Poll of the Day > You know, old people have both UBI and UHC.

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They just dont want younger folk to have it.

Old people being old people.

blu posted...

They just dont want younger folk to have it.

Old people being old people.

If I interpret your acronyms correctly as Universal Basic Income (rather than the more common United Bank of India in the news) and Universal Health Care (rather than the insurance company United Healthcare).

I paid into Social Security for 50 years to qualify for my pitiful stipend. I can't afford to buy Medicare (no, it's not free), I 'd rather have car insurance since I can't afford both.

And I'm still paying into Social Security, I don't make enough to pay income tax, but Self-Employment tax still takes 15% of my little gig income.

I don't worry about what younger people qualify for or don't. But you certainly have some strange and false ideas about Social Security and Medicare. Where are you from?

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Its not really UBI or UHC if everyone isn't getting it.

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The health care at least used to blow in some states, and it's not really UBI, in theory eventually you'll get back more then you paid into social security but in reality that often doesn't happen.

Most of the people who do are in old age homes by that time and wish they could die.

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wolfy42 posted...

Most of the people who do are in old age homes by that time and wish they could die.

Or are completely unaware. A good chunk seem to be miserable or so far gone they seem to be stuck in some 'golden period' from the past.

I remember when our neighbor (not direct, on house between us) walked into our house when I was a kid just flipping out. Swearing her husband was dead. He wasn't. He came to get her.

At that point she had more good days than days like that, and honestly I think the rare occurrence only happened at night (and not every night if course, again was rare at that point but that wasn't the first time she thought that apparently). But yeah scared the hell out of me.

But my great grandparents made it to like 93 ish, and they seemed pretty alright up to the end. Lived in their own place and everything. Family visited, but none were really there needing to take care of them really. Exception to the rule, I know. Most seem to fall in the first mentioned states.

blu posted...

They just dont want younger folk to have it.

Old people being old people.

In the case of SS, most of them paid into it most of their lives and -- in all honesty -- had they been allowed to invest that money, may have even made more in the long run. Young people haven't done that work. More importantly, SS is going to eventually implode.

As for Medicare, it's kinda garbage. Without UHC, you have doctors who refuse to take Medicare patients -- because they get paid more on non-Medicare patients -- which ensures a lower-standard of care, not to mention that Medicare patients themselves don't get everything you would on a normal insurance plan. Personally, if I can avoid it, I don't plan on ever winding up on Medicare. Given that I also don't plan on ever retiring (also if I can manage it) -- doubly so after enduring this fucking shutdown -- I should generally have a plan available through an employer. In general, anything involving the government is a headache.


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