Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 347: The Indian in the Cabinet

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I am legitimately empressed that #NobodyLikesKelly has been sitting in my trending page for like a week even though I've never clicked it. That's of course for Loeffler and not Mike.

There's also a wierd trend in all the GA ads where from what I can tell Loeffler and Perdue just straight up aren't putting out ANY ads that aren't attack ads? I have not seen a single ad with either if them actually in it or talking about themselves, not even baked into the attack ads.

Meanwhile, Warnock has a puppy.

https://youtu.be/XK9E8iyibYo

There is the unfortunate side of things where Ossof and Warnock are both swinging to a pro police focus. One of Warnock's ads is like a dozen officers and sergeants talking about his great relationship with the police. And I mean, it's objectively a good ad, but I don't have to be happy about it.

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https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1333555615407411203

(diGenova is one of Trump's lawyers)

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theres this weirdly large subset of trump supporters who are really into public executions for some reason
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

theres this weirdly large subset of trump supporters who are really into public executions for some reason

Nostalgia for the days when they could lynch black people and their communities would support it, mostly.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

There's also a wierd trend in all the GA ads where from what I can tell Loeffler and Perdue just straight up aren't putting out ANY ads that aren't attack ads?

Trump has basically poisoned positive ads for a long time. He's pretty much proof that negative ads work.
On both ends of it too, his victory and defeat.

Atlas is out

https://twitter.com/ichotiner/status/1333565396624973824?s=21

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Leafeon13N posted...

Trump has basically poisoned positive ads for a long time. He's pretty much proof that negative ads work.
On both ends of it too, his victory and defeat.

I mean, it wasn't Trump who did that. It's long been shown in data that for as much as people say they prefer positive ads, negative ads have much more impact in politics.

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Also, in SCOTUS news. They heard oral arguments on the "can Trump exclude undocumented immigrants from the census count in regards to how house seats are apportioned" case

https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1333443057262481408

According to this thread, it appears that at least 5 judges recognize that excluding them from the count is unconstitutional but a number of them seem to be raising ripeness/standing (that is, that until Trump/someone actually does this that it's not something they should rule on.) Specifically he says that Kavanaugh and Barrett appear to acknowledge that a categorical exclusion is unlawful they've been skeptical that SCOTUS can act until the policy has been implemented. And that only Thomas and Alito seemed gung-ho about excluding them.

Still might end up punting on ripeness and leave the underlying question unresolved.

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https://twitter.com/badlegaltakes/status/1333593497413111809?s=21

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xp1337 posted...

Thomas and Alito seemed gung-ho about excluding them.

Fucking shocker, this one. Like, Kavanaugh demonstrated that he was blatantly unqualified for the job during his confirmation hearing and Barrett is a blatant religious nutcase, but these two are both always worse LOL

The kraken urging Trump to literally become a dictator:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1333670496949321728?s=21

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Oh yeah, the R in IA-02 officially won by 6 votes:

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1333642701082910720?s=21

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Almost 75 million Americans voted for a functional dictatorship.

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wow, it really was 6 votes in the end.
pending whatever legal challenges exist after it's certified of course but that's a margin where you gotta wonder which of your relatives screwed you over.

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Manchin is such a fucking tool.

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Wanglicious posted...

wow, it really was 6 votes in the end.
pending whatever legal challenges exist after it's certified of course but that's a margin where you gotta wonder which of your relatives screwed you over.

As someone born and raised in that district I can happily say my parents not only voted by actively campaigned for Hart and volunteered a lot of time encouraging voters. So my family did what they could at least.

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lol

https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1333535859153440769?s=19

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Im just glad for the most part republicans arent caving in to the borat of dictators.

like Trump calling Republican governors isnt surprising at all, and if I was the governor I wouldnt just not take calls.

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... where the fuck have you been for the last 4 years, plum

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There's a difference between caving on trumps bad policies and caving to literal fascism

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masterplum posted...

There's a difference between caving on trumps bad policies and caving to literal fascism

They caved to this the moment it became apparent that Trump was a Russian lapdog (a.k.a. early on) and they did nothing about it. And when Trump implemented & encouraged domestic terrorism numerous time. And when they were okay with anything Bill Bar does. They were given clear opportunities to push back against this and never did.

Republicans didn't cave to facism. They ARE facism. Trump is just the figurehead.

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Ok that's just not true. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney are not fascists, just like Joe Biden isn't a socialist.

Lumping every republican together is as accurate as saying ever democrat is bernie sanders

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masterplum posted...

Ok that's just not true. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney are not fascists, just like Joe Biden isn't a socialist.

Lumping every republican together is as accurate as saying ever democrat is bernie sanders

If moderate Democrats were sitting back and allowing Bernie and AOC to control the party's agenda without question, then yes, you could say every Democrat is Bernie Sanders.

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And to pre-empt your statements about my exaggerating or taking things out of context or being extreme: I would like to remind you that the notion of the Democrats packing the courts scared you enough to claim that it would cause a civil war, despite the fact that Republicans have packed the courts to an absurd degree over the past four years.

From my perspective you very much seem like someone who gives the GOP the benefit of the doubt whenever you can and has been dragged into your current political stance of "maybe they're not doing so great" unwillingly by being unable to ignore Trump being Trump any longer. This is much better than never re-considering your point of view at all, but there is also very much a sort of longtime affection for the GOP in the undertone of all your posts in this topic series.

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Inviso posted...

If moderate Democrats were sitting back and allowing Bernie and AOC to control the party's agenda without question, then yes, you could say every Democrat is Bernie Sanders.

Yeah, pretty much. I can't find the full quote but there's one I like that goes "What do we call people back in WW2-era Germany who didn't agree with Nazis but stayed silent and never opposed them on anything? We call them Nazis." Republicans don't get a free pass for maybe deep down disagreeing with Trump. Not when they've NEVER once gone against his wishes.

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At least Romney tried to get rid of the bastard.

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I mean, my political beliefs are fairly centrist, but I wouldn't say I have any GOP affection. I'm extremely annoyed in the radicalization of both political parties.

And to preempt your statement, given they 80 million people voted for Trump and are therefore more right leaning than I am, I am certainly centrist.

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masterplum posted...

I mean, my political beliefs are fairly centrist, but I wouldn't say I have any GOP affection. I'm extremely annoyed in the radicalization of both political parties.

And to preempt your statement, given they 80 million people voted for Trump and are therefore more right leaning than I am, I am certainly centrist.

You can't 'both sides' wanting healthcare vs trump, Plum

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You can't 'both sides' wanting healthcare vs trump, Plum

Never said 'both sides' one side is certainly bat shit crazy.

But some of the policies that far left have proposed are proposterus. A transaction tax on money transactions would cause the financial sector to burst into flames. Universal health care would immediately destroy the health care sector. You can't throw fire bombs like that without having pragmatic solutions of how to slowly move to that point.

I really like Medicare for all who want it for instance because I think it's moving in the right direction

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masterplum posted...

Ok that's just not true. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney are not fascists, just like Joe Biden isn't a socialist.

We talkin' 'bout Susan "I'm Sure He Learned His Lesson" Collins?

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masterplum posted...

I'm extremely annoyed in the radicalization of both political parties.

how are the dems radicalized?

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I think Romney and maybe Murkowski are literally the only Republicans to openly oppose Trump in the entire last four years. McCain did too but real talk I heavily question if he does if he wasn't dying at the time - there's a current trend of Republicans decrying Trump as they leave office, and it's like, that's little bit too late guys. I'm very happy that McCain opposes a change that would have fucked most of the country (me included) but yeah.

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HashtagSEP posted...

We talkin' 'bout Susan "I'm Sure He Learned His Lesson" Collins?

She definitely learned her lesson. "If I vote against the Amy Coney Barrett nomination, all the idiots will think I really am bipartisan!"

And then she won.

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masterplum posted...

Universal health care would immediately destroy the health care sector.

oh ok maybe i shouldn't bother arguing with this dude

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masterplum posted...

Universal health care would immediately destroy the health care sector.

Why? I see this thrown around a lot, but nobody ever really says why.

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masterplum posted...

Universal health care would immediately destroy the health care sector.

Considering that destroying the current health-care sector and installing universal health care would actually save the country money, sounds good to me.

Obviously you need to have a solid groundwork and transition plan for doing this, but the GOP (and like half the Democratic party) have completely stonewalled any attempts at that.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how are the dems radicalized?

They want to pack the Court. They want to end the Electoral College. They want to end the Senate. They want 51% of the people to have dictatorial power over the other 49%.

Basically, they want to throw out our constitution and replace it with something similar to that of revolutionary France. And we know where that ended up - people being guillotined based on a preposterously low standard of evidence (whatever is sufficient to convince a patriot) within 4 years.

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masterplum posted...

Universal health care would immediately destroy the health care sector.

Ah yes, let me look at all those countries with universal health care, like Germany, Norway, and Denmark, all of which *checks notes* have perfectly functioning health care sectors.

seriously what the fuck are you on about

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masterplum posted...

Never said 'both sides' one side is certainly bat shit crazy.

One side has some batshit crazy supporters. The other side has batshit crazy leaders that nearly everyone else follows with 100% loyalty.

In conclusion, both sides are about the same?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how are the dems radicalized?

Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh ok maybe i shouldn't bother arguing with this dude

I am more left than at least 80 million Americans and I am apparently still too conservative to talk to. That's how the Democrats are radicalized. You see it everywhere on the internet

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Xeybozn posted...

One side has some batshit crazy supporters. The other side has batshit crazy leaders that nearly everyone else follows with 100% loyalty.

In conclusion, both sides are about the same?

One side has largely marginalized supporters who want to give everyone healthcare and generally make life better for all citizens. The other side's main stream of support wants to kill everyone who isn't white, cis, and heterosexual. The two sides are not the same.

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Say something controversial

Get reacted to

"Gotcha, you radical leftists!"

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KamikazePotato posted...

Considering that destroying the current health-care sector and installing universal health care would actually save the country money, sounds good to me.

Obviously you need to have a solid groundwork and transition plan for doing this, but the GOP (and like half the Democratic party) have completely stonewalled any attempts at that.

Where is the transition plan? I haven't seen any reasonable explanation of how we are going to immediately kill 16 million jobs and transition them smoothly.

We may be back to the Democrats suck at messaging conversation

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masterplum posted...

I am more left than at least 80 million Americans

that's not saying much from a global perspective.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Say something controversial

Get reacted to

"Gotcha, you radical leftists!"

What I'm saying isn't a radical take

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you can't spell "radical leftists" without "radical!"
*skateboards out of topic*

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

that's not saying much from a global perspective.

I always wonder about this. It isn't from a western european perspective at least.

But regardless if you want to make changes in America you have to make changes Americans want. The rest of the world doesn't vote in American elections.

So do you want to be the old man yelling at clouds or do you want to get something that Americans will support


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Bernie had a plan for transitioning healthcare workers (odd that pro Bernie people arent bringing this up;))

I dont blame a non-Bernie person for not knowing his plans, as they werent communicated very well. And look at the shit responses you get here plum.

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masterplum posted...

I am more left than at least 80 million Americans and I am apparently still too conservative to talk to. That's how the Democrats are radicalized. You see it everywhere on the internet

Almost half of Germans supported Nazi Germany. On a lower-key scale, 38% of the US doesn't believe in evolution. It's not only possible, but common for a large swathes of a populace to be completely wrong. So while it's good that you are more left than a lot of people in the US, from a worldwide perspective you aren't left in the slightest, which is important to keep in mind. America is right-wing to the point of tickling the balls of facism.

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masterplum posted...

So do you want to be the old man yelling at clouds or do you want to get something that Americans will support

Will feel weird posting this after just pointing out that it's common for large portions of a country to be dumb, but...

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/29/increasing-share-of-americans-favor-a-single-government-program-to-provide-health-care-coverage/

On the ground level, the support is there.

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