Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 338: Put your hands up for Detroit

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It's not enough because Arizona went from called to contested. If Arizona stays blue then it's enough

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

The Pittsburgh area (Allegheny County) is taking an "administrative day" to ensure all votes are legit and won't start actually counting again until tomorrow.

This is actually a mess. They need to do better for the next election. All this is going to do is give Trump more reason to prolong this thing.

Maybe state legislatures should allow counties to begin counting mail-in votes before Election Day.

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I really don't trust Arizona at the moment. Next vote drop will be very telling, I think. I've seen people saying the rest won't be quite as bad for Biden, but based on the partisan split I don' think that is necessarily true.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

The Pittsburgh area (Allegheny County) is taking an "administrative day" to ensure all votes are legit and won't start actually counting again until tomorrow.

This is actually a mess. They need to do better for the next election. All this is going to do is give Trump more reason to prolong this thing.

Where did you see that? I haven't heard anything locally about it yet.

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Who cares about Georgia and Arizona. He has won PA and it is already over. I don't know why people even care that much about them. I mean, beyond just fnding it interesting.

Arizona and Georgia aren't needed to win.

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Every EC vote above the 270 barrier makes it harder for Trump to justify him losing through fraud and taking the presidency through the SC

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Georgia is interesting for the senate implications

last I checked Perdue was at 50.0 - not sure if that triggers the run-off or if he has to be at 49.9

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red sox still thinks trump has a chance in pennsylvania, i believe.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Where did you see that? I haven't heard anything locally about it yet.

https://twitter.com/RyanDeto/status/1324378334395015168

People are framing it misleadingly to further the "PENNSYLVANIA IS RIGGING THINGS" narrative .

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox still thinks trump has a chance in pennsylvania, i believe.

0.0% chance. Biden has won PA by hundreds of thousands of votes.

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Corrik7 posted...

Who cares about Georgia and Arizona. He has won PA and it is already over. I don't know why people even care that much about them. I mean, beyond just fnding it interesting.

Arizona and Georgia aren't needed to win.

Georgia matters to force senatorial runoffs, which at this point can completely change the country's dynamics. It's not relevant for the presidency beyond 'oh shit oh fuck purple georgia' though, obviously.

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colliding posted...

Georgia is interesting for the senate implications

last I checked Perdue was at 50.0 - not sure if that triggers the run-off or if he has to be at 49.9

It's already guaranteed a run-off.

What concerns Dems is that with same turn out, they will lose both seats. Jorgensen siphoned votes. Perdue won by more than Trump.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Where did you see that? I haven't heard anything locally about it yet.

I can't find an article confirming it either, but this is a Tweet I'm referring to (which means it could still be fake but it seems like a weird thing to make up since it's not conspiracy BS).

https://twitter.com/juliacarriew/status/1324384704712175617

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I'm also not 100% convinced Biden has PA either. It is hard to tell exactly where all the ballots are from and how many exactly are left. I do trust the stats guys that do this for a living, but just looking at the numbers myself I'm not 100% convinced. CNN last night for example was saying they think there is only 500k left (at the time) not 700k.

Hopefully it is just paranoia on my part and more and more votes continue to come in.

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Jorgensen ironically siphoned some of the "I am a single issue voter and pro-life is all I care about" crowd.

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Corrik7 posted...

It's already guaranteed a run-off.

What concerns Dems is that with same turn out, they will lose both seats. Jorgensen siphoned votes. Perdue won by more than Trump.

Yeah, it's a longshot they win one, even moreso that they win both. But at the same time, it's going to give us a powerful barometer for how much 'Trump/Not-Trump' voting affected the election. If republican turnout goes down without Big Strong Orange Daddy on the ticket, that's a huge dea and can be decisive. Gonna be an absolute battle to maintain the record turnout I think.

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Corrik7 posted...

Jorgensen ironically siphoned some of the "I am a single issue voter and pro-life is all I care about" crowd.

...how?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

I'm also not 100% convinced Biden has PA either. It is hard to tell exactly where all the ballots are from and how many exactly are left. I do trust the stats guys that do this for a living, but just looking at the numbers myself I'm not 100% convinced. CNN last night for example was saying they think there is only 500k left (at the time) not 700k.

Hopefully it is just paranoia on my part and more and more votes continue to come in.

Paranoia. You don't understand Philadelphia itself will flip the totals when counted.

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Jakyl25 posted...

...how?

Saw it some around here with all I care about is pro-life and both candidates are terrible so I am voting for Jorgensen.

If you add up Jorgensen + Trump, you seem to get the senator totals in Georgia and Michigan very closely.

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But...libertarians are pro choice, arent they?
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Like I hate both candidates but I am very anti-abortion is basically Kanyes wheelhouse
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Jakyl25 posted...

But...libertarians are pro choice, arent they?

That is true. But counterpoint: some people are morons.

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I have no idea.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox still thinks trump has a chance in pennsylvania, i believe.

A small chance. Maybe 20-25%. There's supposed to be less than 100k mail votes left to count in Philadelphia and I haven't heard that they are receiving more after election day in any significant amount. If such votes do come in, PA is already segregating them and SCOTUS could toss them out. Trump's real problem is that he is losing the mail votes badly in red counties, and there are a lot of those left.

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It's possible my view was jaded based on anecdotal things from people who were just misinformed.

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Yeah I looked it up

Jo Jorgensen's campaign website says of abortion, "Keep the government out of it, no subsidies, no regulations."

Those pro lifers are kinda ignorant if they actually voted for her
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox still thinks trump has a chance in pennsylvania, i believe.

Not sure why people listen to red sox. I don't think he ever argues in good faith.

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This comes across as a desperate last stand from the Trump crowd, one which is only going to succeed in making their loss slightly less embarrassing. It may look close but Biden looks like he has been in command pretty much the entire time.

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https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1324149178071572480?s=21

Brain worms are a hell of a thing
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Jakyl25 posted...

Those pro lifers are kinda ignorant

you could have just stopped here tbqh

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When did Nevada say they would release more totals?

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Dancedreamer posted...

Not sure why people listen to red sox. I don't think he ever argues in good faith.

He seems to be getting more and more desperate with his reaches. Its certainly still possible for Trump to win it all, but I get the impression that hes trying to convince himself more than anybody else.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Those pro lifers are kinda ignorant if they actually voted for her

Most of America is pretty ignorant, though. But I don't think many anti-choicers vote anything but Republican. And I imagine most of them are SUPER HAPPY with Trump at the moment thanks to the Handmaiden getting on the court.

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As a foreigner, it's wild to me that people think the Dems would rig an election when 75% of the planet would say Trump is much more likely to do that

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pezzicle posted...

As a foreigner, it's wild to me that people think the Dems would rig an election when 75% of the planet would say Trump is much more likely to do that

It's a senseless conspiracy theory started by Trump himself because he's a child who can't handle the thought of losing.

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RaidenGarai posted...

He seems to be getting more and more desperate with his reaches. Its certainly still possible for Trump to win it all, but I get the impression that hes trying to convince himself more than anybody else.

Oh Biden is the huge favorite. I'm trying to convince myself it's not a lock. Will be quite open about that. That said, all of my analysis is in good faith.

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It's also wild how similar they both are. I know political compass isn't perfect but my guy

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

They are so similar. Does any other country in the "western world" have this awful of a choice year in and year out?

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RaidenGarai posted...

It's a senseless conspiracy theory started by Trump himself because he's a child who can't handle the thought of losing.

It's not him not being able to handle the thought of losing (while that's certainly a part of it) so much as he is premeditating ways to squeak out an election by bullshit means.

He planned this from the start.

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pezzicle posted...

It's also wild how similar they both are. I know political compass isn't perfect but my guy

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

They are so similar. Does any other country in the "western world" have this awful of a choice year in and year out?

Short answer: yes

long answer: OH GOD YES SAVE US FROM THIS EVIL

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pezzicle posted...

It's also wild how similar they both are. I know political compass isn't perfect but my guy

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

They are so similar. Does any other country in the "western world" have this awful of a choice year in and year out?

This is also straight up nonsense btw. Trump and Biden have significant differences on almost every issue.

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pezzicle posted...

It's also wild how similar they both are. I know political compass isn't perfect but my guy

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

They are so similar. Does any other country in the "western world" have this awful of a choice year in and year out?

Until recently, Ireland. The two dominant parties, Fine Gael and Fianna Fail, are both centre-right conservatives. In theory FG is a bit more socially liberal and FF is a bit more of an economically broad church, but they are essentially the same and the divide is mainly down to both being descendants of different sides of the civil war. However it does seem that the party dynamics might be shifting thanks to Sinn Fein, who are left wing.

They are still both to the left of the Democrats!

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Now do Canada
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from what i remember in this topic political compass isn't just not perfect but it's massively flawed.
but that said yes, the two aren't that different in many places. hell, trump is more anti-war.


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Wanglicious posted...

from what i remember in this topic political compass isn't just not perfect but it's massively flawed.
but that said yes, the two aren't that different in many places. hell, trump is more anti-war.

Oh for sure it's not great. But in Canada we have three main parties and then 2 minor parties and they are all fairly different from each other

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Let's take the test for Biden and see where he lines up. If anyone disagrees with my answers, feel free to explain:

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.
I said: Disagree. He's pretty pro-business, but not so much that it'd be "strongly disagree" imo

Id always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.
I said: Agree. He'll support America even if Trump wins.

No one chooses their country of birth, so its foolish to be proud of it.
I said: Strongly Disagree. He's very much proud to be an American.

Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.
I said: Strongly Disagree. (This is an area he's not in line with Trump on). Maybe years ago you could say Agree, but he's definitely come around on this one pretty strongly.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I said: Agree. (Lincoln Project)

Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.
I said: Disagree. This one is a tough one, because I'm not even sure how I would answer.

There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.
I said: Agree. He's old and I could see him thinking this I guess?

This is just the first page. Anyone disagree on these answers?


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Biden didn't hit the numbers I thought he would in that last Fulton drop. I'm not adjusting some things and think he loses closer to 3.5k.

You heard it (probably incorrectly) here first.

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Democrats supposedly are going to file a lawsuit because 155,000 ballots came in late in Georgia and they want to count them despite not being allowed by their state laws.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Now do Canada

https://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2019

While I agree with the order, I feel everything is shifted a bit too much to the right.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

While youve all been distracted, this has been going on: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/bezos-sells-more-than-3-billion-worth-of-amazon-shares-.html

Still think this isnt all for show?

Not sure what you're questioning is "for show," but yes, Biden will raise taxes for mega corporations like Amazon. Of course he's going to sell his shares now when he can still pay no taxes for them.

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