Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 307: Tulsa Staggered

Topic List	Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 10
Jakyl25 06/22/20 2:04:51 PM #1:	Black Lives Matter --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:941076429] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Black Lives Matter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 06/22/20 2:22:19 PM #2:	that sounds complicated, youre probably trying to trick me. I have this simple graph that shows crime going down as police budgets are going up and my common sense tells me that if police stop crime then less police means more crime and I dont like that. Yes there are a certain amount of people who will oppose any effort to reduce funding to the police. But there are also a lot of people who can agree that a funding reduction might be correct but who do NOT want to abolish the police altogether. And by leading "defund the police" you are putting a sour taste in the mouth of people who will initially think it means abolishment and not simply "give less money to". A more ideal situation would be a phrase that gets this across so you don't have to quickly explain what it really means to the majority of people who take it to mean abolishment. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:941077339] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote><quote>that sounds complicated, youre probably trying to trick me. I have this simple graph that shows crime going down as police budgets are going up and my common sense tells me that if police stop crime then less police means more crime and I dont like that.</quote> Yes there are a certain amount of people who will oppose any effort to reduce funding to the police. But there are also a lot of people who can agree that a funding reduction might be correct but who do NOT want to abolish the police altogether. And by leading "defund the police" you are putting a sour taste in the mouth of people who will initially think it means abolishment and not simply "give less money to". A more ideal situation would be a phrase that gets this across so you don't have to quickly explain what it really means to the majority of people who take it to mean abolishment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 06/22/20 2:27:30 PM #3:	Shake Shack update https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/ cops never got sick the drink order was made by mobile app with their drinks left waiting for them on arrival so they would never know it was for cops in the first place after sipping the drinks, cops thought it didn't taste/smell right so they dumped 'em and told the manager for free vouchers cops later went on to tell their sergeant about the incident, escalated to calling Emergency Service Unit to investigate as a crime scene and rushed the cops - who were not sick - to the hospital, "where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms" lieutenant emailed union a lie that the cops came back throwing up after getting their drinks (even bumping up "three cops" to "six cops") and the story heads down the pipeline until social media picks it up and the rest is known --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:941077601] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Shake Shack update https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/ cops never got sickthe drink order was made by mobile app with their drinks left waiting for them on arrival so they would never know it was for cops in the first placeafter sipping the drinks, cops thought it didn't taste/smell right so they dumped 'em and told the manager for free voucherscops later went on to tell their sergeant about the incident, escalated to calling Emergency Service Unit to investigate as a crime scene and rushed the cops - who were not sick - to the hospital, "where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms"lieutenant emailed union a lie that the cops came back throwing up after getting their drinks (even bumping up "three cops" to "six cops") and the story heads down the pipeline until social media picks it up and the rest is known</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 2:30:36 PM #4:	i expected something like "let's boogaloo to k-pop" --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941077756] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>i expected something like "let's boogaloo to k-pop" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/22/20 2:35:58 PM #5:	Grimlyn posted... Shake Shack update https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/ * cops never got sick * the drink order was made by mobile app with their drinks left waiting for them on arrival so they would never know it was for cops in the first place * after sipping the drinks, cops thought it didn't taste/smell right so they dumped 'em and told the manager for free vouchers * cops later went on to tell their sergeant about the incident, escalated to calling Emergency Service Unit to investigate as a crime scene and rushed the cops - who were not sick - to the hospital, "where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms" * lieutenant emailed union a lie that the cops came back throwing up after getting their drinks (even bumping up "three cops" to "six cops") and the story heads down the pipeline until social media picks it up and the rest is known You dont understand, its gotten so bad they are LITERALLY poisoning cops --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:941078026] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted... </cite> <quote>Shake Shack update https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/ * cops never got sick * the drink order was made by mobile app with their drinks left waiting for them on arrival so they would never know it was for cops in the first place * after sipping the drinks, cops thought it didn't taste/smell right so they dumped 'em and told the manager for free vouchers * cops later went on to tell their sergeant about the incident, escalated to calling Emergency Service Unit to investigate as a crime scene and rushed the cops - who were not sick - to the hospital, "where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms" * lieutenant emailed union a lie that the cops came back throwing up after getting their drinks (even bumping up "three cops" to "six cops") and the story heads down the pipeline until social media picks it up and the rest is known</quote> You dont understand, its gotten so bad they are LITERALLY poisoning cops </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 06/22/20 2:56:19 PM #6:	Forceful_Dragon posted... But there are also a lot of people who can agree that a funding reduction might be correct but who do NOT want to abolish the police altogether. And by leading "defund the police" you are putting a sour taste in the mouth of people who will initially think it means abolishment and not simply "give less money to". A more ideal situation would be a phrase that gets this across so you don't have to quickly explain what it really means to the majority of people who take it to mean abolishment. Abolish and Defund are very different words. That's enough of a distinction imo. The key aspect of Defund is clear - give less money to police. It started as aboltion, but now that it's bigger the goals differ among supporters whether to get rid of them entirely, and that's fine. I think there is no getting around that the position requires a more detailed explanation. The difference between "Defund the police" and "reduce funding to the police" is minimal. All this time spent workshopping new slogans is better used explaining the position. And yes I know that the common wisdom is that if you have to explain policy then it's a bad policy. But if "defund" isn't good enough for you then it is too complicated to summarize quickly. And opponents of the policy will take advantage of any confusion no matter what it's called. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:941079122] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote> But there are also a lot of people who can agree that a funding reduction might be correct but who do NOT want to abolish the police altogether. And by leading "defund the police" you are putting a sour taste in the mouth of people who will initially think it means abolishment and not simply "give less money to". A more ideal situation would be a phrase that gets this across so you don't have to quickly explain what it really means to the majority of people who take it to mean abolishment.</quote> Abolish and Defund are very different words. That's enough of a distinction imo. The key aspect of Defund is clear - give less money to police. It started as aboltion, but now that it's bigger the goals differ among supporters whether to get rid of them entirely, and that's fine. I think there is no getting around that the position requires a more detailed explanation. The difference between "Defund the police" and "reduce funding to the police" is minimal. All this time spent workshopping new slogans is better used explaining the position. And yes I know that the common wisdom is that if you have to explain policy then it's a bad policy. But if "defund" isn't good enough for you then it is too complicated to summarize quickly. And opponents of the policy will take advantage of any confusion no matter what it's called. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 06/22/20 3:01:19 PM #7:	I suppose a lot of the problem is the right wing defund planned parenthood movement was a straight up attack, so they're thinking defund the police is the same thing. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:941079404] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>I suppose a lot of the problem is the right wing defund planned parenthood movement was a straight up attack, so they're thinking defund the police is the same thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 06/22/20 3:07:50 PM #8:	The major issue is exactly what HDT said. People are fucking stupid, and the policy choices are too complex to spell out properly, while still maintaining their short fucking attention spans. It's how Trump was able to amass so many followers: come up with short catchphrases that anyone can overlay their own thoughts upon. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:941079754] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>The major issue is exactly what HDT said. People are fucking stupid, and the policy choices are too complex to spell out properly, while still maintaining their short fucking attention spans. It's how Trump was able to amass so many followers: come up with short catchphrases that anyone can overlay their own thoughts upon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 06/22/20 3:08:43 PM #9:	So not only did they falsely accuse a private business in order to build sympathy, they also wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars to go to the hospital - during a pandemic when hospitals are busier than they otherwise are. Get rid of all of them. The police force needs to go. Defund them to 0%, none of this compromise bullshit. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:941079796] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>So not only did they falsely accuse a private business in order to build sympathy, they also wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars to go to the hospital - during a pandemic when hospitals are busier than they otherwise are. Get rid of all of them. The police force needs to go. Defund them to 0%, none of this compromise bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/22/20 3:10:33 PM #10:	Grimlyn posted... Shake Shack update https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/ * cops never got sick * the drink order was made by mobile app with their drinks left waiting for them on arrival so they would never know it was for cops in the first place * after sipping the drinks, cops thought it didn't taste/smell right so they dumped 'em and told the manager for free vouchers * cops later went on to tell their sergeant about the incident, escalated to calling Emergency Service Unit to investigate as a crime scene and rushed the cops - who were not sick - to the hospital, "where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms" * lieutenant emailed union a lie that the cops came back throwing up after getting their drinks (even bumping up "three cops" to "six cops") and the story heads down the pipeline until social media picks it up and the rest is known This is next level Karening --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:941079894] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted... </cite> <quote>Shake Shack update https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/ * cops never got sick * the drink order was made by mobile app with their drinks left waiting for them on arrival so they would never know it was for cops in the first place * after sipping the drinks, cops thought it didn't taste/smell right so they dumped 'em and told the manager for free vouchers * cops later went on to tell their sergeant about the incident, escalated to calling Emergency Service Unit to investigate as a crime scene and rushed the cops - who were not sick - to the hospital, "where they were examined and released without ever showing symptoms" * lieutenant emailed union a lie that the cops came back throwing up after getting their drinks (even bumping up "three cops" to "six cops") and the story heads down the pipeline until social media picks it up and the rest is known</quote>This is next level Karening </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 06/22/20 3:26:03 PM #11:	Thinking about it more, it's also okay to dress up specific Defund policies as "Reform the Police." Theres the idea of "non-reformist reforms" which are broad reforms that change the actual structure of the system. These are good. The problem right now is that most people and politicians supporting reform do not support good policy, and need to be pushed to the left. Specific examples would be, inadequate but popular reforms are things like the chokehold ban, sensitivity/ conflict training, and increasing funds for body cams. These don't sufficiently address the problem and can generally be ignored by individual cops and therefore cops as a whole (and may cost more money while doing so). Non-reformist reforms that Defund advocates would support are demilitarization, ending qualified immunity, decriminalization of petty crimes, and yes, reducing spending on the police budget. So there you go. If you are concerned about messaging you should instead be convincing reformists to get better policies. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:941080762] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Thinking about it more, it's also okay to dress up specific Defund policies as "Reform the Police." Theres the idea of "non-reformist reforms" which are broad reforms that change the actual structure of the system. These are good. The problem right now is that most people and politicians supporting reform do not support good policy, and need to be pushed to the left. Specific examples would be, inadequate but popular reforms are things like the chokehold ban, sensitivity/ conflict training, and increasing funds for body cams. These don't sufficiently address the problem and can generally be ignored by individual cops and therefore cops as a whole (and may cost more money while doing so). Non-reformist reforms that Defund advocates would support are demilitarization, ending qualified immunity, decriminalization of petty crimes, and yes, reducing spending on the police budget. So there you go. If you are concerned about messaging you should instead be convincing reformists to get better policies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 06/22/20 3:29:14 PM #12:	Banning things or having stipulations regarding keeping body cams going doesn't matter if there's no repercussions. You can't reform a system that's a big player in the oppression game. Get rid of it and build it up anew. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:941080928] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Banning things or having stipulations regarding keeping body cams going doesn't matter if there's no repercussions. You can't reform a system that's a big player in the oppression game. Get rid of it and build it up anew. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 06/22/20 3:30:34 PM #13:	Peace___Frog posted... So not only did they falsely accuse a private business in order to build sympathy, they also wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars to go to the hospital - during a pandemic when hospitals are busier than they otherwise are. Get rid of all of them. The police force needs to go. Defund them to 0%, none of this compromise bullshit. Yeah, okay. That sounds like a great idea. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:941081012] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite> <quote>So not only did they falsely accuse a private business in order to build sympathy, they also wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars to go to the hospital - during a pandemic when hospitals are busier than they otherwise are. Get rid of all of them. The police force needs to go. Defund them to 0%, none of this compromise bullshit.</quote>Yeah, okay. That sounds like a great idea. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/22/20 3:51:19 PM #14:	Corrik7 posted... Yeah, okay. That sounds like a great idea. Would you at least agree those specific cops should go? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:941082164] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah, okay. That sounds like a great idea. </quote> Would you at least agree those specific cops should go?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 06/22/20 3:53:31 PM #15:	Sound like the k-pop stans are getting under his skin as much as impeachment! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275136946348703744 --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:941082281] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Sound like the k-pop stans are getting under his skin as much as impeachment! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275136946348703744 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 06/22/20 4:01:57 PM #16:	Also another Lincoln Project ad: https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1275042854537134080 Honestly amazing how effective the strategy of "professionally troll the president" is on Trump --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:941082760] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Also another Lincoln Project ad: https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1275042854537134080 Honestly amazing how effective the strategy of "professionally troll the president" is on Trump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/22/20 4:03:13 PM #17:	LordoftheMorons posted... Also another Lincoln Project ad: https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1275042854537134080 Honestly amazing how effective the strategy of "professionally troll the president" is on Trump How is it effective? They've engaged the troll in chief in a trolling battle. What could that possibly gain them? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:941082829] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Also another Lincoln Project ad: https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1275042854537134080 Honestly amazing how effective the strategy of "professionally troll the president" is on Trump</quote> How is it effective? They've engaged the troll in chief in a trolling battle. What could that possibly gain them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 4:04:22 PM #18:	i don't even get from the clip that that's actually rogan's criticism, though. seems to me like he's saying "all these impressionable young people feel good being part of a movement but if you'd ask them what the protest is actually about, you'd receive a blank stare in reply." he's definitely coming off very patronizing and slightly ageist to the protesters to me. I feel you barely changed what I said, to the point you are only disagreeing semantically. Or like half a step above that. Change the "blank stare" response to them saying "end racism!" and nothing more as the response, and you've....effectively not changed the point he is making. <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941082886] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote><quote>i don't even get from the clip that that's actually rogan's criticism, though. seems to me like he's saying "all these impressionable young people feel good being part of a movement but if you'd ask them what the protest is actually about, you'd receive a blank stare in reply." he's definitely coming off very patronizing and slightly ageist to the protesters to me.</quote> I feel you barely changed what I said, to the point you are only disagreeing semantically. Or like half a step above that. Change the "blank stare" response to them saying "end racism!" and nothing more as the response, and you've....effectively not changed the point he is making. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/22/20 4:04:23 PM #19:	If Trump was as thin-skinned as he acts, he would never have run for office. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:941082887] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>If Trump was as thin-skinned as he acts, he would never have run for office. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 4:06:11 PM #20:	turbopuns3 posted... Change the "blank stare" response to them saying "end racism!" and nothing more as the response, and you've....effectively not changed the point he is making. ...wut? there's a world of difference between "i'm protesting because of racism" and "i'm protesting because...?" --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941082994] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>turbopuns3 posted... </cite> <quote>Change the "blank stare" response to them saying "end racism!" and nothing more as the response, and you've....effectively not changed the point he is making.</quote> ...wut? there's a world of difference between "i'm protesting because of racism" and "i'm protesting because...?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 06/22/20 4:06:55 PM #21:	red sox 777 posted... How is it effective? They've engaged the troll in chief in a trolling battle. What could that possibly gain them? One example: the Trump campaign lit $400k on fire running ads in DC (a state that Biden will win by close to 90 points) to convince Trump that they were "fighting back" against the Lincoln Project whoops not state (it should be, though) --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:941083037] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>How is it effective? They've engaged the troll in chief in a trolling battle. What could that possibly gain them?</quote>One example: the Trump campaign lit $400k on fire running ads in DC (a state that Biden will win by close to 90 points) to convince Trump that they were "fighting back" against the Lincoln Project whoops not state (it should be, though) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/22/20 4:07:37 PM #22:	LordoftheMorons posted... One example: the Trump campaign lit $400k on fire running ads in DC (a state that Biden will win by close to 90 points) to convince Trump that they were "fighting back" against the Lincoln Project Trump should fire them for such incompetence. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:941083072] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>One example: the Trump campaign lit $400k on fire running ads in DC (a state that Biden will win by close to 90 points) to convince Trump that they were "fighting back" against the Lincoln Project</quote> Trump should fire them for such incompetence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 4:09:15 PM #23:	Because concrete, actionable goals are what we can change rather systematically, as opposed to the infinitely deeper issue of literally removing racist thoughts and feelings from society. Like, ok I waved the magic wand. Nobody is a racist any more starting today! Oh wait we still have disproportionately high numbers of black people incarcerated. Oh wait black neighborhoods are still impoverished and dangerous. Oh wait there are still laws and regulations that slant the system. Etc. Damn I wish we put more planning into our chat with that magic wand guy so we could've fixed this more effectively. That stuff wouldn't disappear in an instant if racism went away, though of course one would think it would trend in that direction over time. (The biggest L goes to the user who replies to me thinking I'm suggesting that ending racism isn't a worthy aim.) <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941083154] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Because concrete, actionable goals are what we can change rather systematically, as opposed to the infinitely deeper issue of literally removing racist thoughts and feelings from society. Like, ok I waved the magic wand. Nobody is a racist any more starting today! Oh wait we still have disproportionately high numbers of black people incarcerated. Oh wait black neighborhoods are still impoverished and dangerous. Oh wait there are still laws and regulations that slant the system. Etc. Damn I wish we put more planning into our chat with that magic wand guy so we could've fixed this more effectively. That stuff wouldn't disappear in an instant if racism went away, though of course one would think it would trend in that direction over time. (The biggest L goes to the user who replies to me thinking I'm suggesting that ending racism isn't a worthy aim.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 06/22/20 4:12:02 PM #24:	Jakyl25 posted... Would you at least agree those specific cops should go? Absolutely. Who wouldn't agree to that. Edit: Wait I misread your statement. Which cops are you referring to? Edit 2: Oh the shake shack cops. If a false report, that would be pretty damning. But, I don't know if this is exactly how it happened. If they did file a false report, then their law obedience is in question obviously. Edit 3: So I found a story regarding it which I hope is true. Based on it... https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms It basically seems like a possible misunderstood story that spiraled way out of control. No, I don't believe those cops should be fired. If anyone should be fired, it should be the lieutenant or sergeant (unless the cops did misreport it to them) who got super over cautious and was the one who escalated it drastically and sent out the email or whatever that caused the big reaction. This was a non-story before that. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:941083278] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Would you at least agree those specific cops should go?</quote>Absolutely. Who wouldn't agree to that. Edit: Wait I misread your statement. Which cops are you referring to? Edit 2: Oh the shake shack cops. If a false report, that would be pretty damning. But, I don't know if this is exactly how it happened. If they did file a false report, then their law obedience is in question obviously. Edit 3: So I found a story regarding it which I hope is true. Based on it... https://champ.gothamist.com/champ/gothamist/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms It basically seems like a possible misunderstood story that spiraled way out of control. No, I don't believe those cops should be fired. If anyone should be fired, it should be the lieutenant or sergeant (unless the cops did misreport it to them) who got super over cautious and was the one who escalated it drastically and sent out the email or whatever that caused the big reaction. This was a non-story before that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/22/20 4:18:39 PM #25:	Corrik7 posted... Oh the shake shack cops. Yes thats who I meant --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:941083639] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh the shake shack cops.</quote> Yes thats who I meant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 4:37:24 PM #26:	How will we know when racism has ended? What do we need to see with our eyes and hear with our ears to know we have succeeded? <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941084647] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>How will we know when racism has ended? What do we need to see with our eyes and hear with our ears to know we have succeeded? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 06/22/20 4:59:56 PM #27:	turbopuns3 posted... Because concrete, actionable goals are what we can change rather systematically, as opposed to the infinitely deeper issue of literally removing racist thoughts and feelings from society. Like, ok I waved the magic wand. Nobody is a racist any more starting today! Oh wait we still have disproportionately high numbers of black people incarcerated. Oh wait black neighborhoods are still impoverished and dangerous. Oh wait there are still laws and regulations that slant the system. Etc. Damn I wish we put more planning into our chat with that magic wand guy so we could've fixed this more effectively. That stuff wouldn't disappear in an instant if racism went away, though of course one would think it would trend in that direction over time. Why do you seem to think people actually at protests would not be able to talk about at least some of these points? Rogan complains about the "No Justice No Peace" slogan because in his view, the cops who murdered Floyd being charged is justice. Pretty sure the protestors disagree that justice is complete. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:941085927] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>turbopuns3 posted... </cite> <quote>Because concrete, actionable goals are what we can change rather systematically, as opposed to the infinitely deeper issue of literally removing racist thoughts and feelings from society. Like, ok I waved the magic wand. Nobody is a racist any more starting today! Oh wait we still have disproportionately high numbers of black people incarcerated. Oh wait black neighborhoods are still impoverished and dangerous. Oh wait there are still laws and regulations that slant the system. Etc. Damn I wish we put more planning into our chat with that magic wand guy so we could've fixed this more effectively. That stuff wouldn't disappear in an instant if racism went away, though of course one would think it would trend in that direction over time.</quote> Why do you seem to think people actually at protests would not be able to talk about at least some of these points? Rogan complains about the "No Justice No Peace" slogan because in his view, the cops who murdered Floyd being charged is justice. Pretty sure the protestors disagree that justice is complete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 5:07:02 PM #28:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Rogan complains about the "No Justice No Peace" slogan because in his view, the cops who murdered Floyd being charged is justice. actually, he even implies that he thinks that isn't justice --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941086313] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Rogan complains about the "No Justice No Peace" slogan because in his view, the cops who murdered Floyd being charged is justice.</quote> actually, he even implies that he thinks that isn't justice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 5:10:07 PM #29:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Why do you seem to think people actually at protests would not be able to talk about at least some of these points? I don't. <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941086481] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you seem to think people actually at protests would not be able to talk about at least some of these points?</quote> I don't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 5:14:02 PM #30:	That is, I don't think none of them could talk about it. But I do think there is a lot to be said forthat feeling like you're a part of something, like Joe mentioned. So naturally by the numbers, many people in the crowd would be in those shoes. <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941086702] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>That is, I don't think none of them could talk about it. But I do think there is a lot to be said forthat feeling like you're a part of something, like Joe mentioned. So naturally by the numbers, many people in the crowd would be in those shoes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 5:25:30 PM #31:	Though that does make me think of a different point, to the credit of your perspective here. It's also an issue that the people looking in from outside the protests don't understand what the points are and the message is not crystal clear to them. Whether that failing is on the organization or lack thereof ofthe movement itself, or on the people who just aren't getting the message (little of column A, little of column B, likely), it's a problem to address nonetheless. Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights. <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941087306] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Though that does make me think of a different point, to the credit of your perspective here. It's also an issue that the people looking in from outside the protests don't understand what the points are and the message is not crystal clear to them. Whether that failing is on the organization or lack thereof ofthe movement itself, or on the people who just aren't getting the message (little of column A, little of column B, likely), it's a problem to address nonetheless. Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 5:31:12 PM #32:	turbopuns3 posted... Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights. he's definitely doing more than just "addressing the problem" --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941087602] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>turbopuns3 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights.</quote> he's definitely doing more than just "addressing the problem" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 06/22/20 5:40:25 PM #33:	turbopuns3 posted... That is, I don't think none of them could talk about it. But I do think there is a lot to be said forthat feeling like you're a part of something, like Joe mentioned. So naturally by the numbers, many people in the crowd would be in those shoes. Fair enough. I think this ties into the idea that being part of a large movement is to amplify other voices, but sure. turbopuns3 posted... Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights. I don't think he is addressing the problem. Rogan is a multimillionaire with the time, resources, and media platform to understand it if he wants to. Instead he waxes poetic about how he just doesn't get it, man. Maybe the clip is out of context but he's not offering any insight either so "Fuck Rogan" is a fine response. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:941088072] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>turbopuns3 posted... </cite> <quote>That is, I don't think none of them could talk about it. But I do think there is a lot to be said forthat feeling like you're a part of something, like Joe mentioned. So naturally by the numbers, many people in the crowd would be in those shoes.</quote> Fair enough. I think this ties into the idea that being part of a large movement is to amplify other voices, but sure. turbopuns3 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights.</quote> I don't think he is addressing the problem. Rogan is a multimillionaire with the time, resources, and media platform to understand it if he wants to. Instead he waxes poetic about how he just doesn't get it, man. Maybe the clip is out of context but he's not offering any insight either so "Fuck Rogan" is a fine response. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 06/22/20 5:44:37 PM #34:	https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275155422551379968 Disgusting --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:941088284] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275155422551379968 Disgusting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 5:47:20 PM #35:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Rogan is a multimillionaire with the time, resources, and media platform to understand it if he wants to. Instead he waxes poetic about how he just doesn't get it, man. this is part of why i don't like rogan in general tbqh. i'm sure tons of people find him humble and charming but i don't think "i'm super dumb and i don't get it!" is a great attitude to approach podcasting with. if you're dumb and you don't get it, fine, but then don't waste our time with your podcast. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941088446] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Rogan is a multimillionaire with the time, resources, and media platform to understand it if he wants to. Instead he waxes poetic about how he just doesn't get it, man.</quote> this is part of why i don't like rogan in general tbqh. i'm sure tons of people find him humble and charming but i don't think "i'm super dumb and i don't get it!" is a great attitude to approach podcasting with. if you're dumb and you don't get it, fine, but then don't waste our time with your podcast. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 5:50:28 PM #36:	I used the word addressing much more literally in that context. Addressing the problem as in he is pointing it out. I don't think Joe Rogan is the #1 People's Choice for the BLM movement here, lol. <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941088624] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>I used the word addressing much more literally in that context. Addressing the problem as in he is pointing it out. I don't think Joe Rogan is the #1 People's Choice for the BLM movement here, lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
turbopuns3 06/22/20 5:51:04 PM #37:	Though I should just watch more of the episode at this point. <cite>turbopuns3 posted [p:941088655] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Though I should just watch more of the episode at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 06/22/20 5:55:17 PM #38:	I'm very much on Team Rogan in that last topic He's great. He adds SO much to online discourse on so many topics by bringing in scientists from all kinds of different fields, people from all sides of the political spectrum, or just his dumb comedian friends. He has very long form discussions on pretty much any topic. He often lets the guest talk about whatever they want. Sometimes he pushes his own dumb ideas too much, which kinda has been the case lately. Like some people said in the last topic - ultimately, he's a meathead who can't get out of his own way sometimes. But he does try very hard to genuinely listen to what the person in front of him is talking about and ask directed questions to make them expand on whatever is its they just said. Sometimes he lets guests off easy, lots of times he presses them to elaborate if they make a sweeping statement about something. Is every take he makes good? No, Joe says all kinds of dumb things. he's a meathead that engages in very high level scientific or political discussions with people much more knowledgeable than him. He has bad takes, he misunderstands things all the time. But so what? He doesn't have to be right to be worthwhile to listen to. He makes more of a solid effort of understanding things he doesn't understand than the vast majority of the population, including people here. I find it very alarming online that I see people who completely dismiss him because he has a clip with a dumb take or had a guest they don't like. Yeah, I think Ben Shapiro is a complete dumbass, and Joe had him on. You know what? Joe kinda thinks Ben is a dumbass on a lot of the things he says too. That doesn't mean he can't talk to him. That was kind of the point of talking to him. I've seen many users in these politics topics dismiss Joe the same way - and I strongly think that if you are the type of person to dismiss Joe Rogan entirely because he has guests you don't like or has said things you don't agree with, I think you need to completely reevaulate the way you approach politics. Lasa said something like "ok well why should I care about Joe?" in the last topic - well, you don't have to. there's a million people on the internet you can invest your time in. There's no reason you have to "like" him or even spend your time listening to him. But if you have a kneejerk reaction that Rogan is bad news who should not be on the internet... well, you are wrong. The poor reaction people had to Bernie "being endorsed" by Joe Rogan was an especially bad take... --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:941088879] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>I'm very much on Team Rogan in that last topic He's great. He adds SO much to online discourse on so many topics by bringing in scientists from all kinds of different fields, people from all sides of the political spectrum, or just his dumb comedian friends. He has very long form discussions on pretty much any topic. He often lets the guest talk about whatever they want. Sometimes he pushes his own dumb ideas too much, which kinda has been the case lately. Like some people said in the last topic - ultimately, he's a meathead who can't get out of his own way sometimes. But he does try very hard to genuinely listen to what the person in front of him is talking about and ask directed questions to make them expand on whatever is its they just said. Sometimes he lets guests off easy, lots of times he presses them to elaborate if they make a sweeping statement about something. Is every take he makes good? No, Joe says all kinds of dumb things. he's a meathead that engages in very high level scientific or political discussions with people much more knowledgeable than him. He has bad takes, he misunderstands things all the time. But so what? He doesn't have to be right to be worthwhile to listen to. He makes more of a solid effort of understanding things he doesn't understand than the vast majority of the population, including people here. I find it very alarming online that I see people who completely dismiss him because he has a clip with a dumb take or had a guest they don't like. Yeah, I think Ben Shapiro is a complete dumbass, and Joe had him on. You know what? Joe kinda thinks Ben is a dumbass on a lot of the things he says too. That doesn't mean he can't talk to him. That was kind of the point of talking to him. I've seen many users in these politics topics dismiss Joe the same way - and I strongly think that if you are the type of person to dismiss Joe Rogan entirely because he has guests you don't like or has said things you don't agree with, I think you need to completely reevaulate the way you approach politics. Lasa said something like "ok well why should I care about Joe?" in the last topic - well, you don't have to. there's a million people on the internet you can invest your time in. There's no reason you have to "like" him or even spend your time listening to him. But if you have a kneejerk reaction that Rogan is bad news who should not be on the internet... well, you are wrong. The poor reaction people had to Bernie "being endorsed" by Joe Rogan was an especially bad take... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 06/22/20 6:42:47 PM #39:	Joe Rogan sucks <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:941091603] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Joe Rogan sucks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 06/22/20 7:01:07 PM #40:	https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1275201969515302914 --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:941092593] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1275201969515302914 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/22/20 7:05:15 PM #41:	Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden. High bar, I know. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:941092825] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden. High bar, I know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/22/20 7:06:01 PM #42:	citation needed --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:941092858] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>citation needed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/22/20 7:06:46 PM #43:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden. High bar, I know. yeah that's a dubious compliment --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:941092906] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden. High bar, I know.</quote> yeah that's a dubious compliment </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 06/22/20 7:19:43 PM #44:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden. High bar, I know. This isn't a high bar but Rogan still limbos under it with ease. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:941093579] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Rogan sucks less than, say, Joe Biden. High bar, I know.</quote> This isn't a high bar but Rogan still limbos under it with ease. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/22/20 7:22:34 PM #45:	I'm always a bit puzzled by the Rogan defenses because it feels to me like looking into a twisted mirror version of "Why are Democrats trying to appeal to right-leaning people who clearly aren't good faith allies?" in terms of the defenders typically being the attackers there. I think his history/past comments re: LGBTQ, race, sexual assault, and more kind of makes the case itself that that is not a platform that needs to be supported or defended by people who actually want progress on those issues. In these topics specifically it kinda feels like Gabbard 2.0 where a good ~60-70% of the topic regulars were highlighting that "No, she's not some kind of rising progressive star, if you look at her history it's actually filled with some really bad stuff." that got fought about here for like two+ years until finally enough information finally broke through - whether it was the publicizing of the literal cult or her "present" vote on impeachment - that everyone finally got on the same page there. Perhaps unsurprisingly there's a link between the two here. I mean, anyone who is out there leaning into the "Biden is losing his mind" narrative in distraction to literally Trump is just... not someone expressing any valuable opinions here. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:941093714] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>I'm always a bit puzzled by the Rogan defenses because it feels to me like looking into a twisted mirror version of "Why are Democrats trying to appeal to right-leaning people who clearly aren't good faith allies?" in terms of the defenders typically being the attackers there. I think his history/past comments re: LGBTQ, race, sexual assault, and more kind of makes the case itself that that is not a platform that needs to be supported or defended by people who actually want progress on those issues. In these topics specifically it kinda feels like Gabbard 2.0 where a good ~60-70% of the topic regulars were highlighting that "No, she's not some kind of rising progressive star, if you look at her history it's actually filled with some really bad stuff." that got fought about here for like two+ years until finally enough information finally broke through - whether it was the publicizing of the literal cult or her "present" vote on impeachment - that everyone finally got on the same page there. Perhaps unsurprisingly there's a link between the two here. I mean, anyone who is out there leaning into the "Biden is losing his mind" narrative in distraction to literally Trump is just... not someone expressing any valuable opinions here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 06/22/20 7:27:17 PM #46:	it feels to me like anyone good who likes joe rogan defends him while acknowledging that hes a flawed meathead person and it just makes me wonder why you cant find someone else to listen to who is less of a dumbass maybe you cant find one person who has talked to all the same people he has, but there must be someone better who has talked to any individual guest he has on --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:941093984] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>it feels to me like anyone good who likes joe rogan defends him while acknowledging that hes a flawed meathead person and it just makes me wonder why you cant find someone else to listen to who is less of a dumbass maybe you cant find one person who has talked to all the same people he has, but there must be someone better who has talked to any individual guest he has on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/22/20 7:35:00 PM #47:	xp1337 posted... I think his history/past comments re: LGBTQ, race, sexual assault, and more kind of makes the case itself that that is not a platform that needs to be supported or defended by people who actually want progress on those issues. Setting aside his opinion on trans people in sports, Joe Rogan has been on the Left side of these issues his entire life. He literally supported gay marriage, universal healthcare, more education, ending the war on drugs, prison reform, etc well before Joe Biden, so I guess I dont see the reason why hes so despicable when hes literally a comedian and Joe Biden has had his hands on the levers of control of our country for the better part of, what, 50 fucking years? Has he made crude jokes? Sure, but hes also literally a comedian surrounded by comedians who make dark jokes with comedians, thats the gig. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:941094377] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>I think his history/past comments re: LGBTQ, race, sexual assault, and more kind of makes the case itself that that is not a platform that needs to be supported or defended by people who actually want progress on those issues.</quote> Setting aside his opinion on trans people in sports, Joe Rogan has been on the Left side of these issues his entire life. He literally supported gay marriage, universal healthcare, more education, ending the war on drugs, prison reform, etc well before Joe Biden, so I guess I dont see the reason why hes so despicable when hes literally a comedian and Joe Biden has had his hands on the levers of control of our country for the better part of, what, 50 fucking years? Has he made crude jokes? Sure, but hes also literally a comedian surrounded by comedians who make dark jokes with comedians, thats the gig. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 06/22/20 7:36:58 PM #48:	I always find it super weird when people go after Biden on gay marriage when he literally forced the Obama administration's hand to come out in support for it earlier than they were planning to --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:941094472] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>I always find it super weird when people go after Biden on gay marriage when he literally forced the Obama administration's hand to come out in support for it earlier than they were planning to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 06/22/20 7:38:14 PM #49:	transphobic assholes can fuck off --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:941094534] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>transphobic assholes can fuck off </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 06/22/20 7:38:20 PM #50:	xp1337 posted... I'm always a bit puzzled by the Rogan defenses because it feels to me like looking into a twisted mirror version of "Why are Democrats trying to appeal to right-leaning people who clearly aren't good faith allies?" in terms of the defenders typically being the attackers there. I think his history/past comments re: LGBTQ, race, sexual assault, and more kind of makes the case itself that that is not a platform that needs to be supported or defended by people who actually want progress on those issues. In these topics specifically it kinda feels like Gabbard 2.0 where a good ~60-70% of the topic regulars were highlighting that "No, she's not some kind of rising progressive star, if you look at her history it's actually filled with some really bad stuff." that got fought about here for like two+ years until finally enough information finally broke through - whether it was the publicizing of the literal cult or her "present" vote on impeachment - that everyone finally got on the same page there. Perhaps unsurprisingly there's a link between the two here. I mean, anyone who is out there leaning into the "Biden is losing his mind" narrative in distraction to literally Trump is just... not someone expressing any valuable opinions here. I'm just not sure what to make out about this post at all Like, I guess you have some measure of what value someone gives to the goals you want achieved, and if they aren't contributing to that goal - then they are bad? What kind of way is this to view the entire rest of the world? Rogan doesn't need to be in support of issues you want progressed to have value. He doesn't have to say things you agree with to have value. He can say things you completely disagree with to have value. I think that's my strongest point on Rogan.... somebody doesn't have to be for all of the things you are for to be worthwhile as a person or a commentator. In fact, you SHOULD expose yourself to people who think differently than you. You aren't right on every issue, so not only should you not have that expectation when judging other people, you should get into the habit of seeing what people who think differently than you. That's the best thing about Rogan. I see all kinds of cool and intelligent and crazy and weird and stupid viewpoints I would never have even known about without listening to him. . In response to Kupo - why would I want to only listen to people who always agree with me? I think it's shortsighted to only want to listen to people you agree with, and i think it's CRAZY to want people you don't agree with to be deplatformed. --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:941094537] in Politics C... [t:78793749]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm always a bit puzzled by the Rogan defenses because it feels to me like looking into a twisted mirror version of "Why are Democrats trying to appeal to right-leaning people who clearly aren't good faith allies?" in terms of the defenders typically being the attackers there. I think his history/past comments re: LGBTQ, race, sexual assault, and more kind of makes the case itself that that is not a platform that needs to be supported or defended by people who actually want progress on those issues. In these topics specifically it kinda feels like Gabbard 2.0 where a good ~60-70% of the topic regulars were highlighting that "No, she's not some kind of rising progressive star, if you look at her history it's actually filled with some really bad stuff." that got fought about here for like two+ years until finally enough information finally broke through - whether it was the publicizing of the literal cult or her "present" vote on impeachment - that everyone finally got on the same page there. Perhaps unsurprisingly there's a link between the two here. I mean, anyone who is out there leaning into the "Biden is losing his mind" narrative in distraction to literally Trump is just... not someone expressing any valuable opinions here.</quote> I'm just not sure what to make out about this post at all Like, I guess you have some measure of what value someone gives to the goals you want achieved, and if they aren't contributing to that goal - then they are bad? What kind of way is this to view the entire rest of the world? Rogan doesn't need to be in support of issues you want progressed to have value. He doesn't have to say things you agree with to have value. He can say things you completely disagree with to have value. I think that's my strongest point on Rogan.... somebody doesn't have to be for all of the things you are for to be worthwhile as a person or a commentator. In fact, you SHOULD expose yourself to people who think differently than you. You aren't right on every issue, so not only should you not have that expectation when judging other people, you should get into the habit of seeing what people who think differently than you. That's the best thing about Rogan. I see all kinds of cool and intelligent and crazy and weird and stupid viewpoints I would never have even known about without listening to him. . In response to Kupo - why would I want to only listen to people who always agree with me? I think it's shortsighted to only want to listen to people you agree with, and i think it's CRAZY to want people you don't agree with to be deplatformed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 10

Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 307: Tulsa Staggered (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 307: Tulsa Staggered