Poll of the Day > Banning neck restraints is popular now but accountability is the problem

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I was considering the recent events around Floyd and wondered why choke holds were even being used because as far as I knew you can actually press on both of someones carotids to knock them out without ever having to restrict their wind pipe. Turns out choke holds are being used to refer to both strangle and chokeholds. Many major cities have already long banned them.

Here an NPR article discussing it.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/16/877527974/how-decades-of-bans-on-police-chokeholds-have-fallen-short

The problem comes down to failing to execute a technique properly that should actually not choke the person at all AND that these failures are something cops aren't held accountable to. I personally don't understand why everyone jumps to the defense of cops on this. This is something we already do with doctors. If a doctor is held accountable for completely botching a case why shouldn't a cop for excessive force? They are supposed to be professionals and a death should be considered a massive fuck up by all accounts instead of slipped under the rug like they are now. It seems to me the politicians are just trying to throw it under the rug to appease the masses with neck restraint bans.

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Maybe they should just keep their hands off of people unless that person is actually trying to harm them

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"I wasn't trying to prevent air from getting to his lungs, I was only trying to prevent blood from getting to his brain"

Yeah let's prohibit both

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Clench281 posted...

"I wasn't trying to prevent air from getting to his lungs, I was only trying to prevent blood from getting to his brain"

Yeah let's prohibit both

I mean fair. I would argue there are benefits to a stranglehold in limiting damage but our cops are only the most basic of trained. It is going in that direction but still kind of misses the point. Cops do a lot of terrible shit beyond just chokeholds. For example no-knock raids that result in civilian deaths. You would think these no knock raids are used with discretion but apparently such discretion is incredibly blurred. At the end of the day it becomes once again about accountability. Article below.

https://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7083371/swat-no-knock-raids-police-killed-civilians-dangerous-work-drugs

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Isn't killing a detainee before their trial akin to a contractor blowing up a house before building their deck?

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Lokarin posted...

Isn't killing a detainee before their trial akin to a contractor blowing up a house before building their deck?

no

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Abolish qualified immunity

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even the safe versions are getting banned
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Most people are so weak, even the safest choke hold could be deadly.

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