking Joes reputation over an incident where no violence occurred is inappropriate. All these events are framed from the perspective of a meek individual in a way that makes them sound calculated. It really just sounds like two socially awkward people learning to navigate boundaries. And judging by Joes response, this might be the first time hes heard this perspective and thought nothing serious had occurred.

I think the conversation (in general, not simply this case) is coloured by the sheer, overwhelming problem that has existed for so long with no meaningful change: women get sexually assaulted all the time and almost never have any legal or social recourse for it. If guys think that some metoo stories on twitter is creating an unprecedented situation where someone could lie and ruin another person reputation, they come across a bit ignorant of the reality: even when women tell the truth, historically the only reputation that gets ruined is their own.

So yes, there can conceivably be times that women lie about an experience, or exaggerate, or maybe the consequences seem disproportionate. But it's also hard to take the arguments seriously from people who tirelessly point that stuff out when you know they never once seriously thought about the injustice of sexual assault accusations until men started to be actually called out.

It really does for me draw a lot of parallels with what is happening with BLM right now. Suddenly everyone is in a frenzy to show the good cops, and the times black people were the bad guys, and how white people can be victims too. All true points but brought up only to distract from the original problem that was highlighted.

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