Board 8 > If anyone thought the new live-action Avatar: The Last Airbender would be good..

(+) Yeah! (+)

Bad news:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDy5Fp4H7Fw/
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wow that sucks

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what a tweest

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The year is 2048. There are over 30 James Cameron "Avatar" movies. The latest one earned $16,000 at the box office. People look at its manic, bionic creator, raving insanely in Camerondia (formerly the Mariana Islands), with resignation, and at his movies with pity. After his latest bomb, mankind collectively sighs, "At least its better than the latest The Last Airbender reprisal"

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Well crap

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Never had any hope for the live action version anyway, there's no possible way for it to live up to the original animation.

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my hype went from meh to zero

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Are Netflix still planning on doing a live-action Cowboy Bebop? Because their track record now has me really worried about that one.
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NFUN posted...

The year is 2048. There are over 30 James Cameron "Avatar" movies. The latest one earned $16,000 at the box office. People look at its manic, bionic creator, raving insanely in Camerondia (formerly the Mariana Islands), with resignation, and at his movies with pity. After his latest bomb, mankind collectively sighs, "At least its better than the latest The Last Airbender reprisal"

False, Avatar 2 won't be out by then.

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Snrkiko posted...

my hype went from meh to zero

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andylt posted...

False, Avatar 2 won't be out by then.

I didn't say it would be

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I don't understand this
Creative differences between co-workers is one thing...but with the fucking creators of the franchise?
They fucking made it. They are the reason it was successful. They fucking know what they are doing. They built the world, the characters, the settings, the humor, everything - they know better than anyone else how to make it successful
The staff should ask them about anything. They should have a a near veto power on every single decision. Every single person on the set should listen to what they have to say and agree with their vision

*(Of course there are some exceptions to this like Gamefreak and the fuck happened to the storyteller of Blizzard after TFT)

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Leaves from the vine...

BlackMageJawa posted...

Are Netflix still planning on doing a live-action Cowboy Bebop? Because their track record now has me really worried about that one.

It had actually started filming and then John Cho got injured on set. Filming was put on hold for months until he recovered but they presumably haven't resumed yet because of the pandemic.

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I really want to know what the creative differences were

Like what's the chance they were just pulling a George Lucas/ phantom menace and Netflix stopped them? Less than 1%?

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Nanis23 posted...

I don't understand this
Creative differences between co-workers is one thing...but with the fucking creators of the franchise?
They fucking made it. They are the reason it was successful. They fucking know what they are doing. They built the world, the characters, the settings, the humor, everything - they know better than anyone else how to make it successful
The staff should ask them about anything. They should have a a near veto power on every single decision. Every single person on the set should listen to what they have to say and agree with their vision

let me explain it to you as briefly as possible:

Netflix.

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NFUN posted...

I didn't say it would be

What you did say is that there would be over 30 James Cameron Avatar movies, which is emphatically false, since James Cameron will never let anyone else direct any of them, and he'll forever take his sweet time making them.

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I have now learned that there is to be a live-action Avatar series. Super neutral on the matter. Whatever comes out will be what it is, and will not diminish what came before. It is just another part of the great cycle of milking beloved children's franchises for cash.

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Snrkiko posted...

my hype went from meh to zero

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WazzupGenius00 posted...

Leaves from the vine...

It had actually started filming and then John Cho got injured on set. Filming was put on hold for months until he recovered but they presumably haven't resumed yet because of the pandemic.

i'm also not concerned about CB. it isn't as fragile as ATLA. if it looks and sounds cool, it captures 80% of what made CB great!
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banananor posted...

Like what's the chance they were just pulling a George Lucas/ phantom menace and Netflix stopped them? Less than 1%?

I honestly believe they're a little higher than that. Korra's fine and all, but it's a perfect example of diminishing returns. Started out decent but by Book Four I was struggling to care. I think the chances are pretty good that these guys wanted to make big changes to the story/make it more like Korra/make it something completely different. Netflix countered by saying "just make it like the original show" and they balked. There's no reason Netflix would be against a live-action show that sticks to the original; what they would be against are showrunners who want to transform their content into something different than what they signed up for.

EDIT: All that being said, I have zero faith in a Netflix adaptation that sticks closely to the original WITHOUT the involvement of the original showrunners, so the project is just screwed at this point.

colliding posted...

Korra's fine and all, but it's a perfect example of diminishing returns. Started out decent but by Book Four I was struggling to care.

Books 3 and 4 were the best part of Korra!

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Books 3 and 4 were the best part of Korra!

Book 3, sure. I remember that season being hype. Granted, I probably need to rewatch the show but I remember being let down by Book 4.

My main problem with Korra is that the books feel vastly tonally different, I think. By the end of Book 1 I was getting used to the whole steampunk/western colonial vibe that was happening, and then Book 2 kind of throws that out the window. Whether the change was an improvement or not is kind of beside the point; the issue is that there's less continuity between seasons.

My secondary problem with Korra is that the supporting cast is just not very good.

Anyway, sorry for making this about Korra!

colliding posted...

I think the chances are pretty good that these guys wanted to make big changes to the story/make it more like Korra/make it something completely different. Netflix countered by saying "just make it like the original show" and they balked.

Lmao what? It was very likely the exact opposite of this.

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Forget chances of being good, this demolishes its chances of happening.

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Oh boy

https://fandomwire.com/exclusive-why-avatar-the-last-airbenders-creators-really-left-netflix/

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so the show is going to fail because that's apparently netflix's goal

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unnecessary grit in a netflix reboot? whoda thunk it

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Because it's not enough that the fire nation committed a genocide on the air benders, what if Aang FUCKS

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So will Aang kill Ozai this time?

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I think most of the cast being children was pretty important to the story, helping to illustrate the cost of war

A lot of choices the cast makes only make sense when they're teens at best. As adults some stuff would be ridiculous and indefensible

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I hope Netflix infuses some more drugs, sex, and rock n Roll. It's what it really needs, and what it missed in its original animated run.

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Nanis23 posted...

I don't understand this
Creative differences between co-workers is one thing...but with the fucking creators of the franchise?
They fucking made it. They are the reason it was successful. They fucking know what they are doing. They built the world, the characters, the settings, the humor, everything - they know better than anyone else how to make it successful
The staff should ask them about anything. They should have a a near veto power on every single decision. Every single person on the set should listen to what they have to say and agree with their vision

*(Of course there are some exceptions to this like Gamefreak and the fuck happened to the storyteller of Blizzard after TFT)

J K Rowling


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I can imagine Netflix not wanting to film potentially 3+ seasons where the characters start out 12, given how there can be years between seasons.

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I don't think this is what Netflix is suggesting, but I always thought more concrete romance plotlines would have had the potential to make the original show even better. Of course, I'm sure today they'd still be too big of cowards to make Katara/Zuko canon but whatever.
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pyresword posted...

I don't think this is what Netflix is suggesting, but I always thought more concrete romance plotlines would have had the potential to make the original show even better. Of course, I'm sure today they'd still be too big of cowards to make Katara/Zuko canon but whatever.

Naaah they're gonna make Azula x Zuko canon instead

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Anagram posted...

I can imagine Netflix not wanting to film potentially 3+ seasons where the characters start out 12, given how there can be years between seasons.

I don't really see how this would be a huge problem. There's no particular reason the basic plot can't take place over a long enough time period for aging to make sense, and it'd be easy enough to add timeskips between seasons to justify the obvious differences there.
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Pirateking2000 posted...

Naaah they're gonna make Azula x Zuko canon instead

This hurts me.
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redrocket posted...

Oh boy

https://fandomwire.com/exclusive-why-avatar-the-last-airbenders-creators-really-left-netflix/

Okay so yeah, I was apparently wrong.

Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with aging the characters up into teens, but they should still keep it family friendly obviously. This isn't the Witcher. The whitewashing would be a huge problem too.

pyresword posted...

This hurts me.

Yep better get used to it friend! Well assuming they don't make Azula x Ty Lee canon instead

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Anagram posted...

I can imagine Netflix not wanting to film potentially 3+ seasons where the characters start out 12, given how there can be years between seasons.

I mean Netflix's most popular show is about a group of 12 year olds so IDK

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I don't think Brike are entirely responsible for why Avatar was amazing when it was amazing. It's pretty well known that that Ehasz became head writer in season 2, which is when writing gets significantly better, and they were in control of the writing for the first two season of Korra..... which had a ton of questionable writing decisions.

I'm not convinced they would make a live action adaptation that lives up to the quality of Avatar the Last Airbender. I think they would make what *they* thought made ATLA good, but that's not the same thing.

I especially don't think a live action version should primarily be aimed at kids either. It worked in the cartoon, but even that was held back a bit by that. I don't think it should be full of sex and blood at all, so I hope that parts not true, but it can definitely be aged up a bit.

btw real fans call them Brike thats how you know I know what I'm talking about.

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colliding posted...

Okay so yeah, I was apparently wrong.

Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with aging the characters up into teens, but they should still keep it family friendly obviously. This isn't the Witcher. The whitewashing would be a huge problem too.

they're already in the teens. aang is 12 and everybody else is older (except Toph, but her being a kid is a lot of her character. a runaway story is a lot less interesting if it's a teenager)

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Ehasz's own show doesn't have nearly as good of writing so I don't think he was the missing piece here

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Writing isn't just plot, it's the whole world and characters. It's an economy and a feeling of completeness. S1 nailed all of that. Same with Korra S1. And despite how much Korra S2's plot sucked, it WAS written with S3 and S4 in mind, and set those up brilliantly.

Since this is just a remake of an existing story, I don't think Bryke are really that necessary tbh. It really just needs some good direction. But the movie (that doesn't exist) was just so bad that we can't trust anything without them anymore.

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redrocket posted...

Oh boy

https://fandomwire.com/exclusive-why-avatar-the-last-airbenders-creators-really-left-netflix/

Lmaooo

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Can't wait for Cole Sprouse as Zuko

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Nanis23 posted...

I don't understand this
Creative differences between co-workers is one thing...but with the fucking creators of the franchise?
They fucking made it. They are the reason it was successful. They fucking know what they are doing. They built the world, the characters, the settings, the humor, everything - they know better than anyone else how to make it successful
The staff should ask them about anything. They should have a a near veto power on every single decision. Every single person on the set should listen to what they have to say and agree with their vision

*(Of course there are some exceptions to this like Gamefreak and the fuck happened to the storyteller of Blizzard after TFT)

To play devil's advocate, for the Original Trilogy, George Lucas was kept in check. His creative ideas were allowed to flow, but within reason. When the Prequels came around, he had so much clout that they basically let him do whatever the hell he wanted, and we ended up with Jar Jar Binks.

To use a more contemporary example, look at the older MGS games, where Kojima was allowed to be creative, but was kept in check somewhat. Compare MGS/MGS2 to the raging dumpster fire that Death Stranding ended up being.

Sometimes creative people get too far up their own ass, and they need competent people to keep them in check. If the Netflix producers are competent, this could end up being a good thing for the series.

However it's far more likely that instead of keeping the creatives in check, they were more like typical film/TV producers and stupified the product to such an insane level that it doesnt even resemble the source material. Good examples of that include The Dark Tower movie, The Hobbit, or even the last time they tried to make a TLA movie.

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Death Stranding was pretty good.

colliding posted...

Death Stranding was pretty good.

It was my game of the year last year. I really enjoyed it.

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redrocket posted...

Oh boy

https://fandomwire.com/exclusive-why-avatar-the-last-airbenders-creators-really-left-netflix/

I'm actually relieved after reading this article. I remember in some behind the scenes clips from the avatar dvds, there were a few references to the creators being a bit tyrannical and kind of "their way or the highway."

Now, they created a masterpiece, so maybe they can be given leeway for that behavior, but it does allow for the opportunity for it all to go their heads and make them unagreeable to compromises that may not actually have a negative effect on the show.

With that aside, I kind of am on Netflix's side as far as their differing points. I wouldnt mind a somewhat different take on the avatar story. I don't think anyone wants to see just a complete "clip for clip" remake of the cartoon. I want to see something new, even if it is within the same story framework. And I don't mind if there is one or two white people in the cast, but I agree it shouldnt be whitewashed.

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