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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 8:39:28 AM
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No post mid season 2 spoilers please

I mean obviously it is because he murdered 3 people and gets off on it

But "incredibly socially awkward dude with no friends just wants to be loved and it all falls apart" is more touching and relatable than weird asshole billionaires having their parents killed by other weird asshole billionaires like Bruce, Penguin, Victor, Elliot

Even Firefly, Barbara, Scarecrow and Ivy have deadcparent syndrome , its getting old.

WTF does murdered parents have to do with Poison fucking Ivy FFS.

When him and Kringle were together for an episode it actually felt really sweet despite his murdering ass.

You know like a "there by the grace of God goes a good man"

I think if Gordon and Bullock had been nicer to him he would have turned out okay. All he needed was a blowie and someone to do dumb puzzles with.

Edit: Fuck come to think of it "definitely not Joker" Joker had dead parent syndrome too

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Zanzenburger
12/16/20 8:44:15 AM
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I did feel sorry for him in the beginning. You can tell he truly wanted to do good at first but went down a dark path pretty quickly after that.

BTW, I remember you saying you hated Barbara. Has your opinion on her changed between seasons? I know she is a very divisive character.

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 8:45:55 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
WTF does murdered parents have to do with Poison fucking Ivy FFS.
I think in her case, it's more the homelessness that's a result of her parents being dead. I don't think she cares too much since her dad was such an asshole.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Barbara

UnfairRepresent posted...
Edit: Fuck come to think of it "definitely not Joker" Joker had dead parent syndrome too
I'm not sure these two count as having dead parent syndrome <_<

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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 8:50:13 AM
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I count dead parent syndrome as their entire personalities/descent into their madness/motivation for their actions are based on the death of their parents

NotJoker and Barbara defo count

Take away their parents and you lose their entire character

Take away Ed's parents and no one notices a difference

Nothing wrong with dead parent syndrome its just getting old and the deaths are always so dramatic and to such broody assholes that you can't really relate to them

If anyone can relate to what happened to Penguin's mom then Jesus Christ Marie

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 8:55:30 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I count dead parent syndrome as their entire personalities/descent into their madness/motivation for their actions are based on the death of their parents
I'd say that's mostly fair for Barbara though you could argue it was the serial killer who messed her up. Not Jerome though. He killed his mom because he was crazy, not the other way around.

Also, fair warning. Gotham is pretty good, but it is one of the stupidest shows I've ever watched.

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harley2280
12/16/20 8:59:59 AM
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It's Gordan's fault that Ed went down the path that he did.
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 9:03:25 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I'd say that's mostly fair for Barbara though you could argue it was the serial killer who messed her up. Not Jerome though. He killed his mom because he was crazy, not the other way around.

Also, fair warning. Gotham is pretty good, but it is one of the stupidest shows I've ever watched.
I'm fine with stupid so long as the people act like people

The stuff with Bruce/Barbara is just dumb because no one acts like human beings

Fish/Dollmaker and Penguin/Riddler too but at least their shit made up for it being entertaining

I can't for the life me wrap my head around why they keep inserting tadpole Bruce Wayne into the story . Boring and nonsensical and destroys the pace

Just boot his ass to boarding school, kill Barbara then focus on the actual interesting characters

I mean we haven't even seen Mad Hatter yet and he's tailor made for this show. But we get 9 hours of Bruce agnsting about puberty in his mansion and talking like M Night Shyamalan wrote his dialogue while taking inspiration from Hideo Kojima

I dun like it

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 9:05:10 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm fine with stupid so long as the people act like people
Then you'll probably hate Gotham lmao

UnfairRepresent posted...
Fish/Dollmaker and Penguin/Riddler too but at least their shit made up for it being entertaining
Well, maybe not. It definitely goes way more in this direction of stupid.

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harley2280
12/16/20 9:09:43 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Also, fair warning. Gotham is pretty good, but it is one of the stupidest shows I've ever watched.

This is such a fantastic description of the show. It's fucking insane and entertaining, but God does it get stupid sometimes.
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 9:11:47 AM
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harley2280 posted...
This is such a fantastic description of the show. It's fucking insane and entertaining, but God does it get stupid sometimes.
is it as bad as Dexter?

Angel Batista already turned up.

There's no one as bad as DeX's gross sister tho so far

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 9:14:49 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
is it as bad as Dexter?
No, not even close. It might sound like I'm hating on the show, but the worst parts of it are when it isn't stupid. It's when they get downright dumb that it really shines.

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harley2280
12/16/20 9:18:25 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
harley2280 posted...
This is such a fantastic description of the show. It's fucking insane and entertaining, but God does it get stupid sometimes.
is it as bad as Dexter?

Angel Batista already turned up.

There's no one as bad as DeX's gross sister tho so far

No it never gets as bad as the last few seasons of Dexter. Like Pegasus said the stupidness of it is really part of the charm.
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 11:07:04 AM
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No, not even close. It might sound like I'm hating on the show, but the worst parts of it are when it isn't stupid. It's when they get downright dumb that it really shines.
I dunno

Barbara's entire for lack of a better word "Arc" was downright dumb and boring as fuck.

Also fucking weird that Gordon ends up literally naming his daughter after this dumb crazy psycho murdering drama queen hag bitch.

Would be like if Batman named his son Joker.

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Machete
12/16/20 1:15:25 PM
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No spoilers about the character, but Mad Hatter will show up. I believe he is introduced in early season 3.
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Zanzenburger
12/16/20 1:47:55 PM
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Yeah, most Batman baddies show up at some point, to varying levels of greatness.

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Tenlaar
12/16/20 2:07:53 PM
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Gotham is definitely one of those dumb but ends up more entertaining than it should be shows, but it never had anything bad enough to actually make me a little mad like The Flash has on several occasions. Freezing lasers? Freezing fucking laser beams and knocking them out of the air and now there's no more laser grid? Fuck you, The Flash.
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 3:59:12 PM
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Machete posted...
No spoilers about the character, but Mad Hatter will show up. I believe he is introduced in early season 3.
that sounds like a spoiler to me

but I'm not surprised he's made for this show

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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 5:54:09 PM
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Spin City Guy on the stand: "I lied, Penguin kidnapped me not Galavan."

Judge: "Ok then, I'm gonna make my verdict right now. You're free. Case dismissed. You can all go home now."

....

https://youtu.be/0N90D68_NfQ

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Darmik
12/16/20 5:57:25 PM
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What happens to characters like Barbara is so batshit ridiculous I can't help but love it.

Like the show starts her off as a typical wet rag love interest and she becomes a psycho after she gets kidnapped by a serial killer. It's great. She just gets better as the show goes on.

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TheRealDill2000
12/16/20 6:06:14 PM
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The main villain of this season is the best of the entire series. It is just unfortunate that the character does not get a clear conclusion to his arc.
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 6:22:31 PM
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TheRealDill2000 posted...
The main villain of this season is the best of the entire series
Wut

He's literally worse than Penguin/Falcone/Maroni

He's super cliche "I wanna take over the city and kill Bruce Wayne because my ancestors were pooped on so let's do evilness"

Gordan, Riddler and Penguin are saving the show at this point

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 6:25:11 PM
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Aside from being a Trumper, RealDill's gimmick is to have terrible tastes in TV shows. That's actually where I saw him first.

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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 6:26:19 PM
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Alfed, Gordan, Penguin and one of Penguin's mates is a weird ass strike team

I kinda like it

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TheRealDill2000
12/16/20 6:26:24 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
The main villain of this season is the best of the entire series
Wut

He's literally worse than Penguin/Falcone/Maroni

He's super cliche "I wanna take over the city and kill Bruce Wayne because my ancestors were pooped on so let's do evilness"

Gordan, Riddler and Penguin are saving the show at this point

Your opinion is in the minority for GFAQs. When this season was airing, he was highly praised on the TV board.
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Darmik
12/16/20 6:28:22 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Alfed, Gordan, Penguin and one of Penguin's mates is a weird ass strike team

I kinda like it

This is why the show is entertaining really. Watching a bunch of weirdos constantly having to deal and tolerate each other. It's just so bonkers at points. I don't even really know how I would describe the relationship between Gordon and Penguin.

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 6:29:22 PM
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Darmik posted...
This is why the show is entertaining really. Watching a bunch of weirdos constantly having to deal and tolerate each other. It's just so bonkers at points. I don't even really know how I would describe the relationship between Gordon and Penguin.
Frenemies

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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 6:36:50 PM
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Darmik posted...
This is why the show is entertaining really. Watching a bunch of weirdos constantly having to deal and tolerate each other. It's just so bonkers at points. I don't even really know how I would describe the relationship between Gordon and Penguin.
Intense sexual frustration

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Tenlaar
12/16/20 6:39:30 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Intense sexual frustration
Wrong Penguin relationship for that...
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 8:31:59 PM
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Joe Chill > Matches Malone

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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 8:42:53 PM
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"I know you murdered a lot of people, like a lot... And were the Kingpin of crime but after 2 months of therapy I declare you sane for the lulz to see what happens."

"Should we tell the police at least?"

"Nah, now let's go ressurect all the villains who died"

Dr Strange is a walking plot device it seems

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 8:44:53 PM
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Dr. Strange might be my favorite character because he just doesn't give a shit.

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Tenlaar
12/16/20 8:48:29 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Dr. Strange might be my favorite character because he just doesn't give a shit.
He's great, and of course B.D. Wong plays him so well. I love how he's constantly just bouncing between all the villain plans like "oh, well, I suppose that crazy thing is done and it's on to this new crazy thing now."
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UnfairRepresent
12/16/20 8:50:12 PM
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I'm still kinda lost on Galavan's plan.

His ancesters were pooped on by the Waynes so he joined a cult that worships pain

Became a billionaire somehow, came to Gotham, planned to become Mayor through a circuitous scheme of training a bunch of lunatics to kill people, then kill them, then kill the other mayor candidates, then as mayor take over Wayne Enterprises, knock down a bunch of buildings, murder 9 people in ritualistic ways..

And that'll fix everything somehow... and make Gotham better

Also he is a badass fighter

I mean his sister seemed totally anti-thetical to the cult's beliefs. She loved sex and poessessions and felt pain.

And why were they obsessed with Jim Gordan he seemed irrelevant to their weird plans.

At least Falcone and Maroni and Penguin had understandable plans and motivations.

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pegusus123456
12/16/20 8:53:46 PM
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It might also be that he's kind of the catalyst for the show going off the deep end. When he starts the evil cackling about bringing dead people back to life, that's when you know Gotham stopped trying to be about Gordon taking out mob bosses.

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Zanzenburger
12/16/20 9:56:46 PM
#35:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Alfed, Gordan, Penguin and one of Penguin's mates is a weird ass strike team

I kinda like it
The team ups are the show's strengths. They start coming up with some bizarre team combinations in later seasons that you just can't help but enjoy.

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UnfairRepresent
12/17/20 8:38:19 AM
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Zanzenburger posted...
BTW, I remember you saying you hated Barbara. Has your opinion on her changed between seasons?
No she sucks and is boring

Wish she would go away forever

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UnfairRepresent
12/18/20 8:06:01 PM
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Wtf is even going on...

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pegusus123456
12/19/20 12:34:15 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Wtf is even going on...
Yeah, this feeling is going to last most of the rest of the show.

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UnfairRepresent
12/19/20 2:58:46 PM
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Penguin just poisoned an innocent dog for no reason

Fuck him.

Hope he dies now

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UnfairRepresent
12/19/20 4:17:37 PM
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"let's just send this crazy lunatic outside for no reason and see what happens." ~ Dr Strange's answer to everything

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iPhone_7
12/19/20 4:26:58 PM
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I liked the show but it had a lot of dumb moments. At times it felt like a CW show. I

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UnfairRepresent
12/19/20 4:33:22 PM
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I hope "every villain is just Dr Strange reading a dude books." isn't really going to be a thing

That would be really really really really lame.

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UnfairRepresent
12/19/20 7:17:58 PM
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Riddler and penguin talk like an old married couple who don't have sex anymore

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BilalPowell
12/19/20 7:22:38 PM
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Most of the characters you want to root for and against at the same time in Gotham. Except you always have to root for the Batman protagonists.

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lilORANG
12/19/20 7:26:11 PM
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I remember season 1 Barbara literally did nothing except wait around at Gordon's home for him to get off work. The actress must have complained that she wasn't getting anything to do bc they changed her up a lot.
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HagenEx
12/19/20 7:27:12 PM
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Darmik posted...
She just gets better as the show goes on.

Except for her haircut.

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TheRealDill2000
12/19/20 7:59:14 PM
#47:


lilORANG posted...
I remember season 1 Barbara literally did nothing except wait around at Gordon's home for him to get off work. The actress must have complained that she wasn't getting anything to do bc they changed her up a lot.

...and ruined the character in the process
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UnfairRepresent
12/20/20 1:13:40 PM
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Penguin: "Gotham doesn't listen to the GCPD! IT LISTENS TO ME!"

https://youtu.be/riKAY6ksaAQ

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Hornswoggled
12/20/20 1:20:15 PM
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Remember in the first episode when Penguin killed a guy for a sandwich?
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Hornswoggled
12/20/20 1:25:17 PM
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I could make a list of various plot threads that never get resolved in this show.
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