Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 339: Blue With NV

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Count the votes
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Georgia lead is down to 9,525 with well over 40k votes left.

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Also this is a very useful site:

https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

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Who branded it Obamacare anyway? Was it Obama or the GOP?
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This is why only Jakyl should make topics, honestly.

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It took me a second to get the topic title, but damn that's good!

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Trust The Process

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Jakyl25 posted...

Who branded it Obamacare anyway? Was it Obama or the GOP?

The GOP for sure. Democrats, in typical cowardice, tried really hard to run from that label. Which is why it is incredible that they think running on the ACA being good will help them, when they instinctively want to run from it despite Obama being extremely popular with their voters.

Jakyl25 posted...

Who branded it Obamacare anyway? Was it Obama or the GOP?

Pretty sure it was the gop

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Jakyl25 posted...

Who branded it Obamacare anyway? Was it Obama or the GOP?

who do you think?

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I would've gone with "Pennsylvania: Symphony of the Mail" but this works too

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Delete the Senate

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RaidenGarai posted...

It took me a second to get the topic title, but damn that's good!

That is why we should always just wait for the new topic when Jakyl isn't around, however long it takes.

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Hbthebattle posted...

I would've gone with "Pennsylvania: Symphony of the Mail" but this works too

"Pennsylvania: Dawn of Soros"

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https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324474674521219073

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fuming posted...

The GOP for sure. Democrats, in typical cowardice, tried really hard to run from that label. Which is why it is incredible that they think running on the ACA being good will help them, when they instinctively want to run from it despite Obama being extremely popular with their voters.

you could also look at it as in 2010 after passing the ACA, the Democrats had a massive loss in the house, which effectively neutered Obama for six years.

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From the previous topic...

Jakyl25 posted...

Thats not true at all

Districts are drawn by equal population, not equal land mass

That's not what I said. The population in cities tend to be overwhelmingly Democratic while rural areas are more leaning Republican. For example a city of 700k people would have one district, but may vote Democrats 70/30 while a rural area of 700k people may vote Republican 55/45. Both result in one seat, but you can see if this is done across the US the Republicans will win more seats if both parties get the same overall votes.

Here's 538's example. A neutral way gives Republicans a 30 seat advantage. Even other ways of redrawing districts gives the Republicans the advantage (outside of Democratic gerrymandering)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/

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We need proportional representation in the house tbh.

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Lmao

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1324456569778675712?s=19

definitionofinsanity.txt

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fuming posted...

The GOP for sure. Democrats, in typical cowardice, tried really hard to run from that label. Which is why it is incredible that they think running on the ACA being good will help them, when they instinctively want to run from it despite Obama being extremely popular with their voters.

IIRC, Democrats ran from the label at first before Obama eventually owned it and used the term in his 2012 campaign speeches, usually to loud applause.

"They've called it Obamacare. Well they're right. Obama does care!"

Where is the next Obama

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irate that we still haven't had a topic title based off that "devastating in their percentage and power of destruction" tweet

we've had like 3 topics since then

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Wait,

you really think it would be easier to win if your candidate was trying to annihilate billion dollar insurance companies?

You think misinformation for Biden was bad

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Lmao

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1324456569778675712?s=19

definitionofinsanity.txt

Biden ran on none of these and he's about to move Georgia 5 points to the left from 2016.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Who branded it Obamacare anyway? Was it Obama or the GOP?

GOP who was repeating their branding of the Clinton proposal in the 90s as "Hillarycare."

Obama decided to own it and try and reclaim it but it was 100% a GOP branding and the polling differences between Obamacare and ACA kind of make that obvious.

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Edit: oh I'm dumb I get it now

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I do wonder if Biden may have been more successful had he run on some policies.

Medicare for all who want it I actually think is pretty catchy and hard to argue against.

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Taggy

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I don't get the topic title

Say the letters individually when you read the title.

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https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768?s=20

We sure showed them by sitting out this election, right?

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I don't get the topic title

Took me a second, but it's some of Jakyl's best work.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Biden ran on none of these and he's about to move Georgia 5 points to the left from 2016.

First of all I'd attribute this more to Abrams than anything Biden himself did

But you're confident the runoffs are in the bag, then?

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xp1337 posted...

Say the letters individually when you read the title.

Yeah I was dumb and was reading it as Blue with Nevada lolol

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Defund the police is a stupid tag line.

what is with democrats and getting destroyed by republicans in naming wars. How the hell is prochoice ever going to beat pro life.

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No, because Biden isn't on that ticket.

(It doesn't matter what his popularity is - dems aren't going to show up for a non-presidential election like they did this one. Especially true if Biden wins.)

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Is "Medicare for all" really that bad of a tag? Like 20% of the country already has it!

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TheRock1525 posted...

Biden ran on none of these and he's about to move Georgia 5 points to the left from 2016.

They are going to lose both senate seats. Biden got republicans to come out to vote out Trump, but downballot voted GOP. If the Biden strategy is continued his entire administration will be as neutered as Obama after the mid terms, at best. There are huge swaths of the population who don't vote because they don't think the government will do anything for them, and demonstrably doing nothing for them and not even pretending to run on doing anything for them is how you get a country where people only vote on cultural issues, and when your government system favors smaller rural states, right wingers will win big if it is always about culture wars.

Suprak the Stud posted...

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768?s=20

We sure showed them by sitting out this election, right?

House race ads in my district went super hard on "Defund the Police" attacks from the right (as well as a bunch of state-level races that all share the media market). Got to the point where in the last two weeks the Dem candidate released an ad directly addressing it saying it was a lie and "of course I don't support defunding the police."

It was definitely the #1 message repeated by ads from the GOP and affiliated PACs. Second was LAW AND ORDER. Third was Pelosi. COVID might come in at fourth?

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

First of all I'd attribute this more to Abrams than anything Biden himself did

But you're confident the runoffs are in the bag, then?

It's really hard to tell what the American people want. Trump promised more police and called BLM terrorists, and he got a larger portion of black voters than 2016.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Is "Medicare for all" really that bad of a tag? Like 20% of the country already has it!

The problem is that if everyone gets Medicare, then even "those people" get it. Americans don't want their hard-earned money being wasted on helping "those people". If we want a single-payer healthcare system to pass, we'll need to find a way to make sure only good people with enough money are allowed to use it.
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masterplum posted...

Defund the police is a stupid tag line.

what is with democrats and getting destroyed by republicans in naming wars. How the hell is prochoice ever going to beat pro life.

Democrats didn't even name this! Activists did, rando liberals took it over, and actual elected officials want nothing to do with it.

I will actually concede that it's a bad thing to run on as a slogan (even though I think the actual philosophy of moving money from police/military to people SHOULD be something you can sell people on) but the fact that dems are so afraid of just the name despite none of them supporting it is what doesn't make sense. They are so scared of being compared to these policies that they water down their platform and then have to deal with it anyways.

See also Joe Biden's fracking ban (he doesn't have one)

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https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1324450412427153409?s=20

Oh cool so we have this lunatic to deal with too.

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masterplum posted...

what is with democrats and getting destroyed by republicans in naming wars. How the hell is prochoice ever going to beat pro life.

That's why I don't call them pro-life. Because they're not. They don't wear masks. They don't want to give food to school children. All they really care about is the sex lives of women. It's a religious thing and eventually the 'nones' will outnumber the religious because the younger generation is becoming less and less religious.

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https://twitter.com/Loeybug/status/1323899867169771520/photo/1

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's really hard to tell what the American people want. Trump promised more police and called BLM terrorists, and he got a larger portion of black voters than 2016.

Right because people are conservatives but self-interested and will also vote for things they think will benefit them personally, like "tax cuts" and "the economy." It actually isn't too hard to understand.

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The Democrats nominated a racist behind some of the policies that have been devastating the black community, and whose vice president was a prosecutor and DA who directly negatively impacted the black community. And neither were offering a compelling vision to change their situation. To be confused why Trump got more of the black vote is absurd. Many of them are fed up with the democratic party taking them for granted. The nominees picked are a direct insult to the black community.

fuming posted...

The Democrats nominated a racist behind some of the policies that have been devastating the black community, and whose vice president was a prosecutor and DA who directly negatively impacted the black community. And neither were offering a compelling vision to change their situation. To be confused why Trump got more of the black vote is absurd. Many of them are fed up with the democratic party taking them for granted. The nominees picked are a direct insult to the black community.

I wish south Carolina would have seen it that way during the primary

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fuming posted...

The Democrats nominated a racist behind some of the policies that have been devastating the black community, and whose vice president was a prosecutor and DA who directly negatively impacted the black community. And neither were offering a compelling vision to change their situation. To be confused why Trump got more of the black vote is absurd. Many of them are fed up with the democratic party taking them for granted. The nominees picked are a direct insult to the black community.

Biden was the nominee because the black vote favored him! You can argue about Kamala having a negative impact, but the black vote favored Hillary AND Biden in the primaries.

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This might be why Fox is hesitant to make the call

https://twitter.com/orinanne/status/1324478002756014087?s=21

Lol
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fuming posted...

The Democrats nominated a racist behind some of the policies that have been devastating the black community, and whose vice president was a prosecutor and DA who directly negatively impacted the black community. And neither were offering a compelling vision to change their situation. To be confused why Trump got more of the black vote is absurd. Many of them are fed up with the democratic party taking them for granted. The nominees picked are a direct insult to the black community.

Biden absolutely demolished Bernie with the black community. That's the entire reason he was the nominee. Black voters over the age of 45 were his strongest support group and that's why he got absolutely blown out in all the early predominantly white states.

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