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FursonaNonGrata
09/12/20 9:47:05 AM
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Video includes sheriff explaining hypothetical situations in which deadly force is acceptable, and ends with him telling militia members to have fun.

There are other replies in this twitter thread that have clips of police scanners reacting to militia members opening fire on people as well as screenshots of people admitting to threatening people at gunpoint for being antifa when they were actually food delivery people.

https://twitter.com/cascadianphotog/status/1304665240412413957?s=21

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Turbam
09/12/20 9:50:10 AM
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Isolated incident.
I'm sure he was having a rough day

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RemixRBG
09/12/20 9:53:08 AM
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The irregular forces of white supremacy. The police and these militia groups are all in cahoots

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Southernfatman
09/12/20 9:53:56 AM
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Cops are essentially the brown shirts of old. Blue shirts.

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FursonaNonGrata
09/12/20 9:57:08 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Cops are essentially the brown shirts of old. Blue shirts.

They literally evolved from slave patrols who captured and tortured/killed runaway slaves.

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CyricZ
09/12/20 9:58:29 AM
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When the police are held to task, fascists will inherently fall back once again on deputizing. If they can't enforce their will within the system, they will do so outside of it.

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ZT6
09/12/20 9:59:21 AM
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So he wants to make sure they aren't trigger happy while building rapport with them? Do you think antifa would be open to some legal advice too?

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Ruvan22
09/12/20 9:59:29 AM
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Well that's just terrible....

Have the county officials said anything about this?
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gunplagirl
09/12/20 10:01:00 AM
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CyricZ posted...
When the police are held to task, fascists will inherently fall back once again on deputizing. If they can't enforce their will within the system, they will do so outside of it.
It's also just further proof, reform is impossible. Gotta just start from scratch and ban all current and former officers from any involvement.

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FursonaNonGrata
09/12/20 10:01:05 AM
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CyricZ posted...
When the police are held to task, fascists will inherently fall back once again on deputizing. If they can't enforce their will within the system, they will do so outside of it.

Its already happening, this plus Kenosha is evidence. The ruling class is starting to outsource political violence against their opponents to these right wing nationalist militias now that the police are rightfully under more scrutiny. Theyre gladly doing the dirty work of the state, and the state can just say Hey, we didnt explicitly tell them to do it. Its startling but not at all surprising how quickly these militias went from were doing this to defend against a tyrannical government to we will gleefully do the police and militarys job and oppress our fellow citizens with deadly force.


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Ruvan22
09/12/20 10:02:11 AM
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ZT6 posted...
So he wants to make sure they aren't trigger happy while building rapport with them? Do you think antifa would be open to some legal advice too?

They might be, but for some reason this sheriff only chose to reach out to right wing militia... i wonder why that is...
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Intro2Logic
09/12/20 10:02:25 AM
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Cops and Klan, hand in hand

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Machete
09/12/20 10:03:10 AM
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Life in prison for him
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Gwynevere
09/12/20 10:03:19 AM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
Its already happening, this plus Kenosha is evidence. The ruling class is starting to outsource political violence against their opponents to these right wing nationalist militias now that the police are rightfully under more scrutiny. Theyre gladly doing the dirty work of the state, and the state can just say Hey, we didnt explicitly tell them to do it. Its startling but not at all surprising how quickly these militias went from were doing this to defend against a tyrannical government to we will gleefully do the police and militarys job and oppress our fellow citizens with deadly force.
I was actually going to bring up that point from another topic, then realize it was you who posted it in the first place

Outsourcing is the American model of business, and this is just the next frontier. Pretty grim

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ZT6
09/12/20 10:07:13 AM
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Ruvan22 posted...
They might be, but for some reason this sheriff only chose to reach out to right wing militia... i wonder why that is...

Because one group is clearly more receptive of being legally compliant? I support the protestors but I also support people wanting to protect their property if they can do it without needlessly killing someone.

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DarkChozoGhost
09/12/20 10:08:08 AM
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All police under him that support him are bad cops by any remotely reasonable standards

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Geisterdrache
09/12/20 10:09:04 AM
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ZT6 posted...
Because one group is clearly more receptive of being legally compliant? I support the protestors but I also support people wanting to protect their property if they can do it without needlessly killing someone.
Defending white supremacists and fascists

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FursonaNonGrata
09/12/20 10:09:18 AM
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ZT6 posted...
Because one group is clearly more receptive of being legally compliant? I support the protestors but I also support people wanting to protect their property if they can do it without needlessly killing someone.

If they were interested in doing it without killing people, why would they be asking for a checklist of hypothetical situations in which they could kill people with law enforcements blessing?

Its very clear that youre not posting in good faith, but I wanted to pose that question to see if youre able to justify it.


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creativerealms
09/12/20 10:12:02 AM
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Cops wish they were punisher. Damn those laws they have to follow (but often don't.)

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ZT6
09/12/20 10:14:50 AM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
If they were interested in doing it without killing people, why would they be asking for a checklist of hypothetical situations in which they could kill people with law enforcements blessing?

Its very clear that youre not posting in good faith, but I wanted to pose that question to see if youre able to justify it.

What part is clear that I'm not posting in good faith? What does that even mean? Please tell me how you came to that.

To answer your question; knowing when it's legally acceptable to kill someone helps you to decipher when it's not okay to use lethal force. If they find themselves in a situation maybe they'll stop and think, "does this seem justified?" and getting them to use some form of rational thought is better than them panicking and pulling the trigger. At the end of the day, there are legal situations where lethal force is justified and there is absolutely no problem with them knowing how high that bar is.

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Machete
09/12/20 10:19:11 AM
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ZT6 posted...


What part is clear that I'm not posting in good faith? What does that even mean? Please tell me how you came to that.

To answer your question; knowing when it's legally acceptable to kill someone helps you to decipher when it's not okay to use lethal force. If they find themselves in a situation maybe they'll stop and think, "does this seem justified?" and getting them to use some form of rational thought is better than them panicking and pulling the trigger. At the end of the day, there are legal situations where lethal force is justified and there is absolutely no problem with them knowing how high that bar is.


Which has nothing to do with this topic
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Ruvan22
09/12/20 11:50:00 AM
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ZT6 posted...
Because one group is clearly more receptive of being legally compliant? I support the protestors but I also support people wanting to protect their property if they can do it without needlessly killing someone.

A) Currently, far right militia is recognized as a BIGGER threat that Antifa
B) Do you have a source for "One group is clearly more receptive"? There's no evidence he even reached out to any other groups (BLM etc)
C) Are you saying there is NO possibility he is biased?
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BeyondWalls
09/12/20 11:53:35 AM
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Wait. Did the cops just tell these guys that they could stop cars and check IDs?

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ZT6
09/12/20 12:12:44 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
A) Currently, far right militia is recognized as a BIGGER threat that Antifa
B) Do you have a source for "One group is clearly more receptive"? There's no evidence he even reached out to any other groups (BLM etc)
C) Are you saying there is NO possibility he is biased?

A. I don't support far right militia.
B. It is inherently obvious that antifa would not be receptive to listening to police about protesting legally.
C. Never said that? Clearly the group purporting to be in favor of law and order are going to align more with the Sheriff.

Again, he's building rapport to ensure they don't think they have carte blanche to kill people. Watch any police interrogation video and see how rapport is built. They say some messed up things to get the suspects to feel more comfortable and receptive to them.

It is clear though that not posting in 'good faith' means just interpreting something differently. I'll see myself out so you can enjoy your echo chamber.

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FursonaNonGrata
09/12/20 12:13:36 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Wait. Did the cops just tell these guys that they could stop cars and check IDs?

Are you surprised to see law enforcement officers deputizing right wing militias? Youre the guy that posts police shooting videos to justify their actions right?

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Alucard188
09/12/20 12:21:35 PM
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Imagine living in a country that allows an unregulated, militarised force to occupy and patrol.

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Zeeak4444
09/12/20 12:23:18 PM
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ZT6 posted...
Because one group is clearly more receptive of being legally compliant? I support the protestors but I also support people wanting to protect their property if they can do it without needlessly killing someone.

no you dont.

cleary you arent paying attention to much going on.

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Blightzkrieg
09/12/20 12:26:28 PM
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ZT6 posted...
Because one group is clearly more receptive of being legally compliant?
lmao what kind of dollar store naziism is this

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Villain
09/12/20 12:27:18 PM
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A number of incidents are instigated by right wingers. I've added this example to a notepad where I'm tracking examples:

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

Where's the 7% possibly coming from?

Twitter suspends account of white nationalist group posing as antifa
https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-suspends-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-as-antifa/

Far-right smear campaign against Antifa exposed
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

White supremacy groups try to infiltrate recent protests and influence the narrative
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/press-play-with-madeleine-brand/la-attorney-resists-the-call-to-reopen-courts-amid-covid-19/white-supremacy-protests

3 with ties to white extremism accused of plotting mayhem at protests
https://www.ajc.com/news/with-ties-white-extremism-accused-plotting-mayhem-protests/GdtpTjwVaapgVZihVtNWeI/

Antifa not the cause of violence at protests
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

Far-right extremistsshowing up at BLM protests behind the violence
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article243553662.html

White agitators bringing arson to a George Floyd protest
https://www.frontpagelive.com/2020/06/04/white-arsonists-george-floyd-protests/

Threat of "lethal violence" from "lone offenders" motivated by race.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/intelligence-bulletin-warning-protest-related-violence-makes-mention/story?id=71166595

Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/white-supremacists-posing-as-blm-protesters-instigated-richmond-riots-police/

Proud Boys brutally beat Black Lives Matter protesters after Trump Parade
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/watch-proud-boys-brutally-beat-black-lives-matter-protesters-after-trump-parade/

Oregon sheriff tells militia members to "have fun killing antifa"
https://twitter.com/cascadianphotog/status/1304665240412413957?s=21

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ColdOne666
09/12/20 12:30:15 PM
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Maybe Antifa should stop looting, vandalizing and rioting. They should also stop murdering since they killed someone.

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The_Creep_2020
09/12/20 12:30:56 PM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Maybe Antifa should stop looting, vandalizing and rioting. They should also stop murdering since they killed someone.
So you support summary executions, huh?

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Villain
09/12/20 12:30:57 PM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Maybe Antifa should stop looting, vandalizing and rioting. They should also stop murdering since they killed someone.

We've got 1, yep. see next post.

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ZT6
09/12/20 12:32:00 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
lmao what kind of dollar store naziism is this

I'm actually Jewish. But thank you for calling me a Nazi I appreciate it.

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Villain
09/12/20 12:32:39 PM
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Between 2007-2017 extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists.
Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists.

From:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/

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Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2017:

Heather Heyer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-heather-heyer-profile/index.html

Taliesin Namkai Meche
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_stabbing_victim_attended_r_1.html#incart_big-photo

Ricky Best
http://taskandpurpose.com/ricky-best-one-2-men-killed-portland-stabbing-army-veteran/

Richard Collins III
https://www.thenation.com/article/lynching-university-maryland-campus/

Timothy Caughman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Timothy_Caughman

Srinivas Kuchibhotla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting

Casey Marquez & Francisco Fernandez
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-school-shooter-had-secret-life-on-pro-trump-white-supremacy-sites

Charles Davis
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/alt-righter-seattle4truth-charged-killing-father-over-conspiracy-theories

Officer Zackari Parrish
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-military-record/index.html

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker & Scott Fricker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.32ba34f2ae29

The 6 Victims of the Quebec City mosque shooting:
Ibrahima Barry, Mamadou Tanou Barry, Khaled Belkacemi, Aboubaker Thabti, Abdelkrim Hassane, and Azzedine Soufiane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting

Murder Victims of the Far Left or Antifa in 2017:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2018:

Blaze Bernstein
https://www.haaretz.com/blaze-bernstein-murder-suspect-displayed-hate-on-social-media-1.5751372

The 17 Victims of the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting:
Alyssa Alhadeff, Scott Beigel, Martin Duque, Nicholas Dworet, Aaron Feis, Jaime Guttenberg,
Chris Hixon, Luke Hoyer, Cara Loughran, Gina Montalto, Joaquin Oliver, Alaina Petty,
Meadow Pollack, Helena Ramsay, Alex Schachter, Carmen Schentrup, and Peter Wang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

The 10 Victims of the Santa Fe High School Shooting:
Jared Conard Black, Shana Fisher, Christian Riley Garcia, Aaron Kyle McLeod, Glenda Anne Perkins,
Angelique Ramirez, Sabika Sheikh, Christopher Stone, Cynthia Tisdale, and Kimberly Vaughan
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612286146/shooting-reported-at-high-school-near-houston

The 10 Victims of the Toronto Van Attack
Beutis Renuka Amarasinghe, Andrea Bradden, Geraldine Brady, So He Chung, Anne Marie D'Amico
Mary Elizabeth Forsyth, Chul Min "Eddie" Kang, Ji Hun Kim, Munir Najjar, and Dorothy Sewell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_van_attack

Sherell L. Lewis Jr
https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/motorist-brags-about-running-over-some-n-r-on-snapchat/

Jeremy Himmelman & Andrew Oneschuck
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/suspect-in-tampa-neo-nazi-killings-returns-from-state-mental-hospital-20190326/

The 5 Victims of the Annapolis Capital Shooting:
Gerald Fischman, Rob Hiaasen, John McNamara, Rebecca Smith, and Wendi Winters
https://bluestatedaily.com/accused-annapolis-shooter-jarrod-ramos-was-inspired-by-the-alt-right-report/

Maurice Stallard & Vickie Lee Jones
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alleged-kroger-gunman-uttered-whites-don-t-kill-whites-witness-n924641

The 11 victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting:
Joyce Fienberg, Rich Gottfried, Rose Mallinger, Jerry Rabinowitz, Cecil Rosenthal, David Rosenthal,
Bernice Simon, Sylvan Simon, Daniel Stein, Melvin Wax, & Irving Younger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

Dr. Nancy Van Vessem & Maura Binkley
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/us/yoga-studio-shooting-florida.html

Murder Victims of the Far Left or Antifa in 2018:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2019:

James Wolfe
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-seattle-man-thought-brother-lizard-killed-him-20190109-story.html

The 5 Victimes of the Sebring Fl Bank Shooting:
Cynthia Watson, Marisol Lopez, Jessica Montague, Debra Cook and Ana Pinon-Williams
https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/zephen-xaver/

The 51 Victims of the Christchurch mosque shootings:
The ages of those killed ranged from 2 to 71
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

Sydney Aiello
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-survivor-sydney-aiello-takes-her-own-life/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=65145580

Walter Lbcke
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/far-right-suspect-confesses-to-killing-german-politician-walter-lubcke

Stephen Romero, Keyla Salazar, and Trevor Deon Irby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilroy_Garlic_Festival_shooting

The 22 victims of the El Paso Shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting

Murder Victims of the Far Left or Antifa in 2019:

Murder victims of the Alt Right/White Supremacy in 2020:

The 10 victims of a far right extremist attack in Germany:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/three-southwest-kansas-men-sentenced-prison-plotting-bomb-somali-immigrants-garden-city

Cesar Altieri Sayoc Jr AKA the MAGA Bomber:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attempts

The Iowa woman who ran down a teen with a car because she was Mexican & also attempted to kill an African American boy
https://www.thedailybeast.com/iowa-woman-nicole-marie-poole-franklin-hit-teen-with-car-because-she-was-mexican-police-say
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/24/us/iowa-woman-ran-over-girl-hit-black-child-trnd/index.html

Far Right planned mosque attacks:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/483358-far-right-group-in-germany-planned-mosque-attacks-report

Neo-Nazi plot to blow up a hospital:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/neo-nazi-plot-to-blow-up-hospital-is-foiled-by-fbi-b7hgcf936

The Trucker who attempted to run over protestors:
https://www.insider.com/bogdan-vechirko-minneapolis-trucker-has-criminal-past-gave-to-trump-2020-6

The KKK leader who drove a truck into a BLM crowd:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/virginia-man-who-plowed-his-truck-into-black-lives-matter-crowd-is-the-head-of-the-states-ku-klux-klan/

Black woman set on fire by white men:
https://www.revolt.tv/2020/6/25/21303243/black-woman-set-on-fire-madison

Attempted lynching of Vauhxx Booker:
https://bloomingtonian.com/2020/07/05/bloomington-man-threatened-with-noose-during-assault-at-lake-monroe/

The Far Left or Antifa:

The Congressional Baseball Shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

2019 Tacoma attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tacoma_attack

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Blightzkrieg
09/12/20 12:35:18 PM
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ZT6 posted...
I'm actually Jewish. But thank you for calling me a Nazi I appreciate it.
Pretty fucking disgusting that you'd use my post to make an anti semitic joke dude. I know GameFAQs lets you get away with it, but still.

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ZT6
09/12/20 12:37:08 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Pretty fucking disgusting that you'd use my post to make an anti semitic joke dude. I know GameFAQs lets you get away with it, but still.

Your mental gymnastics are astounding. I'm glad me being Jewish and offended by being called a nazi is a joke to you.

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Blightzkrieg
09/12/20 12:39:26 PM
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ZT6 posted...
Your mental gymnastics are astounding. I'm glad me being Jewish and offended by being called a nazi is a joke to you.


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Lysandear
09/12/20 12:40:01 PM
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We can't beat them. They've won by now
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The_Creep_2020
09/12/20 12:54:08 PM
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ZT6 posted...
Your mental gymnastics are astounding. I'm glad me being Jewish and offended by being called a nazi is a joke to you.

Dude, considering Ben Shapiro and Jared K both have the Vichy stench about them? I dont think you can play that card. I say that as someone whose Jewish ancestry is important, and is extremely proud that their grandfather is a survivor.

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Paragon21XX
09/12/20 1:00:26 PM
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FursonaNonGrata posted...
They literally evolved from slave patrols who captured and tortured/killed runaway slaves.
This lame, disproven meme?

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Lysandear
09/12/20 1:01:43 PM
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yea cops bounty hunting black families is such a meme

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Poop2
09/12/20 1:02:05 PM
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but cops are totally unbiased

imagine defending this racist bullshit
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Shablagoo
09/12/20 1:19:28 PM
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@Villain thanks for sharing that list of incidents. I saved it.

Paragon21XX posted...
This lame, disproven meme?

Its not a disproven meme, its just part of history. Sorry, but the facts dont care about your feelings.

In the South, however, the economics that drove the creation of police forces were centered not on the protection of shipping interests but on the preservation of the slavery system. Some of the primary policing institutions there were the slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts, Potter says; the first formal slave patrol had been created in the Carolina colonies in 1704. During the Civil War, the military became the primary form of law enforcement in the South, but during Reconstruction, many local sheriffs functioned in a way analogous to the earlier slave patrols, enforcing segregation and the disenfranchisement of freed slaves.

https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/

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FursonaNonGrata
09/12/20 1:39:38 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Imagine living in a country that allows an unregulated, militarised force to occupy and patrol.

Imagine this and then imagine going online to defend people who do it.

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ZT6
09/12/20 1:41:19 PM
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The_Creep_2020 posted...
Dude, considering Ben Shapiro and Jared K both have the Vichy stench about them? I dont think you can play that card. I say that as someone whose Jewish ancestry is important, and is extremely proud that their grandfather is a survivor.

Being offended is playing a card? I faced anti-semitism my entire life. Im not playing a card. Also, Im not either of those people and I consider myself very liberal so I dont understand what your point is?

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