Current Events > to those who say "all lives matter", does that include black lives?

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please answer

isn't that heavily implied by the word "all"

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Frogles posted...

isn't that heavily implied by the word "all"

no

Frogles posted...

isn't that heavily implied by the word "all"

No

All lives matter people don't literally mean all lives.
Otherwise none of them would support the death penalty.

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marthsheretoo posted...

No

All lives matter people don't literally mean all lives.
Otherwise none of them would support the death penalty.

Maybe they imply all races matter?

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The answer they don't want to say is "Yes, but only when they're not asking for anything and I don't have to acknowledge their existence. I will allow all non white people to co-exist, but don't let it bite me in the butt by actually expecting to be givin any opportunities for growth."

"All Lives Matter" mindset

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All lives includes black lives, yes. It includes every single race, gender, and creed. All human lives. All is absolute and unbiased.

People that believe that all human lives matter shouldnt be shunned by those that only bother to say only their own races lives matter, as theirs is included in all.
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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Maybe they imply all races matter?

Maybe

Let's see how they answer.

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I don't think the phrase entered the popular parlance with any real concern for human lives in general.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think the phrase entered the popular parlance with any real concern for human lives in general.

It could just be people being annoyed with the climate and just using the blanket statement opinion which I also do. I'm not getting involved in any of this

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Most people fall into two categories. The first are well meaning people missing the point, the second are people intentionally deflecting from the point with semantics

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

It could just be people being annoyed with the climate and just using the blanket statement opinion which I also do. I'm not getting involved in any of this

You're literally getting involved in it right now and every time you say All Lives Matter. Shutting up is how you don't get involved in stuff. I do it all the time in real life. Super effective

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The problem with the term all lives matter is that it's not taken by face value, nor was it adopted as such. It came as a response to black lives matter, where it tries to downplay the violence and racism the black community suffers from.

While no one should be the victim of racism, it's asinine to downplay or outright ignore the disproportionate amount of racial attacks in the country.

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I always felt like "our lives matter" or "black lives matter too" would have been much more powerful messaging and sidestepped a lot of the dumb arguements while still getting the point across

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You guys give stupid people way too much credit

90% of the ALM crowd just think blm is just a "we matter more than you" slogan

The other 10% are smart enough to know what it's about and just want to move the conversation

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

You're literally getting involved in it right now and every time you say All Lives Matter. Shutting up is how you don't get involved in stuff. I do it all the time in real life. Super effective

In just feeling argumentative

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When you say all lives matter you actually are including all living things. All people matter is much more appropriate unless you're willing to defend non human life

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Malcrasternus posted...

The problem with the term all lives matter is that it's not taken by face value, nor was it adopted as such. It came as a response to black lives matter, where it tries to downplay the violence and racism the black community suffers from.

While no one should be the victim of racism, it's asinine to downplay or outright ignore the disproportionate amount of racial attacks in the country.

Unfortunately a lot of the violence in the black community comes from the black community

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Why wouldn't it include them

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I always felt like "our lives matter" or "black lives matter too" would have been much more powerful messaging and sidestepped a lot of the dumb arguements while still getting the point across

I feel like these sort of arguments are raised for every protest or movement ever. That is they somehow worded it better nobody would have an issue.

But this is never going to be the case.

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Why are they yelling this at protesters and not the ones killing unarmed black people?


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WizardPowers posted...

90% of the ALM crowd just think blm is just a "we matter more than you" slogan

Thats what it seems to be, given that the statistics of police shootings and killings aren't in their favor

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

When you say all lives matter you actually are including all living things. All people matter is much more appropriate unless you're willing to defend non human life

Yeah, I've always thought this too. If you want to play semantics to this level then what about cattle?

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Dathrowed1 posted...

Unfortunately a lot of the violence in the black community comes from the black community

Same for white communities.

Darmik posted...

I feel like these sort of arguments are raised for every protest or movement ever. That is they somehow worded it better nobody would have an issue.

But this is never going to be the case.

Well, it's also looking at events years ago in retrospect with the perspective of knowing future reactions

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Grasp the slogan, or the organization? Two very different things.

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Do black lives matter when it's not a cop that fires the gun?

All Lives Matter goes without saying, people need to be reminded that Black Lives do. There are some racists out there to use it to be hurtful. There are also people out there that legitimately don't understand why saying All Lives Matter is an issue because in their mind it's just saying everyone in the world matters.

Saying All Lives Matter can come from ignorance and not racism, but there are still a lot of racist fucks out there that use it that way as well.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Well, it's also looking at events years ago in retrospect with the perspective of knowing future reactions

Sure but it's always said.

Why is it called feminism and not humanism.

Why is it called MeToo when it's NotAllMen

There's no point pandering to people who aren't interested in listening.

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Also, the "All Lives Matter" crowd never bring that same energy in response to "Blue Lives Matter."

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coh posted...

Do black lives matter when it's not a cop that fires the gun?

Do all lives matter when a white person decides to go on a shooting spree?

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SomeGuyUO posted...

Same for white communities.

But arent white communities statistically much safer?

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Darmik posted...

There's no point pandering to people who aren't interested in listening.

Well, I take small issue with that. For one, the people who "arent willling to listen" arent going anywhere. And second, the kids growing up today are drawing their views from the messages and events around them.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Well, I take small issue with that. For one, the people who "arent willling to listen" arent going anywhere. And second, the kids growing up today are drawing their views from the messages and events around them.

I think everyone knows they're not going anywhere. Which is why these campaigns exist to begin with.

The "You're wording your message wrong!" is just deflecting away from the issue at hand.

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Frogles posted...

isn't that heavily implied by the word "all"

Of course.

Darmik posted...

I think everyone knows they're not going anywhere. Which is why these campaigns exist to begin with.

The "You're wording your message wrong!" is just deflecting away from the issue at hand.

My initial point was to avoid defections.....

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In theory, All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter should be fighting for the same things.

In practice, All Lives Matter are just a bunch of racists.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

My initial point was to avoid defection.....

There is no way to avoid it because there's no way to actually word issues in a way that pleases everyone or force them to understand a perspective that isn't their own.

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Darmik posted...

There is no way to avoid it because there's no way to actually word issues in a way that pleases everyone or force them to understand a perspective that isn't their own.

Okay, but that aside do you see the obvious problem that you almost immediately jumped on the stance that I'm deflecting when I'm clearly not?

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If All lives matter people were not full of shit, they would complain about blue lives matter but most of them never do. So out of here with that bullshit .

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Okay, but that aside do you see the obvious problem that you almost immediately jumped on the stance that I'm deflecting when I'm clearly not?

I was talking about the sentiment of "They should have worded their movement better" in general.

It doesn't change anything.

A guy kneels during the American Anthem and he's disrespecting the troops. There's always a way to spin negativity for any protest.

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Someone should ask "All Lives Matter" if they ate bacon for breakfast that morning, and if those pigs lives mattered.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Someone should ask "All Lives Matter" if they ate bacon for breakfast that morning, and if those pigs lives mattered.

Huh? Im assuming you must not eat anything then.

When a person, typically white, says this they mean, there is no problem with how blacks are treated in America.


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ohiostate124 posted...

Huh? Im assuming you must not eat anything then.

I'm a vegan.

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Pepys Monster posted...

I'm a vegan.

Plants are living

Pepys Monster posted...

I'm a vegan.

Fell right into that one

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