Board 8 > now that theres a vaccine out for the covid

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now that there is vaccine do you plan on getting it

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yes, obviously, i have a functional brain

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l'll most likely be getting it at work next week

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Steiner posted...

yes, obviously, i have a functional brain

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Steiner posted...

yes, obviously, i have a functional brain

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I don't want to be part of the first wave of people with the vaccine. I mean I'll get it "EVENTUALLY" but there's too much stress on being the first testers, for the worldwide version is as worrysome as the in lab control, because you don't know what happens when it gets released from the control to the population at large, there's too many variables in the human body, and things can come up that didn't happen in a controlled environment.

Steiner posted...

yes, obviously, i have a functional brain

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Undecided given that I probably already had the virus

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Yes

Though I doubt it'll become available to me until maybe February or March. I'm also indifferent to which one I receive.

FL81 posted...

Undecided given that I probably already had the virus

I'd still recommend getting it since most indications are that the vaccines produce a stronger immunity than natural infection, and you could also look at it as being like a booster shot.

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Not until I hear more about its effectiveness. I never get flu shots because they seem almost as likely to give you the flu as to protect you from it. Obviously we trust MMR shots, but this is a brand new vaccine.

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azuarc posted...

almost as likely

This has to be extreme hyperbole, yeah? I know it can cause mild flu but this doesn't seem right

azuarc posted...

Not until I hear more about its effectiveness. I never get flu shots because they seem almost as likely to give you the flu as to protect you from it. Obviously we trust MMR shots, but this is a brand new vaccine.

yeah that's completely false but whatever

also I hope people know that in the US this vaccine is not "out" and won't be available for most people for months

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Yes. Not like it will be available to ordinary, non-high risk people like me for ages still anyway so if it turns people into mutants I'll know by then and make my decision based on how cool the mutations are

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I'm an immuno-compromised individual who hasn't left the house in almost 11 months now. I'd very much like to get a vaccine, but I might wait in quarantine a couple months to just see how it all irons out.

The VA will probably let me know when it's free for me and I'll have a better idea at that point too.

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colliding posted...

yeah that's completely false but whatever

also I hope people know that in the US this vaccine is not "out" and won't be available for most people for months

I thought the US was supposed to be getting enough doses for 30 million people in December? Or was it only 30 million doses? (one person needs two doses)
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Steiner posted...

yes, obviously, i have a functional brain

ZeeksFire posted...

I don't want to be part of the first wave of people with the vaccine. I mean I'll get it "EVENTUALLY" but there's too much stress on being the first testers, for the worldwide version is as worrysome as the in lab control, because you don't know what happens when it gets released from the control to the population at large, there's too many variables in the human body, and things can come up that didn't happen in a controlled environment.

Kind of a combination of these. Obviously I want it, but I'd rather not be part of the first wave of general population next March. But I may not have a choice because my boss might want me to come back to the office asap in March, so I'll see.
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I will probably have the option to do so at work eventually. I'm not a front line worker or anything but I am in healthcare so we'll likely be getting it sooner rather than later.

I've already had covid though and I'm not high risk so I might let someone who needs it more than me have it instead depending on the availability of it.

Yes, but I don't plan on being one of the first to take it.

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As soon as I possibly can

azuarc posted...

Not until I hear more about its effectiveness. I never get flu shots because they seem almost as likely to give you the flu as to protect you from it. Obviously we trust MMR shots, but this is a brand new vaccine.

Trials for both RNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) show them as being ~94% effective.

The flu shot doesnt give you the flu. It can trigger some flu-like symptoms because theyre just your bodys immune response activating.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

I thought the US was supposed to be getting enough doses for 30 million people in December? Or was it only 30 million doses? (one person needs two doses)

the population of the united states is 328.2 million

according to the census, there are 54 million "elderly" people in the US alone

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Yep getting it by the end of the month at work

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Out of curiosity, what kinds of work do you do, and what countries do you live in, that will get you the vaccine so early?

I'm a computer person, so i think I'm dead last on the list

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Steiner posted...

yes, obviously, i have a functional brain

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"functional brains" take vaccines with a potential greater risk of severe adverse reactions than the risk of covid for a young, healthy person?

LordoftheMorons posted...

The flu shot doesnt give you the flu. It can trigger some flu-like symptoms because theyre just your bodys immune response activating.

The worst flu I ever got, and it almost killed me, was the one year I took a flu shot. Even if there's no correlation, I'm not taking a flu shot again.

The covid vaccine seems really safe though. One of my former DVMs now works at Pfizer, and the rate of adverse side effects in animals is almost nonexistent. Couldn't tell you about human side effects, but it doesn't look like many volunteers are experiencing anything permanent.

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banananor posted...

Out of curiosity, what kinds of work do you do, and what countries do you live in, that will get you the vaccine so early?

I'm a computer person, so i think I'm dead last on the list

I work in a hospital blood chemistry lab


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MitchMcConnell posted...

"functional brains" take vaccines with a potential greater risk of severe adverse reactions than the risk of covid for a young, healthy person?

If you're 30 you have something like a 1 in 4000 chance of dying of covid, and a considerably higher chance than that of having a really bad illness. No deaths have been linked to the vaccines in safety trials, and the side effects that they do show (aches, nausea etc) are short term and not as bad as a moderate case of covid. And that's before you factor in not killing other people by being a vector for covid.

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PostContestUlti posted...

Couldn't tell you about human side effects, but it doesn't look like many volunteers are experiencing anything permanent.

The AE rates are absolutely greater than the standard flu shot

if you have no underlying complications and are under 40, I could virtually guarantee that there is a greater chance you'll die from a side effect than from covid (though both are extraordinarily low)

LordoftheMorons posted...

If you're 30 you have something like a 1 in 4000 chance of dying of covid,

dude the >30 death rate for covid in healthy patients is literally 1 in 350,000

why do you feel the need to make things up?

**< 30,

MitchMcConnell posted...

dude the >30 death rate for covid in healthy patients is literally 1 in 350,000

why do you feel the need to make things up?

You are mistaken. See Fig. 3:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v7.full.pdf

Perhaps you were basing this off of people appending an extra % to probabilities? I've seen a lot of people do that to falsely decrease death rates by a factor of 100.

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Fig. 3 can be found on the page numbered 17 for those curious

LordoftheMorons posted...

You are mistaken. See Fig. 3:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v7.full.pdf

Perhaps you were basing this off of people appending an extra % to probabilities? I've seen a lot of people do that to falsely decrease death rates by a factor of 100.

You are literally responding to a 9 karma account named "MitchMcConnell".

You are smarter than this.

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PostContestUlti posted...

You are literally responding to a 9 karma account named "MitchMcConnell".

You are smarter than this.

It's Sephy

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Nothing wrong with a lord humoring his commonfolk

banananor posted...

Out of curiosity, what kinds of work do you do, and what countries do you live in, that will get you the vaccine so early?

I'm a computer person, so i think I'm dead last on the list

America, and I work in a Princeton research lab that's a part of the network that's helped develop these things. We've very likely to be among the first to have it available.

I can tell you first hand the animal side effects were basically not there at all, but we didn't do the super hardcore research that the actual pharma companies did. They're all reporting the same thing though. The animals aren't getting sick from it.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

You are mistaken. See Fig. 3:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v7.full.pdf

Perhaps you were basing this off of people appending an extra % to probabilities? I've seen a lot of people do that to falsely decrease death rates by a factor of 100.

This is the percentage of covid patients who die. There is a 1 in 350,000 chance that a healthy person under 30 will get covid and die from covid.* That is, at worst, the same likelihood that you'll die from a lightning strike or a dog bite. And I would again conclude that the odds you'll die from a weird injection site reaction from a vaccine are greater than the risk of death from covid overall. So, yes, getting a covid vaccination as a healthy person ~30 years of age could actually a bigger "risk" than getting covid itself.

Not that I would begrudge anyone for getting one since the risk is still extremely low, but to act like you'd have to be an idiot to not get inoculated is just factually incorrect.

*Per a British study, but there are others with similar data: https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-have-been-the-fatal-risks-of-covid-particularly-to-children-and-younger-adults-a5cbf7060c49

MitchMcConnell posted...

This is the percentage of covid patients who die. There is a 1 in 350,000 chance that a healthy person under 30 will get covid and die from covid.*

true, but my buddy's dong don't work any more

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Wait is that really a covid thing

MitchMcConnell posted...

This is the percentage of covid patients who die. There is a 1 in 350,000 chance that a healthy person under 30 will get covid and die from covid.* That is, at worst, the same likelihood that you'll die from a lightning strike or a dog bite. And I would again conclude that the odds you'll die from a weird injection site reaction from a vaccine are greater than the risk of death from covid overall. So, yes, getting a covid vaccination as a healthy person ~30 years of age could actually a bigger "risk" than getting covid itself.

Not that I would begrudge anyone for getting one since the risk is still extremely low, but to act like you'd have to be an idiot to not get inoculated is just factually incorrect.

*Per a British study, but there are others with similar data: https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-have-been-the-fatal-risks-of-covid-particularly-to-children-and-younger-adults-a5cbf7060c49

The chance that you get covid is dependent on the actions we take as a society. For example, if we were to totally fail to stop covid before a vaccine was deployed (following the dumb-as-fuck herd immunity strategy) one's chance of getting covid before that would be over 50%. As is the US has had 15.5 million covid cases officially diagnosed (and that's certainly a lot less than the true number of cases), which is already almost 5% of the population. Combining that with the IFR is up down to 1 in 80000 (and probably really several times that). Meanwhile, the Pfizer safety trial had around 40k people (~half in the vaccine group) with no vaccine-linked deaths.

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Actually, I just looked up the numbers straight from the CDC website:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

As of today, about 1 in 24000 Americans between 25 and 34 has died of covid.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Meanwhile, the Pfizer safety trial had around 40k people with no vaccine-linked deaths.

If you think a major trial for the most consequential disease since the bubonic plague will be administered with the same care as some CVS worker injecting 1000 people a day, I have some news for you.

Again, my point wasn't that you SHOULDN'T get the vaccine. It's that pretending like any (young and healthy) person who doesn't is a moron is just willfully ignoring basic statistics.

LordoftheMorons posted...

As of today, about 1 in 24000 Americans between 25 and 34 has died of covid.

USA slaying the global average as per ushe

LordoftheMorons posted...

Actually, I just looked up the numbers straight from the CDC website:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

As of today, about 1 in 24000 Americans between 25 and 34 has died of covid.

Now do that age group without underlying conditions

You all need to chill you're killing my comedic timing

I'll be getting it as soon as possible. I travel a lot for work, and not being able to travel internationally for the last 9 months has put a lot of projects on hold. The sooner we get vaccines out, the sooner we can get back to rolling out new projects. As a 33 year old white male living in small town Canada, with a currently WFH job, I worry that I will be the last group of people getting the vaccine.

Especially since the government basically said they were prioritizing Natives living in the middle of the fucking arctic with no interaction with the outside world for some reason.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Wait is that really a covid thing

I dont know, but it happened to him during covid and didnt improve

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MitchMcConnell posted...

If you think a major trial for the most consequential disease since the bubonic plague will be administered with the same care as some CVS worker injecting 1000 people a day, I have some news for you.

Again, my point wasn't that you SHOULDN'T get the vaccine. It's that pretending like any (young and healthy) person who doesn't is a moron is just willfully ignoring basic statistics.

You can tell that any anti-vaxx/anti-mask assclowns have never played Plague Inc. The goal of these things isn't to stop healthy people from getting sick, it's to prevent them from spreading it to unhealthy people.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Wait is that really a covid thing

They're saying it's a possible long term side effect, due to the virus being known to cause vascular problems. It's been making headlines the past few days.

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