Poll of the Day > Gotham Knights game reveal trailer

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://youtu.be/IhVf_3TeTQE

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Gameplay:

https://youtu.be/hJjRRErYdO4

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That looks really damn cool

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Looks like it might be pretty cool. I hope its not a game where you have to be online though even though theyre focusing on optional co-op. If Im playing by myself Id rather not have to even worry about my connection to a server.

Also its a petty gripe but I dont like their choice of voice actress for her character in particular, kinda hope thats not their final choice.

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Saw this yesterday, gonna throw it in here because I don't feel like making a separate topic:

https://youtu.be/O2nNljv0MOw

@SunWuKung420

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2P coop

GASP

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Still doesn't seem like the old Arkham games, though, more like a spinoff. Looking forward to Court of Owls.

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Kinda don't like that enemies have health bars.

I would have preferred they keep the Free Flow Combat system.

Not looking forward to a case of "bigger numbers beat smaller numbers" type of combat.

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@Far-Queue

That game looks awesome. They didn't quite get my look right but good enough.

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This looks great. Some folk think this could be a live service game but it seems to me it's single player but features drop in and out online co-op. In the cutscene with Mr Freeze we only see Batgirl so perhaps that's a Batgirl only mission and Robin is just another player who has joined the mission. I'm looking forward to this.

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I doubt this has any connection to the Arkham games.

Jason Todd/Red Hood doesn't have his "J" scar under his eye.

No Tim Drake/Red Robin (unless he's DLC for later; but he did play a part in the Arkham series)

Gordon never died at the end of Arkham Knight; unless he died after Batman "did" at the end of Arkham Knight, then again why did Batman mention it?....Therefore, it's a plothole if they are trying to connect this to the Arkham series.


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I really hope this is good.

It won't be, but I really want it to be.

They've said its not a live service but I literally don't believe them.

It would be so sick if the Bat Family actually got some mainstream appeal and we could maybe see some version of Robin on the big screen again.

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Mead posted...

Also its a petty gripe but I dont like their choice of voice actress for her character in particular, kinda hope thats not their final choice.

Very much doubt they're going to recast an entire role after releasing a gameplay trailer, considering dialogue is usually one of the earliest things they produce in the development process for games.

IMDB says the VA is America Young, who doesn't seem to have voiced Batgirl before, but she's not too far out of line for what I'd expect from the character. Though I agree, I don't really like it all that much either.

Though now I'm curious - which of the various versions of Batgirl voice do you consider to be one of the better ones? I don't think she's ever really had a universally iconic voice in the same way that, say, Batman or Joker have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIKc1mZyOpw

I think I might go with Tara Strong, personally. But there really isn't one voice that really hits home strongly for me. I don't know if there's ever really been a VA for her that really clicks for me. But that might be because I tend to think of her more as older Barbara Gordon/Oracle than I do a younger Batgirl, so most of the younger voices jar a bit for me.



Blightzkrieg posted...

I really hope this is good.

It won't be, but I really want it to be.

I've already sort of checked out because I think the Court of Owls are a terrible concept, and the fact that they're using them means I'm probably going to dislike the story.

That's a problem I'm going to have more and more as time goes on, though. It seems the comic companies are really keen on adapting storylines and characters that mostly came out over the last 20 years or so (as opposed to the 40-60 years worth of material before that), but I think the last decade or so has produced some of the worst storylines ever. So a lot of the things I hate about modern comics are slowly becoming the things I hate about modern comic films/shows/cartoons/games as well.
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I would say Tara Strong too

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Who're the court of owls? Are they like the illuminati of Gotham?

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Though now I'm curious - which of the various versions of Batgirl voice do you consider to be one of the better ones? I don't think she's ever really had a universally iconic voice in the same way that, say, Batman or Joker have.

I dont really know a whole lot about batgirl tbh, the voice just sounds like a teen girl to me and I dunno I guess I just expect a vigilante character like that to sound more experienced or mature

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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Who're the court of owls? Are they like the illuminati of Gotham?

Imagine an Illuminati of bird-people who operate like the Assassins in Assassins Creed.

Basically that. But even more stupid.
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Mead posted...

I dont really know a whole lot about batgirl tbh, the voice just sounds like a teen girl to me and I dunno I guess I just expect a vigilante character like that to sound more experienced or mature

Yeah, see, that's my mindset as well.

But most interpretations of the character tend to play her more with a teen-girl sort of voice, even when she really isn't a teenager anymore. It kind of makes sense for younger portrayals of the character, not so much for ones where she's been Batgirl for years, or after she becomes Oracle. I basically want a deeper female voice, while DC seems to have decided that a higher, more nasal sound is her default.

I wasn't too opposed to Ashley Greene in Arkham Knight, though.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I've already sort of checked out because I think the Court of Owls are a terrible concept, and the fact that they're using them means I'm probably going to dislike the story.

At least in a lot of the Arkham games, they tend to tease one villain in the trailers and then veer elsewhere during the actual game. So I wouldn't be surprised if we see somebody else feature as the main antagonist, as they're clearly inspired very heavily by the Arkhamverse.

Admittedly I know next to nothing about the Coo.

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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Who're the court of owls? Are they like the illuminati of Gotham?

This is surprisingly very close to exactly what they are, ok?

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Joker_X_II posted...

I doubt this has any connection to the Arkham games.

Jason Todd/Red Hood doesn't have his "J" scar under his eye.

No Tim Drake/Red Robin (unless he's DLC for later; but he did play a part in the Arkham series)

Gordon never died at the end of Arkham Knight; unless he died after Batman "did" at the end of Arkham Knight, then again why did Batman mention it?....Therefore, it's a plothole if they are trying to connect this to the Arkham series.

Not to mention Batgirl was also crippled during most of the Arkham games and Mr Freeze's story was concluded in Knight after his wife woke up from her cryosleep and they left town.

Kinda disappointing this game doesn't seem to be canon with the Arkham games : /
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LeetCheet posted...

Not to mention Batgirl was also crippled during most of the Arkham games

Well, to be fair, she was crippled for years in the comics, until they decided that she magically wasn't any more because they decided that Batgirl can sell more merch than Oracle.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Well, to be fair, she was crippled for years in the comics, until they decided that she magically wasn't any more because they decided that Batgirl can sell more merch than Oracle.

I don't like Barb's traditional Batgirl costume because it's literally just Batman with boobs (sometimes with more yellow, but that's mostly due to taking the yellow out of Batman rather than adding it to Batgirl).

I prefer the other two Batgirls cause they look more distinct but that's literally the sum total I know about their character's because they've never received exposure outside of the comics (and likely never will as of the Oracle retcon).

On the subject of costumes, the footage I've seen of Gotham Knights seems to suggest a degree of costumes customization. I hope against hope that there's a lot of it, and it's not monetized to hell and back, but that's another thing I should damn well know won't happen.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I prefer the other two Batgirls cause they look more distinct but that's literally the sum total I know about their character's because they've never received exposure outside of the comics (and likely never will as of the Oracle retcon).

I liked Stephanie as a character, and I liked her costume design. Though enough people didn't and whined about it that they just retconned her back into being Spoiler.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f-stWqmgBRI/TmzgEbfYoAI/AAAAAAAAZ-s/BbD7qkXEO_M/s1600/1336296-red_robin___15__01_.jpg

A lot of weebs liked Cassandra Batgirl because she was their precious broken bird Asian ninja flower, but I never really clicked with her character. And her costume was kind of boring. And her concept as a whole didn't really vibe with the idea of what "Batgirl" is (Batgirl's like Robin, in that she's sort of supposed to be a lighter reflection of Batman, but Cassandra was an even more grimdark Batman).
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Looked cool until I saw numbers pop up after punching someone indicating damage dealt.

This series does not need to be that sort of RPG thanks

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Blightzkrieg posted...

At least in a lot of the Arkham games, they tend to tease one villain in the trailers and then veer elsewhere during the actual game. So I wouldn't be surprised if we see somebody else feature as the main antagonist, as they're clearly inspired very heavily by the Arkhamverse.

It's going to be Joker again isn't it?

Noop_Noop posted...

This series does not need to be that sort of RPG thanks

What series?

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wwinterj25 posted...

It's going to be Joker again isn't it?

It's Batman.

The twist will be that he's not dead, he just went crazy, faked his death, and is manipulating everything from the shadows.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's Batman.

The twist will be that he's not dead, he just went crazy, faked his death, and is manipulating everything from the shadows.

Wouldn't surprise me.

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Ain't too many things I dislike more than big flashy cinematic trailers when all I want is a gameplay trailer

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's Batman.

The twist will be that he's not dead, he just went crazy, faked his death, and is manipulating everything from the shadows.

wwinterj25 posted...

It's going to be Joker again isn't it?

Both of these things are true

You're a damned fool if you think otherwise

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

Ain't too many things I dislike more than big flashy cinematic trailers when all I want is a gameplay trailer

Good job they shown gameplay too then. Posted right under the first post.

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coop looks great

i really hope they'll do the court of owls justice, the movie version sucked for the same reason all the recent batman movies suck...Damien.

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

Ain't too many things I dislike more than big flashy cinematic trailers when all I want is a gameplay trailer

check out post#2 my dude

@ReggieTheReckless

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Damian is way too popular for how much of a little shitbag he is

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Looks pretty good, but I was a bit underwhelmed for some reason. It looks like something we've already seen before in a ton of other games? Quicktimey action game in a Batman skin.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Damian is way too popular for how much of a little shitbag he is

clearly someone high at DC has an unhealthy boner for him and should be promptly fired for ruining all the recent movies.
green lantern movie? nah. wonder woman movie? nah. shazam movie? nah. lets give damian 3 movies and make him the center of attention in the teen titans movies as well...still can't believe on top it all they also gave him best girl raven...

i'm happy we're having another reboot but the last decade showed me not to expect much which is a shame as i am a dc over marvel guy

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https://youtu.be/pVhL9MeUezE

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Ehh, I'd happily take Damien over the Court of Owls.

A lot of it kind of depends on how he's presented. Damien's whole point is to contrast Batman's previous sidekicks - most of the time, writers portrayed the Robins and Batgirl as being deliberately lighter and more optimistic than Batman, and imply the main reason he keeps them around is to literally anchor himself and prevent himself from becoming too dark. They also tend to be presented as the family Bruce has effectively cultivated to replace the one he lost. As much as its emphasized that Bruce lost everything when his parents died, it's also pointed out quite often that all of the Robins and Batgirl are basically his surrogate children (while Alfred is his surrogate dad).

But Damien is the opposite of that. He's Bruce's literal family, but was raised like a stranger and barely has any real affection for his father (all he really has is sort of professional respect combined with fulfilling what he sees as filial duty). He's darker than Bruce, and most of their interaction is Bruce trying to redeem Damien and keep him from falling father rather than the other way around.

It also creates interesting dynamics - Damien's closest to Tim in age, so the two of them each tend to dislike the other (mainly because they're their own opposites), and there's a fair amount of jealousy in their interactions. But Dick's old enough (and mature enough) to rise above that sort of thing, and he deliberately tries to play the role of a wiser, calmer, helpful older brother to Damien (and Damien actually reciprocates - for a while in the comics, he actually liked and respected Dick more than he did Bruce). His relationship with Batgirl (Stephanie) was like a bratty younger brother and older sister, where they pretty clearly liked each other, but also mostly only communicated in insults and oneupsmanship (and was actually pretty fun at the time).

He's really only terrible when he's just treated as a one-note little shit. But that's just completely missing the entire point of his character anyway. It's a similar problem with Jason Todd (who Damien has a lot in common with) - when done right, Red Hood Jason is actually pretty cool/interesting as a concept. But when he's done poorly, he's a huge ball of suck.
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The idea of Damian is cool. But so far the only time I've really liked him was in Super Sons, and that was partly because he bounced well off of Jon Kent

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How old is Damian? Has Bruce been Batman for all of Damian's life?

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

He's really only terrible when he's just treated as a one-note little s***. But that's just completely missing the entire point of his character anyway.

which is what the movies did, he could have been a great character but they oversold him and put way too much attention on him while nerfing every other character for his sake and changing good plots to focus solely on him, hence pissing most people off.

Metalsonic66 posted...

The idea of Damian is cool. But so far the only time I've really liked him was in Super Sons, and that was partly because he bounced well off of Jon Kent

agreed

SpeedDemon20 posted...

How old is Damian? Has Bruce been Batman for all of Damian's life?

10-11 in the new 52 movies, he'll probably be older in this game

Bruce quits and Grayson becomes the new Batman

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He doesn't appear to be in this game.

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SpeedDemon20 posted...

How old is Damian? Has Bruce been Batman for all of Damian's life?

Yes, because Bruce was already Batman when Talia seduced/drugged/raped/etc him and got preggers.

His origins are a bit fuzzy, though, mostly because Grant Morrison is kind of a shit writer.

http://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Batman:_Son_of_the_Demon#Notes



Wanded posted...

which is what the movies did, he could have been a great character but they oversold him and put way too much attention on him while nerfing every other character for his sake and changing good plots to focus solely on him, hence pissing most people off.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that the real problem is more with how the character is interpreted and presented than inherently a problem with the character itself.

You CAN tell good Damian stories. It's not a concept that's automatically doomed to be terrible because of flaws inherent to the concept itself.

Again, I see a pretty strong parallel with the Red Hood. There are some fantastic Red Hood/Jason Todd stories. But most of the time, he kind of winds up being a shit character because most writers don't really use him correctly.
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Comics are weird. I knew about the drugging to conceive Damian, but that was it LOL. Do they ever go more into that? You'd think Bruce would be more alarmed about being drugged and look into it. Is there an official "canon" for Bruce's life?

I know his parents die when he's 8. Stuff happens. He becomes Batman in his mid-20s. Not sure who his first major villain is (is there an order he encounters them? Is it all the same year?). He gets his Robins (Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake*). No clue how long they're each Robin for. Not sure how long Batgirl is Batgirl either, but Killing Joke happens and she becomes Oracle for a while (no clue how long that goes on for). Justice League somewhere in there. Batman had to have been drugged around the time Dick was his Robin, no?

*I actually don't know what happened to Tim Drake. I know Dick becomes Nightwing and Jason Todd went to sleep for a bit. Is the Batman Beyond stuff canon?

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Tim Drake really needs a new identity. Red Robin is stupid

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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Is there an official "canon" for Bruce's life?

DC retcons the DC universe every decade or so, so everything's constantly changing. I was under the impression Damian didn't even exist anymore? I could be wrong on that.

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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Comics are weird. I knew about the drugging to conceive Damian, but that was it LOL. Do they ever go more into that? You'd think Bruce would be more alarmed about being drugged and look into it. Is there an official "canon" for Bruce's life?

I know his parents die when he's 8. Stuff happens. He becomes Batman in his mid-20s. Not sure who his first major villain is (is there an order he encounters them? Is it all the same year?). He gets his Robins (Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake*). No clue how long they're each Robin for. Not sure how long Batgirl is Batgirl either, but Killing Joke happens and she becomes Oracle for a while (no clue how long that goes on for). Justice League somewhere in there. Batman had to have been drugged around the time Dick was his Robin, no?

*I actually don't know what happened to Tim Drake. I know Dick becomes Nightwing and Jason Todd went to sleep for a bit. Is the Batman Beyond stuff canon?

There are several continuities each with their own canon, batman beyond is canon in the DCAU universe (which imo is a must watch for everybody).
There was also a female robin called stephanie brown for a short while.

these would help
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Batman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_(character)
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Batman%27s_career_timeline
https://www.superherostuff.com/biographies/batman_biography.html

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I'll never understand comics.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

DC retcons the DC universe every decade or so, so everything's constantly changing. I was under the impression Damian didn't even exist anymore? I could be wrong on that.

He definitely still exists.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

He definitely still exists.

too much, even

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