Current Events > Had democracts went w/ Bernie or Yang instead of Biden...

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...this would be an easy victory.

Like them or hate them, Bernie & Yang are not liberal puppets. Yang despite running as a dem is clearly down the middle, he hates both parties equally. Meanwhile, Bernie is the the left what Trump is to the right...his own thing.

In both cases Bernie & Yang steal conservative voters away from Trump. Biden doesn't steal anything away from Trump. He's just a reskin of Hilary. The liberals were so arrogant they figured that "Trump is so terrible, that some conservative voters will vote for Biden just to be rid of him"

...but that isn't what happened. They didn't vote Biden. They just didn't vote period...but the same can be said for the liberal portion of the Bernie & Yang supporters. So it just evens out, and we are back to 2016 again.

Fact.

People are too racist to vote for Yang and Bernie wouldn't sway the undecideds

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SaltyWet posted...

People are too racist to vote for Yang and Bernie wouldn't sway the undecideds

Unfortunately this

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Sure

I think Bernie would've had a serious case to win, but at the end of the day, money and fearmongering won regardless. I think the false info campaign and the excess of money under Trump and the RNC had already long sealed the fate for this election.

History will probably remember us for our idiocy in re-electing a president who got impeached, was involved in numerous conflicts of interest, broke all sorts of laws involving taxes and assets during rule, led to many deaths and the spread of a virus due to negligence. But there might be a footnote that talks about how incompetent the DNC was

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I woulda voted for them or Tulsi in a heartbeat

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inb4stockholmcrats

Nobody gives a fuck about Yang.

This is such a bad sentiment

Biden crushed Sanders and Yang in the primaries

The Establishment doesn't like them and conservatives hate them

Trump would have destroyed them . You're living in an echo chamber if you think otherwise

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DarthVader95 posted...

Nobody gives a fuck about Yang.

:(

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ToadallyAwesome posted...

Unfortunately this

Half of Yang's supporters are republicans who are currently voting for Trump. The other half were dems, and only 25% are voting for Biden. The other are refusing to vote.

I think Yang did a lot of good imply by popularizing and normalizing the idea of a UBI. There are still a lot of people in the US who find it inconceivable that just giving people money is a solution to anything, who are probably hearing arguments like Yang's for the first time. It helps to eliminate the stigma of "not working" which is going to be super important going forward. Hopefully the left can push some actually workable solutions in the meantime.

You can say what you will about Yangs policies and his suitability for office, but he has a character that other politicians and figureheads in general should learn from. Not only is he straight up just a nice guy, but he genuinely cares about making America a better place, is one of the most intellectually humble celebrities (if you can call him that) Ive ever seen, and is willing and even grateful to go on different shows and podcasts from all over the political spectrum, from Ben Shapiros Sunday Special to The Root. Overall, the best character and mindset in any candidate.


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MMA-SAN posted...

Half of Yang's supporters are republicans who are currently voting for Trump. The other half were dems, and only 25% are voting for Biden. The other are refusing to vote.

I agree with a lot of Yang's ideas, but I don't think he could've won and losing his supporters to Trump hasn't had any actual impact in the key swing states.

InhumaneRaider posted...

I think Yang did a lot of good simply by popularizing and normalizing the idea of a UBI. There are still a lot of people in the US who find it inconceivable that just giving people money is a solution to anything, who are probably hearing arguments like Yang's for the first time. It helps to eliminate the stigma of "not working" which is going to be super important going forward. Hopefully the left can push some actually workable solutions in the meantime.

You can say what you will about Yangs policies and his suitability for office, but he has a character that other politicians and figureheads in general should learn from. Not only is he straight up just a nice guy, but he genuinely cares about making America a better place, is one of the most intellectually humble celebrities (if you can call him that) Ive ever seen, and is willing and even grateful to go on different shows and podcasts from all over the political spectrum, from Ben Shapiros Sunday Special to The Root. Overall, the best character and mindset in any candidate.

I agree with most of this as well

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indica posted...

I agree with a lot of Yang's ideas, but I don't think he could've won and losing his supporters to Trump hasn't had any actual impact in the key swing states.

Yang was basically bribing Trumps voters away from him. If you are living in middle america working minimum wage struggling to feed your children, then it doesn't matter what type of "america fuck yeah" mentality you possess...you are voting for the guy who is going to give you 1k a month. The liberal elites in power always care about their "first world problems" the fact that there are poor people in the country (especially poor white people) is a concept they just can't seem to grasp!

Biden crushed Sanders and Yang in the primaries

This is because districts where Sanders would have received the most votes were manipulated by voter obstruction and all the neoliberals dropped out to endorse Biden to give him the edge with their supporters. Oh, and totally progressive and not a closet neoliberal Elizabeth Warren decided to drop out after Super Tuesday II once she already split the Bernie vote.

I voted for Trump and my voting order was Yang > Trump

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there was a Yang?
did anyone know?

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I really don't see it. It looks to me like Biden wasn't far enough to the center and it cost him votes bigtime with Hispanics. All that stuff about Bernie and AOC being democratic socialists scared them, especially the Cubans in Florida. And that's just Trump wishing he was running against them ("He's confused about who he's running against, I'm Joe Biden and I beat all those people."). Imagine if he actually WAS running against Bernie. Woulda been a 400+ point landslide.

If anything, a Trump win proves that Democrats need to move further right, not left. Which is only gonna push Republicans even further into Alex Jones territory. How many Q supporters got elected to Congress tonight? Scary to think where we'll be in 4 years when Trump is clamoring for a third term. He might get it.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Biden crushed Sanders and Yang in the primaries

Party-biased primaries =/= general.

No shit a diehard democrat like Biden would win the diehard democrat contest versus outsiders like Bernie or Yang. But when it comes to the general election, do you honestly think those democrats would vote for Trump over Bernie or Yang? Don't be silly.

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nexigrams posted...

I really don't see it. It looks to me like Biden wasn't far enough to the center and it cost him votes bigtime with Hispanics. All that stuff about Bernie and AOC being democratic socialists scared them, especially the Cubans in Florida. And that's just Trump wishing he was running against them ("He's confused about who he's running against, I'm Joe Biden and I beat all those people."). Imagine if he actually WAS running against Bernie. Woulda been a 400+ point landslide.

If anything, a Trump win proves that Democrats need to move further right, not left. Which is only gonna push Republicans even further into Alex Jones territory. How many Q supporters got elected to Congress tonight? Scary to think where we'll be in 4 years when Trump is clamoring for a third term. He might get it.

LOL!!! If the democrats moved any more to the right, they'd be republicans.

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nexigrams posted...

If anything, a Trump win proves that Democrats need to move further right, not left.

Yang is squarely in the middle.

Delusional.
Bernie, whos viewed as a socialist in conservative circles isnt stealing conservative votes.

I'm not informed enough on yang to comment

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NatsuSama posted...

Delusional.
Bernie, whos viewed as a socialist in conservative circles isnt stealing conservative votes.

He would have stolen the votes from the people who didn't vote.

Yang would have stolen republican votes.

MMA-SAN posted...

He would have stolen the votes from the people who didn't vote.

Yang would have stolen republican votes.

You mean like the non voters from the primaries? As I said before, delusional.

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InhumaneRaider posted...

I think Yang did a lot of good simply by popularizing and normalizing the idea of a UBI. There are still a lot of people in the US who find it inconceivable that just giving people money is a solution to anything, who are probably hearing arguments like Yang's for the first time. It helps to eliminate the stigma of "not working" which is going to be super important going forward. Hopefully the left can push some actually workable solutions in the meantime.

You can say what you will about Yangs policies and his suitability for office, but he has a character that other politicians and figureheads in general should learn from. Not only is he straight up just a nice guy, but he genuinely cares about making America a better place, is one of the most intellectually humble celebrities (if you can call him that) Ive ever seen, and is willing and even grateful to go on different shows and podcasts from all over the political spectrum, from Ben Shapiros Sunday Special to The Root. Overall, the best character and mindset in any candidate.

Yeah these are all extremely true, probably the guy I want to support the most. I mean do I agree with him on everything? No, but these elections were rarely ever about viewpoints tbh anyways, and I like him more than I don't.

People do criticize him for zoning so hard into the UBI thing, but we've just seen Trump win a presidency off of some dumb wall thing that never came to pass. There needs to be an easily marketable and extremely simple idea that people who aren't well versed in politics can latch onto. Presidential race is more about marketing than anything

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NatsuSama posted...

You mean like the non voters from the primaries? As I said before, delusional.

The dems blacked out Yang, and did everything to keep him out of the primaries. The fact that he overcame his media blackout just goes to show what a much better candidate he was.

If Yang was elected instead of Biden he would have stolen at the very least 25% of Trumps vote. If dems truly want Trump out of office then they would also vote for him. I unfortunately think the liberal elites rather have Trump as president than Yang however. The one thing both sides have in common is that they hate the poor.

SaltyWet posted...

People are too racist to vote for Yang and Bernie wouldn't sway the undecideds

Yea, explains why Obama won... twice.

Yeah people aren't actually that racist, just that Trump ran a particularly compelling race-based race. Obama v the 2 opponents had very little to no racial marketing involved

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1337toothbrush posted...

Party-biased primaries =/= general.

Yeah the general relies on you getting support from outside your party Sanders and Yang Yang can't do that they dont get even get support from their own party

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Bernie I understand but the inclusion of Yang here was weird. The dude dropped out after Iowa, his support base is tiny.

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DarthVader95 posted...

Nobody gives a fuck about Yang.

I love Yang

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah the general relies on you getting support from outside your party Sanders and Yang Yang can't do that they dont get even get support from their own party

Which is why progressive policies poll very well on the national level. Think before you post.

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bknight posted...

Yea, explains why Obama won... twice.

Do I need to tell you Obama and Yang are not the same race?

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MMA-SAN posted...

...but that isn't what happened. They didn't vote Biden.

...yeah they did. Biden has more votes than literally any other presidential candidate ever already and the votes aren't finished counting yet.

Proto_Spark posted...

...yeah they did. Biden has more votes than literally any other presidential candidate ever already and the votes aren't finished counting yet.

That's just a function of higher turnout in general, which is a function of more convenient mail-in voting. See, convenience = higher turnout. Which is why primaries have such shitty turnout, because they're inconvenient.

Democrats love stupid soundbytes like "most votes of any presidential candidate" or "most progressive platform for a presidential candidate" that are technically true but insignificant in context. Who gives a fuck that his platform is technically more progressive than a peanut farmer from the 70s?

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I would rather vote for Trump than Yang simply based on his extreme views on healthcare and how doctors should be paid less. He believes doctors jobs should be taken over by NP's and essentially AI. Theres a significant direct threat to my personal income.

Yangs huge, he will influence major policy one day

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Unfortunately I don't really agree. Trump would probably beat both of them head to head.

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no one gives a fuck about bernie or yang get off the internet i'm begging you

No, most Americans are fucking stupid. The only way for anyone barely left of center to win is just act like an adult compared to a manchild. They're all just selfish assholes that want to be able to not hear about politics and conflict.

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DarthVader95 posted...

Nobody gives a fuck about Yang.

And what are your sources on that?
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Cornhuskers posted...

And what are your sources on that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Iowa_Democratic_presidential_caucuses#Results

I would have voted for yang

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The ship kind of sailed on Bernie being the nominee, but he had fantastic Latino outreach(which won him Nevada and California and almost Texas. He even won Cuban Democrats in Florida) and did very well with younger black voters as well. It's hard to say how much of that would carry into the general, and whether that would be enough vs. almost certainly doing worse with white voters(especially older ones), and then there's the possibility that the Democratic Party might have actively sabotaged him(as Blairites in the Labour Party did to Corbyn in the UK, for what it mattered).

But, given Biden has done worse with BIPOC than any recent Democratic nominee, I don't think you're going out on a limb by suggesting Bernie likely would have done better. Then there's the fact his campaign would have centered his support of popular policies like Medicare for All, a $15 minimum wage, etc. etc.
It would be a completely different race, is my point, and this is all the time I'm going to spend on playing "what if?" Unfortunately, we have to grapple with what is.

Yang never stood a realistic shot at the nom, and Bernie would have definitely lost this election.

You guys know they call moderates the middle because that's where most people are right?

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Yang would have been destroyed.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Yang never stood a realistic shot at the nom, and Bernie would have definitely lost this election.

You guys know they call moderates the middle because that's where most people are right?

I don't think that's true. Also, people support a lot of "extreme" policies if you state them without screaming "socialism! communism!" at the same time. For some reason, messaging matters more than the message.

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yang would be interesting since his message got a lot more weight with covid but i don't know how the country would have adapated to him.

Bernie would have outperformed Biden. Trump campaigned as though Biden was bernie anyway and Bernie would have had a message beyond, "hey i've got a terrible track record with minorities and police but i'm not trump!"

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