Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 307: Tulsa Staggered

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SmartMuffin posted...

Neocon - libertarian - ancap - far right

Note that I still think AnCap is the best system, but is unsuited to an environment utterly dominated by hostile actors who wish violent harm upon me due to my race, gender, and beliefs.

So basically the same reason people of other races, genders, and beliefs have been saying forever as to why AnCap doesnt work
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It is difficult to hate someone you've never heard of. I will have to agree with every other person in this topic who isn't you and say "who"?

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Lmao you think radical leftists have tons of power? Funny you mention that, because let me check... oh right, far right governments and parties have more power today across the globe than they have at any point since ww2! Crazy how fucked up your perceptions are because oh no your feelings are hurt and your fiance cries herself to sleep.

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its really fascinating to me how we can both be straight white males and somehow have completely different experiences regarding hostile actors who wish violent harm upon me due to my race, gender, and beliefs.
Obviously our beliefs are very different, but somehow no one seems to wish violent harm upon me for my race or gender even though its exactly the same as yours.
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So basically the same reason people of other races, genders, and beliefs have been saying forever as to why AnCap doesnt work

Maybe! I mean, I think their characterization was wrong, and mine was right. But yes, if you live in a society where basically everyone thinks you are scum and wants you dead (or at least fully subjugated), then you probably shouldn't want that society to become more AnCap, that is correct.

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Remember that the biggest injustice Smuffin has faced in his life is having to postpone his wedding (with no financial hardship) in order to abide by health guidelines that literally every decent human being is trying to abide by. So of course, someone calling out his privilege is a sign of hatred and violence he has to suffer, because he doesn't know what actual hardship is.

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https://twitter.com/d_annny/status/1274846087027851264?s=19

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Jakyl25 posted...

So basically the same reason people of other races, genders, and beliefs have been saying forever as to why AnCap doesnt work

Ancap should devolve into open war pretty quickly.

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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1275283101548249088?s=19

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SmartMuffin posted...

if you live in a society where basically everyone thinks you are scum and wants you dead (or at least fully subjugated)

imagine being a straight cis white dude and actually believing this

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https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1275227308597612545?s=09

Also the white house is now banning press from premesis. No explanation has been given.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Also the white house is now banning press from premesis. No explanation has been given.

Wasn't there a thing recently of them suddenly canceling some scheduled meeting with no explanation, too?

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The police have been so quick to officially report these lynchings as suicides without even performing any medical followup that I'm starting to suspect the police are the ones doing the lynching.

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https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms

has this followup been posted yet? just another case of police officers blatantly making up persecution with no evidence whatsoever

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

The police have been so quick to officially report these lynchings as suicides without even performing any medical followup that I'm starting to suspect the police are the ones doing the lynching.

Well if the proud boys and KKK making public demonstrations without police interference is anything to go off of...


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changmas posted...

Well if the proud boys and KKK making public demonstrations without police interference is anything to go off of...

depends if you consider protection as interference

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I was aware of this at the time but just realized it was never brought up here. Guess he has a point!

https://twitter.com/decolonialatlas/status/1274866965497159681?s=19

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changmas posted...

https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms

has this followup been posted yet? just another case of police officers blatantly making up persecution with no evidence whatsoever

Literally that exact article was posted by me not too long ago while talking to Jakyl.

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Also, the State Senate republicans in Georgia tried to sneak additional protections for police into HB 838, including making crimes against cops considered "hate crimes". They removed them after they were called out on it, but still, how completely out of touch do you have to be to think that you could actually consider "being employed as a first responder" to be worthy of protected class consideration.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/support-flips-police-added-georgia-hate-crimes-bill-71391594

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1275283101548249088?s=19

I see Gary Hobson started working at the Onion. Still getting tomorrow's newspaper today.

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Calls for Georgia to remove itself from the list of four U.S. states without a hate crimes law

I...live here and didn't even know this.

I guess I just never considered the possibility that hate crime laws weren't at the federal level so I never even looked into it...

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I...live here and didn't even know this.

I guess I just never considered the possibility that hate crime laws weren't at the federal level so I never even looked into it...

yes it's terrible. i'll be moving back to Atlanta in August. what a joy to experience Georgia politics once again! :/

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So.

During a primary when voting in Kentucky has literally never been easier or more convenient, and the state is on pace for record voter turnout, people from outside the state have taken it upon themselves to decide that we are experiencing unprecedented levels of voter suppression. Social media warriors spread this falsehood which made people from other parts of the country start flooding our government offices with angry phone calls, occupying the lines that residents need to use to find out information regarding how, where, and when to vote, thus creating voter suppression.

Cool. Good job, rest of the country.

Cops pepper spray an amputee and steel his legs.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1274893728361127937?s=19

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turbopuns3 posted...

So.

During a primary when voting in Kentucky has literally never been easier or more convenient, and the state is on pace for record voter turnout, people from outside the state have taken it upon themselves to decide that we are experiencing unprecedented levels of voter suppression. Social media warriors spread this falsehood which made people from other parts of the country start flooding our government offices with angry phone calls, occupying the lines that residents need to use to find out information regarding how, where, and when to vote, thus creating voter suppression.

Cool. Good job, rest of the country.

Over 90% of your polling sites were shut down.

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Okay thats one of the most evil things I've seen in a while, jesus fucking christ

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Over 90% of your polling sites were shut down.

Yes, and? Go on.

turbopuns3 posted...

Yes, and? Go on.

...Theres nothing to go on about. That's insane levels of voter suppression. There's no debate to be had here.

Really confused by your stance here.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

...Theres nothing to go on about. That's insane levels of voter suppression. There's no debate to be had here.

Really confused by your stance here.

I guess you ignored the part where I said voting has never been easier and we are on pace for record voter turnout.

KamikazePotato posted...

Okay thats one of the most evil things I've seen in a while, jesus fucking christ

Thankfully they got his legs back

https://twitter.com/laurennmcc/status/1274888858660937728?s=20

More proof that the only way things actually get done is forceful action.

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turbopuns3 posted...

I guess you ignored the part where I said voting has never been easier and we are on pace for record voter turnout.

This literally just happened in my state of Georgia in the exact same way. It was an absolute nightmare. People in the bigger counties had to wait in line from morning to sundown. People started calling cops on people for not getting out of line after the polls were supposed to close.

The insistence that everything is going to go smoothly and that the huge turnout with, again, 90% less stations won't be a problem is a steaming pile of bullshit they're feeding you that you've eaten up. This JUST happened.

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turbopuns3 posted...

I guess you ignored the part where I said voting has never been easier and we are on pace for record voter turnout.

how has voting never been easier when theres 1/10 as many places to do it at

that seems like it would make voting more difficult
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Like I don't think you're being malicious at all, Pun. You're not redsox acting like closing polls is a good thing because it means only the people who truly care will make the drive to get there.

I just think you're way to trusting of the words that come out of your local news and politicians mouths. Of COURSE they're gonna say everything is all good. Why would they not?

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"Just because turnout is going to be higher doesn't mean that votes won't be suppressed," Booker said. "That just means we're determined. It should not be hard to vote. One location is not enough."

This feels like it kinda sums it up.

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nobody ignored what you said, you just didn't substantiate it at all while there's the obvious counter fact of polling places being shuttered. that's not voting being made easier than ever.

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I deliberately didn't elaborate on details because I was curious to see if people here would ask insightful questions or just do the "wow fuck that #retweet" without stopping to think, like seemingly a lot of people in the country did.

Could we probably have more voting locations open? Yeah, for sure. However.

In his first week or maybe month in office last year, our governor restored voting rights to over 100,000 felons of non-violent crimes who had served their sentences. Does that sound like the sort of guy who's likely to be looking for ways to practice voter suppression here?

For the first time ever (that I'm aware of anyway) Kentucky had a statewide no-excuse policy for absentee ballots. Literally every registered voter received a card in the mail saying "put your name on this card and you'll get an absentee ballot weeks in advance". This was a plan agreed upon by our democratic governor and republican secretary of state back in like April when they realized how big of an issue covid could create. That doesn't sound like a team who is looking for ways to practice voter suppression.

The city of Louisville has free Lyft rides all day long today with a promo code. Buses are giving free rides to polling locations. The in-person voting locations have been open for like, literally 2 weeks. There's no reason any single person who wants to vote would ever have to step into the polling location if they didn't want to. Unless somehow you like, didn't have a mailing address but were also registered to vote, or something. Idk.

When I say we are on pace for record turnout, I'm not talking about people showing up today. That is based on numbers of absentee ballots which have already been received.

There are a million steps being taken to make sure that it has never been more convenient or accessible to vote in Kentucky, ever, period.

I'm sure our system is not perfect, but damn if the negative press is not frustrating.

closing polling stations is absolutely inconvenient for a lot of people and it's not a great look, but I believe kentucky also has vote by mail and in-person early voting for this election, so it's not a completely doom and gloom situation.

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oh I'm too late oh well

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I mean it's great that they improved other ways to vote

But cutting 95% of polling stations is still a negative no matter how you slice it, so of course it's going to get negative press.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Like I don't think you're being malicious at all, Pun.

turbopuns3 posted...

I deliberately didn't elaborate

welp

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While these attempts to make things easier and improve turnout are to be praised, at the end of the day none of them can make up for the lack of polling sites. The negative swing of such and absolutely absurd cut of 95%, cannot be overriden by any other positive efforts.

The most common headline around the Kentucky elections this year is very on point: While Kentucky did not intentionally intend to suppress voters, they still have.

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Grimlyn posted...

welp

I mean I'm not gonna blame him for that and it's not the malicious in the sense that I meant.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

While Kentucky did not intentionally intend to suppress voters, they still have.

that seems like a VERY generous interpretation of "not intentionally" to me

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changmas posted...

that seems like a VERY generous interpretation of "not intentionally" to me

It's poor wording but I still think it stands, the issue is the broad generalization of what "Kentucky" means. There are conflicting intents within the state, clearly, which can be seen by the genuine if essentially unfortunate efforts to make up for the the insane level of suppression through other means, while not actually fixing the core issue.

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turbopuns3 posted...

I deliberately didn't elaborate on details because I was curious to see if people here would ask insightful questions or just do the "wow fuck that #retweet" without stopping to think, like seemingly a lot of people in the country did.

Could we probably have more voting locations open? Yeah, for sure. However.

In his first week or maybe month in office last year, our governor restored voting rights to over 100,000 felons of non-violent crimes who had served their sentences. Does that sound like the sort of guy who's likely to be looking for ways to practice voter suppression here?

For the first time ever (that I'm aware of anyway) Kentucky had a statewide no-excuse policy for absentee ballots. Literally every registered voter received a card in the mail saying "put your name on this card and you'll get an absentee ballot weeks in advance". This was a plan agreed upon by our democratic governor and republican secretary of state back in like April when they realized how big of an issue covid could create. That doesn't sound like a team who is looking for ways to practice voter suppression.

The city of Louisville has free Lyft rides all day long today with a promo code. Buses are giving free rides to polling locations. The in-person voting locations have been open for like, literally 2 weeks. There's no reason any single person who wants to vote would ever have to step into the polling location if they didn't want to. Unless somehow you like, didn't have a mailing address but were also registered to vote, or something. Idk.

When I say we are on pace for record turnout, I'm not talking about people showing up today. That is based on numbers of absentee ballots which have already been received.

There are a million steps being taken to make sure that it has never been more convenient or accessible to vote in Kentucky, ever, period.

I'm sure our system is not perfect, but damn if the negative press is not frustrating.

This is sounding like poll manipulation from the Democrats. The new governor is a Democrat, right? They must know that Republicans and seniors like to vote at the polls - if you close the polls and tell them to vote by mail, they might just not do it. You could still get an increase in overall turnout from more younger voters and Democrats voting.

If this is going to repeat in November, I hope the GOP is aware of the situation, and does a major outreach blitz to make sure their voters know that their regular polling station might be closed so they may need to vote by mail.

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red sox 777 posted...

This is sounding like poll manipulation from the Democrats. The new governor is a Democrat, right? They must know that Republicans and seniors like to vote at the polls - if you close the polls and tell them to vote by mail, they might just not do it. You could still get an increase in overall turnout from more younger voters and Democrats voting.

If this is going to repeat in November, I hope the GOP is aware of the situation, and does a major outreach blitz to make sure their voters know that their regular polling station might be closed so they may need to vote by mail.

It was bipartisan.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Thankfully they got his legs back

https://twitter.com/laurennmcc/status/1274888858660937728?s=20

More proof that the only way things actually get done is forceful action.

This is illegal on so many different levels.

https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1275457598360129537?s=21

Drag his ass in

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Even if you have gone out of your way to give everyone the opportunity to vote by mail, you can guarantee that a not-insignificant portion of people have decided not to avail themselves of those options. And those people are going to need places to vote.

Unless 90% of in-person voters switched to mail voting you are going to see difficulties at the remaining polls. And even IF they reduced locations by 90% because they know for a fact that 90% of potential in-person voters have already cast a ballot you would still have to very carefully decide which locations need to remain open to keep turnout the same.

I find it unlikely that in person turnout will be down 90%
I find it unlikely that even if it were they will have done a good job of determine which sites to remain open
I find it disingenuous to say "This OTHER method of voting is easier than ever" as an excuse for making the most common method 90% more scarce.

That's like a store that wont accept cash because it's "easier than ever" to pay for things electronically. Even if that's true it's going to cause problems and is empirically inferior to a system that allows for both.

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Unless your jurisdiction preemptively mails ballots to everyone (not "you don't need an excuse for an absentee ballot but you still have to formally request one", but "we will mail every single registered voter a ballot weeks in advance of the election without need for them to request it"), any amount of closed voting sites constitutes voter suppression.

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