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Antifar
08/17/20 3:52:55 PM
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08/17/20 4:05:57 PM
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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 4:09:48 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
As much as I hate to side with them, Epics more on the right side of this, Apples practices are ridiculous. They way theyre trying to weaponize Fortnite children to fight this fight for them is pretty disgusting though.
I dont agree. Epic knew and was perfectly ok with the 30% app store cut for years before they chose to break the terms of their contract. Realisticly no court should look at this case and rule in favour of Epic. Epic is such a shit bag company as well, way worse than Apple.
A lower app store cut would help smaller developers and that would be good but i couldnt care less if epic had to pay 80%.

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SmidgeIsntBack
08/17/20 4:11:59 PM
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iPhones with Fortnite installed are about to flood Ebay.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
08/17/20 4:12:42 PM
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I think Apple is facing anti-trust lawsuits on their handling of their app store anyways. This just will maybe add some public fervor to it.

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Questionmarktarius
08/17/20 4:21:14 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
I think Apple is facing anti-trust lawsuits on their handling of their app store anyways. This just will maybe add some public fervor to it.
Apple has recently been leaning hard on apps that direct users elsewhere to sign up and pay instead of handling payments right there in the app, except for Netflix for some reason.
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OmegaPillow
08/17/20 4:22:04 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
I dont agree. Epic knew and was perfectly ok with the 30% app store cut for years before they chose to break the terms of their contract. Realisticly no court should look at this case and rule in favour of Epic. Epic is such a shit bag company as well, way worse than Apple.
A lower app store cut would help smaller developers and that would be good but i couldnt care less if epic had to pay 80%.
Epic is worse then apple roflmfao nice joke . Reason you say this is because you dislike fortnite which is pretty sad.

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MC_BatCommander
08/17/20 4:23:14 PM
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I'm conflicted.

On one hand, fuck Apple.

On the other, fuck Epic

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Tyranthraxus
08/17/20 4:24:08 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
As much as I hate to side with them, Epics more on the right side of this, Apples practices are ridiculous. They way theyre trying to weaponize Fortnite children to fight this fight for them is pretty disgusting though.

Epic is absolutely 100% in the right here.

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Smashingpmkns
08/17/20 4:25:30 PM
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Defending Apple just because you really hate Epic is so weird.
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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 4:26:39 PM
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OmegaPillow posted...
Epic is worse then apple roflmfao nice joke . Reason you say this is because you dislike fortnite which is pretty sad.
Idgaf about fortnight. I dislike epic because of their store and anti-consumer practices. The fact you ignore that is sad

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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 4:27:12 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Epic is absolutely 100% in the right here.
They arent. They are 100% wrong.

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CruelBuffalo
08/17/20 4:28:14 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Defending Apple just because you really hate Epic is so weird.

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Tyranthraxus
08/17/20 4:30:38 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
They arent. They are 100% wrong.

No. You see this statement here you made?

Rika_Furude posted...
Idgaf about fortnight. I dislike epic because of their store and anti-consumer practices. The fact you ignore that is sad

Apple is 500x more guilty of that then Epic. If you actually cared about anticonsumer practices you would not want Apple to win here.

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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 4:33:34 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No. You see this statement here you made?

Apple is 500x more guilty of that then Epic. If you actually cared about anticonsumer practices you would not want Apple to win here.
I think wanting apple to lose a lawsuit relating to a different company breaking the terms of their contract is a terrible decision. I dont think any large company needs people defending them. Im just looking at the scope of this lawsuit and it would be terrible for epic to win because then whats the point of contracts?

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Tyranthraxus
08/17/20 4:36:01 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
I think wanting apple to lose a lawsuit relating to a different company breaking the terms of their contract is a terrible decision. I dont think any large company needs people defending them. Im just looking at the scope of this lawsuit and it would be terrible for epic to win because then whats the point of contracts?
If the contract is in violation of anti trust then the contract is wrong. This is Epic's argument. Epic isn't denying that they violated the contract.

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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 10:36:33 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
If the contract is in violation of anti trust then the contract is wrong. This is Epic's argument. Epic isn't denying that they violated the contract.
Its a manufactured lawsuit. They had it prepared for the second they got banned because thats what they wanted apple to do. Epic arent a victim.

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Tyranthraxus
08/17/20 10:38:57 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Its a manufactured lawsuit. They had it prepared for the second they got banned because thats what they wanted apple to do. Epic arent a victim.

I don't think they wanted Apple to can them. They were just prepared for it. It's unlikely they would have sued had Apple did nothing in response.

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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 10:41:33 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't think they wanted Apple to can them. They were just prepared for it. It's unlikely they would have sued had Apple did nothing in response.
For as much as a shit company Epic are, they arent stupid. They knew that a breach of contract would result in a ban. This is the course they wanted.

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Irony
08/17/20 11:04:29 PM
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Fuck Epic. They very clearly deliberately started this knowing a lawsuit would happen. Hope Apple and Google bury them.

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iPhone_7
08/17/20 11:07:55 PM
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People keep leaving out the part about Google having removed Fortnite from their store as well. Epic is filing separate lawsuits against both these giants.

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Unknown361
08/17/20 11:12:15 PM
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Irony posted...
Fuck Epic. They very clearly deliberately started this knowing a lawsuit would happen. Hope Apple and Google bury them.


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sktgamer_13dude
08/17/20 11:12:26 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...


I don't think they wanted Apple to can them. They were just prepared for it. It's unlikely they would have sued had Apple did nothing in response.

They 100% wanted Apple to take them off so that they could file this lawsuit.

You have to be damaged before you can sue.
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Sir Will
08/17/20 11:12:43 PM
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The 30% is way too bloody high. But Epic sucks too.

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nfearurspecimn
08/17/20 11:14:19 PM
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If Epic is going to martyr itself to bust up Apple's anti-developer game I'm all for it.

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p-m
08/17/20 11:14:38 PM
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Why do nerds hate Epic now? Something to do with free games and offering games for sale being a terrible thing. Irrational loyalty to Steam?

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nfearurspecimn
08/17/20 11:15:30 PM
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Why do nerds hate Epic now? Something to do with free games and offering games for sale being a terrible thing. Irrational loyalty to Steam?
China spyware. To make an account you have to put in an extreme amount of personal info and who knows what they do with it.

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Prismsblade
08/17/20 11:16:48 PM
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Sir Will posted...
The 30% is way too bloody high. But Epic sucks too.
Most app stores aside from apple charge 30% also. So it's not like apple is abusing its monopoly to jack up prices far above its competitors who are a non issue on their platform.

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p-m
08/17/20 11:17:47 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
China spyware. To make an account you have to put in an extreme amount of personal info and who knows what they do with it.
I have a Chinese phone so yeah I wouldn't care about that. And countless apps and companies spy on all of us for the US government, but I guess that's fine.

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Mr_Karate_II
08/17/20 11:17:53 PM
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Fuck both of them, i don't like Apple any way but Epic isn't in the right, pretty sure they've done some anti-consumer bullshit.


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nfearurspecimn
08/17/20 11:18:32 PM
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p-m posted...
I have a Chinese phone so yeah I wouldn't care about that. And countless apps and companies spy on all of us for the US government, but I guess that's fine.
rather the devil you know than the devil you don't. China is a lot scarier than the US Government tbh

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p-m
08/17/20 11:26:09 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
rather the devil you know than the devil you don't. China is a lot scarier than the US Government tbh
The USA has killed more people and does more damage on a global scale. I'm far more concerned about the cia having my data than China

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darkbuster
08/17/20 11:26:32 PM
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Epic has a completely legitimate claim, & 30% (apparently it's basically an industry standard) is overall too high. Yet I can't get behind the validity of the claim, when Epic essentially decided to weaponize their (predominantly) child fanbase to defy an arrangement that they willingly agreed to.

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nfearurspecimn
08/17/20 11:28:17 PM
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p-m posted...
The USA has killed more people and does more damage on a global scale. I'm far more concerned about the cia having my data than China
See I don't get that logic. The USA is killing OTHER people, and allowing US freedom. We are certainly not Angels (see pic), but China, if they had us by the balls, would enslave us. Btw not mad just discussing.


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Mr_Karate_II
08/17/20 11:28:25 PM
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Pretty sure epic broke the terms of the agreement so they shouldn't have a case.

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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 11:28:40 PM
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p-m posted...
Why do nerds hate Epic now? Something to do with free games and offering games for sale being a terrible thing. Irrational loyalty to Steam?
Everyones always hated epic. China trash, exclusivity deals are so anti-consumer and toxic. Theres nothing to like about epic.

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Darmik
08/17/20 11:38:03 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Pretty sure epic broke the terms of the agreement so they shouldn't have a case.

Their case is that Apple and Google shouldn't have as much control as they do over the smartphone market.

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Rika_Furude
08/17/20 11:40:51 PM
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Darmik posted...
Their case is that Apple and Google shouldn't have as much control as they do over the smartphone market.
Why cant epic make their own phones and compete?

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Sir Will
08/17/20 11:44:01 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Most app stores aside from apple charge 30% also. So it's not like apple is abusing its monopoly to jack up prices far above its competitors who are a non issue on their platform.
It's a ridiculous rate on Steam and whoever else too.

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Darmik
08/17/20 11:49:38 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Why cant epic make their own phones and compete?

How has that worked out for anyone else who tried that?

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Tyranthraxus
08/18/20 12:49:00 AM
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Darmik posted...
How has that worked out for anyone else who tried that?

Amazon is the only one who has anything remotely approaching success and they didn't have much of it.

They are far more likely to get much better results with less money by making Verizon have all their locked phones come with it preinstalled.

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Rika_Furude
08/18/20 12:54:45 AM
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Darmik posted...
How has that worked out for anyone else who tried that?
So the only answer is to be non-competetive and sue anyone more successful than you? Just because you want to make a few more dollars on your phone app? Just seems so ridiculous and fake

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SocksForWokMAX2
08/18/20 12:56:42 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
As much as I hate to side with them, Epics more on the right side of this, Apples practices are ridiculous. They way theyre trying to weaponize Fortnite children to fight this fight for them is pretty disgusting though.

Lol no.

Fortnite is on every other fucking platform. If they wanna be on either Android or iOS, theyll need to follow the rules.
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Calwings
08/18/20 1:11:31 AM
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Sir Will posted...
The 30% is way too bloody high. But Epic sucks too.

nfearurspecimn posted...
If Epic is going to martyr itself to bust up Apple's anti-developer game I'm all for it.

This. They both suck, but in this case, Epic sucks slightly less and them winning could bring about some positive change for others that don't suck.
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Tyranthraxus
08/18/20 1:12:28 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
So the only answer is to be non-competetive and sue anyone more successful than you? Just because you want to make a few more dollars on your phone app? Just seems so ridiculous and fake

How about apple lets people actually install whatever the fuck they want on their phones?

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Mr_Karate_II
08/18/20 1:35:00 AM
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I hope the lawsuit is thrown out because Epic is in breach of contract. They agreed to the 30% and they're going behind Apple's back.

Fortnite is fucking trash anyway, it's cancer in gaming. Now literally every FPS has a battle royal mode, that's why i hate Fortnite.

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pres_madagascar
08/18/20 1:40:27 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
China spyware. To make an account you have to put in an extreme amount of personal info and who knows what they do with it.
To be fair, most games on mobile nowadays ask for a shit load of access.

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