Board 8 > Genshin Impact Topic 3: The artifact hunt begins

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you barely even have to develop bennett for him to be useful, it's great

the atk buff scales with only base attack (can swap someone else's sword onto him when you use him), the healing is rather significant even with low gear, the status cleanse doesn't require gear, and he's always a nice backup energy generator if you want to sacrifice attack power

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Bennett seems to suffer from Dumb Shonen Protagonist Syndrome for my tastes. He's the kind of character I'd only use if I had no viable alternative, regardless of what his potential might be. Maybe if we get genderbent versions of characters. Could call it 'Bennette'. The memes practically print themselves.

Honestly, I'm mostly just too stretched to even think about developing him. I'm working on Xinyan and Zhongli and creeping very close to AR50 where I get to care about all my other peoples all over again. I've also been wanting to find time developing Kaeya, because mihoyo has decided that he is the only ice unit I will ever have.

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Do you just increase his ult, for talents? And then build for energy recharge, I guess?

Thing that sits weird with me regarding Bennett is that he only heals to 70%. Like, I understand he isn't singularly a healer, but it feels really weird to sacrifice the other 30% of my health, even in this offensively-minded game.

Anyway, i guess the good news is that we're getting a shiny new sword with this release. I haven't checked the stats, but it's probably something we'll want to level, regardless. And then give to Albedo.

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generally speaking being at 70% hp ensures you won't get oneshot, and when you do get hit you recover that lost hp REALLY fast anyways

i've facetanked the "do not use fire here or you take a lot of damage" domain with bennett simply because the healing was so huge

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Sometimes this game makes me want to strangle it.

I hop on thinking it will be a simple matter to do my dailies and do a fun little pull, one of the last on this banner i can do, but nooooope, I gotta help Ellin kill 5 training dummies in a line. I know the trick of getting their hp down before wiping them out with aoe, but I just don't have the right units to really do this type of task.

The best I got is Noelle using her Sweeping Time, but every time I wanna try again, I have to go kill monsters and come back, only to fail because I destroy the last training dummy .1 seconds more than the 2 second limit.

Really sours my night.

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We can probably speculate what Ganyus banner will be since it wont have any new 4*s either I believe.

Amber, Lisa & Kaeya

Including any of those 3 would be a slap in the face as most players dont want them.

Sucrose, Bennett & Fischl

Nope because theyre already on Albedos

Beidou, Xinyan, Diona, Chongyun, Ningguang & Razor

Most likely no because they were all just recently featured on Childe and Zhongli banners.

Which would leave us with....

Barbara, Noelle, Xiangling & Xingqiu

As the most likely candidates, but they could always pick others.

I want Bennet to replace both of Barb+Xingliang a lot in my Xinyan team so this banner is pretty great for me.

And I also want Sucrose so I can leave the MC on Geo.
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agesboy posted...

generally speaking being at 70% hp ensures you won't get oneshot, and when you do get hit you recover that lost hp REALLY fast anyways

Assuming you have the ult up and can remain in the circle. I dunno, I feel like I'm going to want to run him with another healer as training wheels until I get comfortable with the idea. Probably Diona rather than Barbara. Less healing so I don't completely wuss out.

SovietOmega posted...

but nooooope, I gotta help Ellin kill 5 training dummies in a line....Really sours my night.

I hate that stupid quest. I feel like they've made them easier recently -- or I've just gotten more forgiving patterns -- but the first time I had to do it, there were two clusters of three, separated by a decent gap, and I could not for the life of me figure out *any* way to do that. I tried softening them up with a catalyst user and the popping them one after the other, but I'd always get a crit and kill one prematurely. Took me at least 90 minutes to get that one to work. Easily the worst daily commission.

swordz9 posted...

We can probably speculate what Ganyus banner will be since it wont have any new 4*s either I believe.

...Barbara, Noelle, Xiangling & Xingqiu...As the most likely candidates, but they could always pick others.

I did a similar speculation, except I added one additional layer that they would all be Liyue characters to complement the all-Mondstadt banner we have now, and I came up with Xiangling, Xingqiu, and Beidou. (Alt: Ningguang)

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The potency of Bennett's healing circle is pretty crazy. When it's up I just stand in it and facetank all damage because it seems it regens faster than you can be overwhelmed

azuarc posted...

Assuming you have the ult up and can remain in the circle. I dunno, I feel like I'm going to want to run him with another healer as training wheels until I get comfortable with the idea. Probably Diona rather than Barbara. Less healing so I don't completely wuss out.

there's like a three second gap between when Q wears off and when you can use it again, and it lowers the CD on his E while letting its energy generation stay the same, so you can very very very easily keep it up for as long as you want and then build up most of another charge for safety. and in the process you probably have everyone else's Q's back up too

as opposed to like barbara where if her 30s long cd E and 80 energy Q aren't usable you're just out of luck. especially since she can barely regenerate her own energy, and thats with a bunch of constellations

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Do I need to wait to do my weekly bosses because there's no battle pass right now?

Also I read somewhere today that you should always do pulls individually rather than in 10s because the guarantee is every 10 pulls rather than 'every 10 pull'. Is that true? Like I'm so used to other gachas only giving you the guarantee if you do the multi pull

The guaranteed 4* and 5* counters count number of pulls, regardless of how they're spaced out, yes. Singles are marginally better in some circumstances (if you're wanting to stop after getting one character, mostly). Takes a good bit longer though.

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I would.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Also I read somewhere today that you should always do pulls individually rather than in 10s because the guarantee is every 10 pulls rather than 'every 10 pull'. Is that true? Like I'm so used to other gachas only giving you the guarantee if you do the multi pull

Pretty sure that's just an Old Wives' Tale. You'll get what you would have gotten if you had pulled 10 times in sequence. The only bit of credence to it is if you're pulling on a banner just to hit pity and then move on, like if you're pulling the weapon banner. Singles might get you the 5-star early in the sequence and then prevent you from burning 7 or 8 wishes toward a new pity timer you'll never make use of.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

Do I need to wait to do my weekly bosses because there's no battle pass right now?

Also I read somewhere today that you should always do pulls individually rather than in 10s because the guarantee is every 10 pulls rather than 'every 10 pull'. Is that true? Like I'm so used to other gachas only giving you the guarantee if you do the multi pull

My understanding is that it doesn't quite matter in the end. If you're only wanting a 4* and then stopping, do single. If you're just chipping away at pity, do whatever. I think the reasoning was something like if you do a 10-pull and the first roll would have been the thing you wanted, you've sorta wasted the other 9 rolls.

I've heard some people say they've had better luck with one over the other, but I'm not sure how much the data backs this up.

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Ill probably do singles on Ganyus banner til I get her since its probably unlikely I care too much about the 4*s on her banner. I mean constellations are nice sure, but Ill take new characters over dupes

yeah, the advantage is being able to set limits and stop when you want to hedge your bets on banners you want more in case your pulling priority changes after getting something specific. if you have no specific plans and are fine with literally anything coming your way, 10 pulling is fine

there probably is no advantage regarding pull rates one way or the other. if there are quirks to the system that slightly favor 10 vs 1 pulls, they have to be tiny because it's never been seriously observed, so meh

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After Ganyu I might wait for a featured Mona banner unless another new character catches my attention

azuarc posted...

I would.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Also I read somewhere today that you should always do pulls individually rather than in 10s because the guarantee is every 10 pulls rather than 'every 10 pull'. Is that true? Like I'm so used to other gachas only giving you the guarantee if you do the multi pull

Pretty sure that's just an Old Wives' Tale. You'll get what you would have gotten if you had pulled 10 times in sequence. The only bit of credence to it is if you're pulling on a banner just to hit pity and then move on, like if you're pulling the weapon banner. Singles might get you the 5-star early in the sequence and then prevent you from burning 7 or 8 wishes toward a new pity timer you'll never make use of.

If you're only pulling for the guarantee'd 4*, do singles because you might get it in 5 pulls rather than 10. If you're pulling more than that you might as well do the 10 pull to save clicks(Arknights is another Gacha where this is the case)

In several other Gachas(for example Magia Record), doing 10 single pulls didn't guarantee anything, but you were guaranteed a magical girl if you did a full 10 pull.
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i believe genshin impact treats 10 rolls as 10 individual rolls so its equivilant. Single rolls just let you stop when you want

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And so the waiting begins.

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Downloading now!

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Oh still down for maintenance...

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7. Fixes an issue whereby Geo constructs may move NPCs from their positions. In regard to this issue, we have actually seen a lot of interesting content created by Travelers (such as ousting Katheryne and escorting Godwin back home).

Haha I love that they commented on this. That one person spent 8 hours getting Godwin home using Zhongli

Well I got C3 Xinyan and Beidou from the free pulls from ascension, so I'm p happy.
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Albedo is pretty cool.

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I got Jean with the Ascension wishes. My waifu finally.

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Wowzers, Rosaria. New best girl?

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All my wishes were pretty sucky. Had like 4k primogens plus quite a few of the normal acquaints

Fischl x2 (And I didn't get her in the event so only C1)
Lisa
Beidou
Sacrificial Greatsword x2
Sacrificial Bow
Favonius Lance

Edit: All I wanted was 1 Benny to get him C1 :(

Leveled Jean and Keqing to 89. I want to see how long it will take to reach 90.

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Rosaria seems pretty awesome. Hopefully she'll have gameplay to match.

I recorded my pulls just in case it was exciting and worth sharing, but the video got messed up. I pulled standard to pity, and then switched to character banner. I got:
Qiqi
Ningguang (to C1)
Fischl (to C3)
Barbara x2 (to C6+1...)
some random weapons I didn't need

I'm simultaneously pleased with the windfall of stuff and rather disappointed with what could have been. Last good Fischl con until C6, and there was a time when Qiqi was my most sought character, but I really didn't need more Barbaras and the weapons weren't helpful at all.

A small part of me wants to buy gems now. Albedo looks pretty promising. Hoping to scrape together another ten-pull with all the chests in Dragonspine and stuff. Already went from 600 to 1100, so 1600's probably not too far off. There'll be plenty of testing on Albedo by then.

Speaking of which, I got a free...spear? I'm confused now. I thought the sword was the free weapon. I don't need a spear. Xiangling's happy with the one she's got (which isn't even as good as Crescent Pike.)

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I rather like a lot of the design philosophy of what I've experienced of Dragonspine so far. Pretty gentle introductions into the mechanics and nothing so far seems so far removed from sources of warmth. The distraction bingo is back in full effect with chests/seelie/agates/puzzles/waypoints/materials/monsters to juggle, but I imagine that will die down much quicker than usual with this being a fairly compact region.

The cold makes it feel quite a bit bigger than it is, coupled with inner and outer layers to contend with. Certainly more topologically interesting than your average map spot.

I also love how they've repackaged the seelie mechanic into something genuinely useful by virtue of them warming you up as you travel, often guiding you somewhere worthy of your attention.

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I agree completely with that. I was actually thinking the same exact thing, even though I chose to go rogue and explore fully around the base of the mountain before continuing with the quest...and ended up marking every spot I needed to "mine" until I realized what crimson shards were really for.

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Alright. So since all this time I've been running a Physical carry, today I was looking at Reactions comps and learned certain Elemental reactions cannot Crit. And I'm like, is this for real? What? Is Crit useless on certain character builds then?

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Oh wait. If looking at this right, the Electro or Anemo attack itself can crit, but the extra number that pops for a Swirl or an Overload can't be crit?

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I don't know because my entire strategy for most things revolves around 'Tartaglia go brrrr' regardless of if a reaction will be procced. And I have a feeling I am in for a very rude awakening at some point in the near future because that surely can't work forever

Tartaglia and Bennett at 70 are the only 2 I have levelled/geared outside of Lisa at 60 in terribad gear to solo Oceanids and Barbara at 60 in HP gear for 'Oh shit, I messed up better heal'

I also discovered today that I am apparently using Bennett wrong as I have the Flute on him and should have something else on him (energy recharge I guess)

Melt and Vaporize are unique -- and help me if I can figure out why miHoYo designed it this way -- in that they both scale off attack and can crit. However, their base damage is lower and maybe also how much EM affects them? Not sure about that last part.

Whatever the case is, extreme min-max'ers favor Melt and Overload comps because you can get the biggest numbers from them, which is part of why pyro is regarded as the best element.

edited to fix mistake (thanks sceptile)

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You mean Melt and Vaporize. Overload isn't one of the better reactions.

EDIT: And I think the way it works is that Melt and Vaporize have a base damage based on a percentage of the base attack's damage. A crit Melt or Vaporize will do big damage. Whereas others do base damage only scaling on level. EM is applied on the base damage for all the reactions.

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Overload is one of the better reactions, though. It has the highest multiplier of the transformation reactions. It does have a downside in that enemies are thrown away, but that downside doesn't matter vs bosses or enemies held in place by skills like Venti's Q. And it's not even necessarily a downside to begin with vs enemies like electro mages that you want to perma cc.

Melt/vaporize pretty much take the initial hit and multiply it against EM for a much bigger hit, so it's scaled by all your offensive artifact stats too. All the other reactions create an additional hit that scales off of solely EM+level+resistances (plus anything else that specifically helps that reaction, like specific set bonuses or constellations). So amplifying reactions have a higher damage ceiling because they can be scaled further, but transformation reactions have a higher damage floor because it's easy to scale the few things they scale off of.

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Is the inventory capacity number bugged? Mine says 313/2000 but that doesnt seem right.


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Oh it might mean 313 types of items.

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Yup. It used to count individual items, but they changed that in 1.1.
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People with Venti play an entirely different game than people without Venti. It's not even funny.

Anyway, with this, now my two Abyss teams are set.

Razor/Qiqi/Fischl/Xinyan
Diluc/Jean/Mona/Sucrose

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My free acquaint fate (21) got me C4 Barbara, a dupe of 4* Sacrificial Great Sword and a 4* Lions Roar. I feel kinda robbed lol

I picked up C1 for Diluc (and some less interesting nonsense). No complaints with that.

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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

People with Venti play an entirely different game than people without Venti.

IKR. Part of the reason I'm tempted to work on Sucrose, even if it's not really the same.

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venti makes me really glad i played like a madman to farm up 90 more rolls on a reroll account to guarantee him

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Starglow Cavern gives me Xenoblade vibes, love it.

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