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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:41:00 AM
#151:


kg88222 posted...
Either way you sound like douchebags so you both lose. I really don't think either of you have the cognitive ability to recognize that.


"someone pay attention to me!"

There, now shut up

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:42:47 AM
#152:


Frolex posted...
Well I'm talking about the outcome of a specific policy, you're mostly just going out of your way to avoid it


You probably can't even articulate in basic details the policy you're talking about. Much less carry on a back and forth about it.

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BanHammer
07/28/20 8:43:44 AM
#153:


left - give us all free shit
right - dont pay any of them enough to buy their shit

middle - work reasonably to afford our shit and spend a lil xtra to help my buddy who cant work

now whos the bad guy
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Machete
07/28/20 8:44:04 AM
#154:


asdf8562 posted...
You're not helping to prove my point wrong.....
The topic of immigration has been a subject long before Trump. I dont support Trump or his policies so he's irrelevant to my posts.

Immigration is a big example to a complex issue. Even with immigration alone theres a lot to address. For example illegal immigration (a separate issue to HOW or IF they are deported) isn't an agreed upon subject. Just the simple topic of an immigrant crossing the border illegally is polarized by the 2 vocally loudest sides.
"If you don't support immigrants pouring in illegally, you hate immigrants, you're a racist."
"If you do support illegal immigration, youre a radical left who supports open borders."

This logic that theres only 2 sides to an issue is no different than the logic our snowflake in chief uses.

My stance is that it should be looked at on a case-by-case discretionary basis and I haven't seen anyone else on the left definitively contradict that or act as though it's this 2 sides issue as you describe it, while on the other hand everyone on the right that I see is "immigration bad and everyone on the left wants open borders!!!11!" so really with your two quotes there, the latter is absolutely true but the former is not something I've actually seen (other than as the right's assumptive perception of the left). The section I bolded, I completely agree with you on.

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Machete
07/28/20 8:44:51 AM
#155:


Solid Snake07 posted...
dying video game message board



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Trigg3rH4ppy
07/28/20 8:44:59 AM
#156:


DoomsSD posted...
Elon Musk knows.
Elon Musk is off his meds again

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Frolex
07/28/20 8:46:40 AM
#157:


Solid Snake07 posted...
You probably can't even articulate in basic details the policy you're talking about. Much less carry on a back and forth about it.

I wouldn't call this a back and forth, closer to me watching footage of a turtle that can't get off its back

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kg88222
07/28/20 8:48:20 AM
#158:


I agree. Have you spoken to the people here? Sometimes it's not worth it. I think the bigger issue is there really are more than two sides of the debate as well. Way past that. Like the fact people in our own country do work overseas and in other countries. These boards are full of trash people and losers who have no clue what they are talking about. Every time they open their mouth is what they should do.
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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:50:21 AM
#160:


Frolex posted...
I wouldn't call this a back and forth, closer to me watching footage of a turtle that can't get off its back


Probably what the one and only girl you've ever rubbed dirty bits with was thinking

Jking, I know that never happened, lol

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:51:03 AM
#161:


kg88222 posted...
Seriously dickhead why not take your own advice? I don't care if you pay attention to me or not. You are going to shut up though.


I am?

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Machete
07/28/20 8:52:33 AM
#163:


kg88222 posted...
I agree. Have you spoken to the people here? Sometimes it's not worth it. I think the bigger issue is there really are more than two sides of the debate as well. Way past that. Like the fact people in our own country do work overseas and in other countries. These boards are full of trash people and losers who have no clue what they are talking about. Every time they open their mouth is what they should do.

One read that I'm getting on you is that you seem to express your thoughts/beliefs/opinions in your own words, which is always a good thing and is refreshing on here. Too many don't do that and just resort to regurgitating memes and buzz-speak. For example, "These boards are full of trash people and losers who have no clue what they are talking about." comes across as an original thought, unlike the meme and buzz-phrase "dying video game message board."

edit: oops, I confused you with the other user I was talking to, so this post is now a bit out of context. It remains true though.

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Antifar
07/28/20 8:52:36 AM
#164:


Topic's not great
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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:53:47 AM
#165:


kg88222 posted...
Yep I would absolutely destroy you like the loser you are.


Watch out guys, we've got a forum badass in 2020.

You're a pretty rare breed these days. Most people understand how pathetic this looks

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Frolex
07/28/20 8:54:28 AM
#166:




Solid Snake07 posted...
Probably what the one and only girl you've ever rubbed dirty bits with was thinking

Jking, I know that never happened, lol

Of course you're kidding, that's not at all what your mother said to me

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:56:01 AM
#167:


Frolex posted...
Of course you're kidding, that's not at all what your mother said to me


Damn. mom jokes too? you guys are taking me back

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 8:59:40 AM
#168:


Lol, and he gets warned. Love how he hurls an unprovoked insult and then got his panties in a bunch over a small verbal jab back.

the SDE is strong

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Frolex
07/28/20 9:03:17 AM
#169:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Damn. mom jokes too? you guys are taking me back

not a bad thing, maybe a second at elementary school could do you some good

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 9:11:06 AM
#170:


Frolex posted...
not a bad thing, maybe a second at elementary school could do you some good


Calm down princess. It's fine you don't understand finance. You've got plenty of company

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The Trent
07/28/20 9:12:09 AM
#171:


it's always great when these topics just devolve into a handful of people namecalling each other

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Machete
07/28/20 9:12:24 AM
#172:


It will be interesting to see how post #168 ages...

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Solar_Crimson
07/28/20 9:18:22 AM
#173:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Well both if those are terrible opinions that are cruel and/or out of touch with reality
How is the first one a cruel and terrible opinion?

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Frolex
07/28/20 9:21:58 AM
#174:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Calm down princess. It's fine you don't understand finance. You've got plenty of company

And we'll all be there clapping for you at middle school graduation

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teddy241
07/28/20 9:27:01 AM
#175:


there is no middle. we are divided
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Kalavinka
07/28/20 9:35:47 AM
#176:


asdf8562 posted...
I rarely post on this board, nice try though.

But please do further my point.

I didn't mean you, I meant gunplagirl. Also, as someone who leans centre-leftish (by non-American standards), the "woke" crowd pisses me off with their corruption of otherwise decent ideas.

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 9:48:27 AM
#177:


Solar_Crimson posted...
How is the first one a cruel and terrible opinion?


The first one was out of touch. The second is cruel

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asdf8562
07/28/20 10:06:57 AM
#178:


Kalavinka posted...
I didn't mean you, I meant gunplagirl. Also, as someone who leans centre-leftish (by non-American standards), the "woke" crowd pisses me off with their corruption of otherwise decent ideas.
Ya, I apologize about my response. I jumped to conclusions when I replied to you. And after reading your post again, dont know why I jumped to that conclusion in the first place.
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Veggeta X
07/28/20 10:27:18 AM
#180:


The Trent posted...
it's always great when these topics just devolve into a handful of people namecalling each other
This.

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legendary_zell
07/28/20 10:28:15 AM
#182:


Trump is sending in secret police to rough up and abduct protesters in order to win an election and is botching the public health and economic response to a pandemic so badly that this country is experiencing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and will likely soon face once in a lifetime crises in housing and education.

If the left is "losing you" under these circumstances because they want you to have healthcare or they're too "woke" for you, you're not in the middle. You are very right wing and are simply unaware of it.

One ideology is fully on board with all the fuckery happening right now, the other wants to address the root causes. We're being led down the path of less economic security, worse health, and fewer civil liberties and rights by the right wing all across America. If you see all that, hear someone talking too much about pronouns and say "the left is losing me" then you are beyond help.

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 10:30:51 AM
#183:


Machete posted...
One read that I'm getting on you is that you seem to express your thoughts/beliefs/opinions in your own words, which is always a good thing and is refreshing on here. Too many don't do that and just resort to regurgitating memes and buzz-speak. For example, "These boards are full of trash people and losers who have no clue what they are talking about." comes across as an original thought, unlike the meme and buzz-phrase "dying video game message board."

edit: oops, I confused you with the other user I was talking to, so this post is now a bit out of context. It remains true though.


Literally went old school grammar nazi and and complains others don't have anything original to say, lol

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Giant_Aspirin
07/28/20 10:31:00 AM
#184:


but Musk is a dipshit when it comes to politics. he also provided zero proof or evidence of his one-sentence claim. yawn.

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Solid Snake07
07/28/20 10:32:14 AM
#185:


shockthemonkey posted...
Wow this topic is horrible


I'm pretty proud of it. Two user meltdowns under my belt and it's not even noon

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iFuzedDaHostage
07/28/20 11:10:50 AM
#186:


Darmik posted...
If the left is losing the middle in the Trump era I don't think those people are really in the middle.
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Shinobi120
07/28/20 11:46:30 AM
#187:


legendary_zell posted...
Trump is sending in secret police to rough up and abduct protesters in order to win an election and is botching the public health and economic response to a pandemic so badly that this country is experiencing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths and will likely soon face once in a lifetime crises in housing and education.

If the left is "losing you" under these circumstances because they want you to have healthcare or they're too "woke" for you, you're not in the middle. You are very right wing and are simply unaware of it.

One ideology is fully on board with all the fuckery happening right now, the other wants to address the root causes. We're being led down the path of less economic security, worse health, and fewer civil liberties and rights by the right wing all across America. If you see all that, hear someone talking too much about pronouns and say "the left is losing me" then you are beyond help.
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asdf8562
07/28/20 12:06:57 PM
#188:


Shinobi120 posted...
Thank you.
His logic was akin to Trumps snowflake ideology. "100% my way on ALL issues or the highway" attitude. "Its great you agree with me on x and y, but since you disagree on z, you are a bigot (or in Trumps and his cults goto counter argument, the radical left).

THATS why some don't want to be associated with "the left." Not wanting to be associated with "the left" =/= wanting to associate with Trump or the right either.

Contrary to the purity belief system the two extremes are working on, theres more than 2 sides.

Like how our snowflake in chief has politicized wearing a fucking mask. This snowflake attacks members of his own cult the moment one of his religious followers have the audacity to disagree with even one thing his moron ass says. Suddenly he never liked them and theyre part of the radical left.
Or some in this topic taking losing "the left" as, "Vote Trump 2020!" "Its 100% my ideology, or you like Trump, his policies, and plan to vote for him."
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Night_Lock9
07/28/20 12:13:33 PM
#189:


The left are losing the majority.*
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LightBurn
07/28/20 12:14:24 PM
#190:


Night_Lock9 posted...
The left are losing the majority.*
Nah, that's Trump and by extension the GOP
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coolboy11
07/28/20 12:15:42 PM
#191:


The left in America went to the Right Center and is now *gasp* finally tired of trying to co govern with the Far Right Republican party and is reverting back to the actual Center rather than try and be the GOP lite
I say great

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pepper2012
07/28/20 12:28:27 PM
#192:


gunplagirl posted...
When one side is "everyone should be able to live without worrying about medical care, food, or housing, also equal rights for racial minorities and LGBT people" and the other side is "you're all on your own, also more money for the ultra rich, and LGBT people don't deserve rights"... Anyone who is still in the middle has shit opinions. And no, I won't try and meet the middle in the middle, that slight sliding scale is what the DNC has been doing for decades and look at all the good that's done them the first time they end up against someone who has zero qualms breaking the law or precedence.

Anyone who doesnt think exactly the same as me is a horrible person

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Soul_Devour
07/28/20 12:31:06 PM
#193:


The left ain't great but it sure beats having a dictator and his lackeys run the country.

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creativerealms
07/28/20 12:52:45 PM
#194:


Because the right is keeps shifting where the middle is.

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creativerealms
07/28/20 12:53:35 PM
#195:


Soul_Devour posted...
The left ain't great but it sure beats having a dictator and his lackeys run the country.
Yeah but Biden isn't even left.

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Soul_Devour
07/28/20 12:57:53 PM
#196:


creativerealms posted...
Yeah but Biden isn't even left.

Irrelevant. Still better than a dictator and his lackeys.

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MarqueeSeries
07/28/20 1:03:10 PM
#197:


Godnorgosh posted...
I'm glad our brilliant political scientist Elon Musk has notified us we are losing ground. We on the left shall surely take swift action to redeem ourselves in light of his tweet.

Be sure it's included in the group email. We'll need to discuss it at the next meeting

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legendary_zell
07/28/20 2:27:38 PM
#198:


asdf8562 posted...
His logic was akin to Trumps snowflake ideology. "100% my way on ALL issues or the highway" attitude. "Its great you agree with me on x and y, but since you disagree on z, you are a bigot (or in Trumps and his cults goto counter argument, the radical left).

THATS why some don't want to be associated with "the left." Not wanting to be associated with "the left" =/= wanting to associate with Trump or the right either.

Contrary to the purity belief system the two extremes are working on, theres more than 2 sides.

Like how our snowflake in chief has politicized wearing a fucking mask. This snowflake attacks members of his own cult the moment one of his religious followers have the audacity to disagree with even one thing his moron ass says. Suddenly he never liked them and theyre part of the radical left.
Or some in this topic taking losing "the left" as, "Vote Trump 2020!" "Its 100% my ideology, or you like Trump, his policies, and plan to vote for him."

I literally said no part of this. You substituted what I said for something you'd prefer to attack instead. We call that a strawman.

There's a lot in between where I am and where Trump is and I'm fine with most of that ground, even if I think they're wrong. I'm fine with Dems who want a public option, anti-abortion Dems, religious Dems, actual libertarians, etc. It's not about agreeing with me. What I'm critiquing is this idea that anything the American left or the Democratic Party is doing could justify an ostensibly "neutral" or "moderate" person to identify more with the current right than the left.

When you look at what the right in this country is actually doing, it should be clear that there is no equivalence with the left.


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IShall_Run_Amok
07/28/20 2:33:11 PM
#199:


Oh no, now they won't vote for communists in the rigged elections. This has never happened before.

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creativerealms
07/28/20 5:11:17 PM
#200:


Soul_Devour posted...
Irrelevant. Still better than a dictator and his lackeys.
No argument there.

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