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PoundGarden posted...

100%. Thy have 3, 2 in a cage and the one on the chain that attacked us (it's gone now). They never play with them and just leave them outside to protect their piece of shit falling down boarded up windows house (because that's indicitave of fabulous riches inside right? Fuckkng idiots).

To your point I have known perfectly sweet pits. However, a pit snapping and attacking is a much bigger deal than say a Jack Russel attacking. When it happens it's always BAD, nobody gets "nipped" by a fucking pit. They get full on attacked, and that's the problem, the monsters go all out 100%

yeah and why the fuck would you compare it to a jack russel snapping and attacking? maybe compare it to a German Shepherd or a Great Dane or a Rott, not a dog 1/4 the size

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Jesus.

Some of you really have issues.

Also that statistical evidence doesn't exist the way you claim it does, is skewed by frequent misidentification, and there also exists statistics regarding how loyal and people friendly pits are so....

Misidentification is something a random asshole does on the internet. It is not something done by professionals who makes a living off studying animal cruelty.

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MutantJohn posted...

You can sue someone all you'd like but it doesn't mean you're actually gonna get a quarter mil.

Judging by the description, this dude ain't got 250k just lying around. You're probably never gonna see that money, homie.

Actually I touched base with my attorney Tues. They've been ignoring the certified letters but my lawyer found they do own the home with a mortgage. As depressing as mortgaging a literal hovel is, the good thing is it HAS to be insured. So we are suing their homeowners insurance (who will also tell him they will not insure him if he owns dogs so the other two are on the chopping block already) they've got money.

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thronedfire2 posted...

yeah and why the fuck would you compare it to a jack russel snapping and attacking? maybe compare it to a German Shepherd or a Great Dane or a Rott, not a dog 1/4 the size

Rotts are the second most dangerous breed and still only have about 10% the fatality rate of pit bulls.

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is the pitbull hate some esoteric way of trying to be racist towards black people? it's really weird lol

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PoundGarden posted...

It was 100% a pitbull, zero doubt, as are the remaining two they have. Had to have been 80 lbs, my bull terrier is 60 and this thing was much larger than him

Bully breed mutt or some kind of American Bully. Purebred APBTs are between 30-60lbs, a 60lb Pit Bull is a big one.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Rotts are the second most dangerous breed and still only have about 10% the fatality rate of pit bulls.

yes and how many Rotts are there compared Pits

I know one person with two Rottweilers and I know about 20 people with pitbulls who have never attacked anyone. I know one girl with 3 pit mixes and three young children, and those dogs would cuddle with her newborns

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CanuckCowboy posted...

I've been attacked by a German shepherd that was the meanest dog I ever knew.

Not sure how being attacked by a dog makes you more knowledgeable about dogs.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. Being attacked by a dog is terrifying.

It doesn't mean anything you're saying is correct.

What part of "fuck off" are you struggling with? You clearly just want to fight, have your opinion and nothing of value to offer me, I have no use for or interest in your bullshit.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

is the pitbull hate some esoteric way of trying to be racist towards black people? it's really weird lol

what's really weird is coming out of nowhere saying shit like that tbh

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https://www.beaconjournal.com/news/20190522/which-dogs-have-most-damaging-bites-study-reveals-riskiest-breeds

The study was released this week and published in the International Journal of Pediatric Otorhinolaryngology.

Researchers reviewed 15 years of dog-related facial trauma cases from Nationwide Childrens Hospital and the University of Virginia Health System. They studied wound size, tissue tearing, bone fractures and other injuries severe enough to require consultation by a reconstructive surgeon and created a damage severity scale.

They also examined previous dog bite research dating to 1970.

Theres an estimated 83 million owned dogs in the United States and that number continues to climb, Dr. Garth Essig, lead author and otolaryngologist at the Wexner Medical Center, said in a prepared statement. We wanted to provide families with data to help them determine the risk to their children and inform them on which types of dogs do well in households with kids.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 4.7 million people in the United States are bitten by dogs each year, and 20 percent of the victims require medical care. Those who require treatment are mostly children ages 5 to 9 years.

Denial

Dr. Ananth Murthy, director of pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery at Akron Childrens Hospital, said surgeons there see many severe dog bite cases each year, with most of those bites coming from pit bulls.

So far this year, 12 patients have been admitted to the hospital because of dog bites. Akron Childrens has averaged 28 patients being admitted for dog bites from 2014 through 2018.

Murthy was not surprised by the results of the Ohio State study.

This is an open secret, he said. Its always pit bulls but the problem is there are a number of people who own pit bulls and they are in permanent denial. ... They just are. They are just not looking at all the numbers or theyre not exposed to it. They are just not seeing what were seeing. Were the ones dealing with the aftermath. Everybody in the medical community [is] saying that pit bulls are a problem.

While all dogs bite, pit bull bites are more severe because of the dogs strength and how its jaws clamp down, he said.

The danger is more pronounced for children whose faces are often on the same level as pit bulls and can be perceived as a threat, Murthy said. The dogs sometimes will attack a childs head and neck, he said.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Bully breed mutt or some kind of American Bully. Purebred APBTs are between 30-60lbs, a 60lb Pit Bull is a big one.

They absolutely can get that big and bigger. It's a pit, confirmed by the owner, vet records, and city license.

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some people are stupid about dogs

ive seen litle children raising their hands up by doing rapid movements while walking toward dogs they never seen before in front of their parents and they dont do anything to stop them

those are 3 or 4 year olds pretty much trying to pick a fight with a dog in front of their parents and just they let them put themselves in danger

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viewmaster_pi posted...

what's really weird is coming out of nowhere saying shit like that tbh

the rhetoric and misuse of statistics is identical is what i mean

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What's the race thing why do people keep bringing up black people

PoundGarden posted...

They absolutely can get that big and bigger. It's a pit, confirmed by the owner, vet records, and city license.

Sorry, the breed standard for an American Pit Bull Terrier is between 30-60 lbs, most fall around 45 lbs. There are a lot of people that don't know what they have and just say "Pit Bull" when most of these dogs are bull breed mixes and American Bullies. There is a lot of "paper hanging" going on. There are some XL Bullies that are as large as mastiffs, they usually use Cane Corsos to cross with bull breeds get that size.

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Socrawheeze posted...

What's the race thing why do people keep bringing up black people

Pitbull apologists testing to handwave and rationalize the legit and well earned stigma against their little monsters as racism.

The whitest, trashiest fuckers o mothers I've ever known have had pits. More than my minority friends and acquaintances now that I think about it.

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"Sorry, but while having no actual information myself I am confident in saying that I know more about this than the vet."

thronedfire2 posted...

yes and how many Rotts are there compared Pits

I know one person with two Rottweilers and I know about 20 people with pitbulls who have never attacked anyone. I know one girl with 3 pit mixes and three young children, and those dogs would cuddle with her newborns

This is the only credible statistic I could find and it's from 2016 and not really scientific or regulated (we just don't include dogs in the census) but at the time they found 4.9% of people owned a pit bull and 2.4% owned a rott.

Meaning you should encounter on average one rott for every 2 pitbulls. If Rotts had the same level of aggression as pitbulls, they would be closer to 50% dog related fatalities (relative to pits)



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Taharqa_ posted...

Sorry, the breed standard for an American Pit Bull Terrier is between 30-60 lbs, most fall around 45 lbs. There are a lot of people that don't know what they have and just say "Pit Bull" when most of these dogs are bull breed mixes and American Bullies. There is a lot of "paper hanging" going on. There are some XL Bullies that are as large as mastiffs, they usually use Cane Corsos to cross with bull breeds get that size.

Fascinating. My dog is 60lbs, this thing was easily 25% larger than him. AGAIN, the owner himself, vet records, and license ALL state this thing as an American Pitbull Terrier.

You really trying to die on his hill over a few pounds? Pretty sure inteust the other three sources over some rando on gfaqs who wasnt even there

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It's like people's brains stop working whenever comparing different dog breeds. Pitbulls are incredibly cheaper than rottweilers or any medium to large dog really. You can get a pitbull for less than $200, or even free half the time. If you could get German Shephards for free and pitbulls were $1k+ instead those statistics would flip very quickly.
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https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/LiteratureReviews/Pages/The-Role-of-Breed-in-Dog-Bite-Risk-and-Prevention.aspx

when it comes to fatalities caused by pit bulls, the breed identifications are often not accurate. - Centre for Disease Control.

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726

in over 80 percent of those cases there were four or more significant factors related to the care and control of the dog. - Centre for Disease Control.

There are many dog types that are more aggressive than pit bulls.

https://atts.org/

In yearly tests of over 240 dog breeds by the American Temperament Testing Society (ATTS), pit bull type dogs consistently achieve a passing rate that's as good or better than the other most popular breeds. In the ATTS test, a dog is put through a series of confrontational situations. Any sign of panic or unprovoked aggression leads to failure of the test.

https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/literature-reviews/dog-bite-risk-and-prevention-role-breed

Pit Bull Types
Owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma,44 however controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The pit bull type is particularly ambiguous as a "breed" encompassing a range of pedigree breeds, informal types and appearances that cannot be reliably identified. Visual determination of dog breed is known to not always be reliable.45 And witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is of this type.
It should also be considered that the incidence of pit bull-type dogs' involvement in severe and fatal attacks may represent high prevalence in neighborhoods that present high risk to the young children who are the most common victim of severe or fatal attacks. And as owners of stigmatized breeds are more likely to have involvement in criminal and/or violent acts46breed correlations may have the owner's behavior as the underlying causal factor.

https://spca.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/A_MacNeil-Allcock_-_Aggression__behaviour_and_animal_care_among_pit_bulls.pdf

The study provided no evidence of greater aggression or poorer care among adopted pit bulls compared to dogs of other breeds.

https://www.livescience.com/27145-are-pit-bulls-dangerous.html

there's considerable evidence that owners of pit bulls and other high-risk dogs are themselves high-risk people.
A 2006 study from the Journal of Interpersonal Violence revealed that owners of vicious dogswere significantly more likely to have criminal convictions for aggressive crimes, drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, crimes involving children and firearms.
These findings were confirmed in a 2009 report published in the Journal of Forensic Sciences. The authors of that report wrote, "Vicious dog owners reported significantly more criminal behaviors than other dog owners," and they were ranked "higher in sensation seeking and primary psychopathy."
And a 2011 study, also in the Journal of Forensic Sciences, found that "vicious dog owners reported significantly higher criminal thinking, entitlement, sentimentality and super-optimism tendencies. Vicious dog owners were arrested, engaged in physical fights, and used marijuana significantly more than other dog owners."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24299544/

Pitbulls are no more likely to be aggressive than the average dog, and are erroneously reported as being the the dog that bit someone a third of the time.


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Smashingpmkns posted...

It's like people's brains stop working whenever comparing different dog breeds. Pitbulls are incredibly cheaper than rottweilers or any medium to large dog really. You can get a pitbull for less than $200, or even free half the time. If you could get German Shephards for free and pitbulls were $1k+ instead those statistics would flip very quickly.

Great point! Folks, there's a reason it's so easy and cheap to find a pit and that thy are the #1 surrendered dog breed. And it ain't fucking "racism" lmao

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Smashingpmkns posted...

It's like people's brains stop working whenever comparing different dog breeds. Pitbulls are incredibly cheaper than rottweilers or any medium to large dog really. You can get a pitbull for less than $200, or even free half the time. If you could get German Shephards for free and pitbulls were $1k+ instead those statistics would flip very quickly.

Dogs with twice the population of pits commit 1% of the violence pits do. You would need an out of control horde of feral retrievers to come even close to what put bulls have.

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PoundGarden posted...

Fascinating. My dog is 60lbs, this thing was easily 25% larger than him. AGAIN, the owner himself, vet records, and license ALL state this thing as an American Pitbull Terrier.

You really trying to die on his hill over a few pounds? Pretty sure inteust the other three sources over some rando on gfaqs who wasnt even there

Dude, I'm just saying that it's likely a mutt or an American Bully. I have a lot of experience with bull breeds and can generally tell what is a Pit Bull and what is not. Most of these man biting curs are bull breed mutts, if it's 25 percent larger than your 60 lb dog then it is very likely that it's not an APBT. Again, most people don't have an idea of what they really have and just say "Pit Bull".

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MutantJohn posted...

Yeah, most pit bull hate is thinly-veiled racism.

"How Sway?!"

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seankimberley42 posted...

There are many dog types that are more aggressive than pit bulls.

Really can't think of a more trustworthy and unbiased source than pitbullinfo.org

You should do research first and then come to conclusions instead of trying to find evidence that supports your preexisting feelings.

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Pitbull apologists bringing up this weird racism shit, are probably the actual racists...

All the facts and evidence posted in this topic and they STILL act like fragile little children over their precious pits. Not to mention any science/stats posted is pushed aside as "conservative bias" LOL.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Really can't think of a more trustworthy and unbiased source than pitbullinfo.org

You should do research first and then come to conclusions instead of trying to find evidence that supports your preexisting feelings.

Good job ignoring the CDC, the ASPCA and the fucking Obama administration then. FFS.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Dude, I'm just saying that it's likely a mutt or an American Bully. I have a lot of experience with bull breeds and can generally tell what is a Pit Bull and what is not. Most of these man biting curs are bull breed mutts, if it's 25 percent larger than your 60 lb dog then it is very likely that it's not an APBT. Again, most people don't have an idea of what they really have and just say "Pit Bull".

Holy shit dude: what part of vet records, owner (he has papers), and the liscence stating it is an APBT aren't you getting? I've seen pits before, had friends and family with them. There is ZERO doubt in anyone's mind who was actually involved that this thing was a purebred APBT and a paper trail to support that. Like people, some individuals just get really big.

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seankimberley42 posted...

Pitbulls are no more likely to be aggressive than the average dog

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/06/03/local-rescue-group-takes-issue-osu-bite-risk-study/3765172002/
The study looked at breed, size and head structure and examined 15 years of emergency room visits for facial dog bites at two emergency departments and more than 45 years of data from different dog bite studies.

They found that injuries from pit bulls were both the most frequent and most severe, followed by mixed-breed dogs and German shepherds.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Dogs with twice the population of pits commit 1% of the violence pits do. You would need an out of control horde of feral retrievers to come even close to what put bulls have.

This isn't a counter argument to what I said.
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voldothegr8 posted...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/06/03/local-rescue-group-takes-issue-osu-bite-risk-study/3765172002/
The study looked at breed, size and head structure and examined 15 years of emergency room visits for facial dog bites at two emergency departments and more than 45 years of data from different dog bite studies.

They found that injuries from pit bulls were both the most frequent and most severe, followed by mixed-breed dogs and German shepherds.

Bolded is the part pit apologists struggle with. Think of it this way:
Any gun can shoot you, sure, but given the choice would you rather take a .22 or a 12g slug?

Whether pits attack more or not is irrelevant, the fact is when they do thy cause horrific injuries

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PoundGarden posted...

Holy shit dude: what part of vet records, owner (he has papers), and the liscence stating it is an APBT aren't you getting? I've seen pits before, had friends and family with them. There is ZERO doubt in anyone's mind who was actually involved that this thing was a purebred APBT and a paper trail to support that. Like people, some individuals just get really big.

Look I'm not calling you a liar. ALL that I'm saying is that papers get hung all the time and breeders can falsify documents, this is especially common when it comes to bull breeds.

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@voldothegr8

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/LiteratureReviews/Pages/The-Role-of-Breed-in-Dog-Bite-Risk-and-Prevention.aspx

when it comes to fatalities caused by pit bulls, the breed identifications are often not accurate. - Centre for Disease Control.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Look I'm not calling you a liar. ALL that I'm saying is that papers get hung all the time and breeders can falsify documents, this is especially common when it comes to bull breeds.

All you're doing is continuing to insist that you actually know the truth about the situation.

Taharqa_ posted...

Look I'm not calling you a liar. ALL that I'm saying is that papers get hung all the time and breeders can falsify documents, this is especially common when it comes to bull breeds.

Fair enough, yes it technically is possible, but I'm done arguing it. There is no doubt in anybodies mind who was there or involved that this thing was an APBT. There is literally not a shred of evidence to support otherwise, if it was a mix, no features or traits of the other breed are visible.

I get that you want to defend them, I do. Before my attack I'd have been right there with you. But look at yourself, oure literally down to "well the documents could have been falsified!" to defend/rationalize the dog breed that tried to kill my dog and I. Come on dude, think about that for a second. Is it that important to you that the dof wasnt a pit that you're stretching that far and essentially telling me I (and everyone else who's seen it) dont know what I'm talking about or dont know a purebred pit when I see one.

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I would just like to point out those Pitbull death numbers are statistical inconsenquential. Like, sub-50 deaths per year is nothing. Here are some things that are deadlier than Pitbulls for context.

Horses! Around 100 deaths per year. Ban horses!

Bicycles! 1,000 bicycle deaths per year, and hundreds of thousands of injuries. Ban bicycles!

Trees! Over 100 tree falling and landscaping related deaths per year! Ban trees!

Beds! Nearly 20,000 deaths per year involving falling or strangulation in beds. Ban beds!

The fact of the matter is that fearing Pitbulls in general is entirely irrational. You, the person reading the post, yes you, face VASTLY, nearly INCOMPREHENSIVELY more dangerous things on a daily basis than fucking Pitbulls--Like traffic! What you are arguing is, instead, a willful fear of something. You want to bolster your fear of this thing becauze it gives you an excuse to lable something as evil or bad. This helps give you a sense of control over an otherwise terrifying world. Pitbulls are CREATURES with their own WILL, but if we work together to get rid of them, we can make our world SAFER. It does not, however, make you any safer in any statistical significant way. It is the same behavior of medieval peasants inventing witches to prosecute.

These arguments against pitbulls never come from rational conclusions. They are irrational fears that reach for scraps of evidence to justify their own cowardice or insecurity.

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PoundGarden posted...

Great point! Folks, there's a reason it's so easy and cheap to find a pit and that thy are the #1 surrendered dog breed. And it ain't fucking "racism" lmao

Maybe not racism but classism definitely has a huge play in it.
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Beds! Nearly 20,000 deaths per year involving falling or strangulation in beds. Ban beds!

Huh. How does this go down?

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seankimberley42 posted...

@voldothegr8

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/LiteratureReviews/Pages/The-Role-of-Breed-in-Dog-Bite-Risk-and-Prevention.aspx

The massive OSU study didn't focus on fatalities, it focused on severity of damage and after 15 years came to the conclusion that pit bulls cause the most damage and bite the most frequently. It's really can't be refuted.

http://osuwmc.multimedia-newsroom.com/index.php/2019/05/22/study-looks-beyond-breed-to-assess-dog-bite-risk-to-children/

Nearly five million people are bitten by dogs each year in the United States, and children are at a much higher risk than adults. Dog bites can cause significant psychological and physical damage, and bites to the face often require reconstructive surgery to repair injuries ranging from nerve damage to tissue loss. While certain breeds are known to bite more frequently or cause more severe injuries, a new study finds the breed was unknown in about 60 percent of dog bite cases. Therefore, researchers looked beyond breed to examine physical characteristics of dogs that pose a higher threat.

Because we often didnt know what type of dog was involved in these incidents, we looked at things like weight and head shape, said Dr. Garth Essig, an otolaryngologist at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center and lead author of the study. We wanted to provide families with data to help them determine the risk to their children and inform them on which types of dogs do well in households with kids.

Researchers examined 15 years of emergency room visits for facial dog bites at two emergency departments and more than 45 years of data from different dog bite studies. They found that injuries from pitbulls were both the most frequent and most severe, followed by mixed-breed dogs and German shepherds. When the study examined physical characteristics, experts found that dogs over 66 pounds and those with more of a square head shape that is wider than it is long, like that of a chow chow or pug, were more likely to bite and cause serious damage.

To lower childrens risk of being bitten, its important to teach them how to safely interact with dogs. People often think that leaning forward and reaching out their hand for the dog to smell is the right thing to do, but in reality that can actually be threatening to the dog, said Meghan Herron, associate professor of veterinary clinical services at The Ohio State University College of Veterinary Medicine. Instead, ask the dog owner for permission to pet their dog, then turn to the side, crouch down on your knees, pat your leg and let the dog come to you.

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PoundGarden posted...

Fair enough, yes it technically is possible, but I'm done arguing it. There is no doubt in anybodies mind who was there or involved that this thing was an APBT. There is literally not a shred of evidence to support otherwise, if it was a mix, no features or traits of the other breed are visible.

I get that you want to defend them, I do. Before my attack I'd have been right there with you. But look at yourself, oure literally down to "well the documents could have been falsified!" to defend/rationalize the dog breed that tried to kill my dog and I. Come on dude, think about that for a second. Is it that important to you that the dof wasnt a pit that you're stretching that far and essentially telling me I (and everyone else who's seen it) dont know what I'm talking about or dont know a purebred pit when I see one.

I'm not going to continue with the back and forth either. It's just when I saw 85 lbs my mind immediately went to bull breed mix or American Bully type. You generally don't see American Pit Bull Terriers that are much bigger than 50 lbs, 60 is sometimes considered large. Most of the time I've dealt with dogs north of 70 lbs it's either a bull breed mix or an American Bully or an XL Bully when they get over 100 lbs.

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voldothegr8 posted...

The massive OSU study didn't focus on fatalities, it focused on severity of damage and after 15 years came to the conclusion that pit bulls cause the most damage and bite the most frequently. It's really can't be refuted.

this;

when it comes to...pit bulls the breed identifications are often not accurate.

is the relevant part. You need more proof?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24299544/

Pitbulls are no more likely to be aggressive than the average dog, and are erroneously reported as being the the dog that bit someone a third of the time.

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People on here seemingly defending pit bulls while simultaneously drawing an absolutely direct correlation between pit bulls and the races of their owners - give some statistics and some actual empirical data to back up your staggering generalizations.

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gtfo with that published scientific paper from a credible website

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My pitbull use to get out all the time. Good times. It was annoying getting the blood out his fur tho.

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The issue I have is "pitbulls dangerous" seems to be based on erroneous non-controlled studies that based their numbers on self-reported data which isn't reliable since most people can't accurately determine dog breeds, particularly ones they don't own.

I noted the race thing because IQ stats are often argued using similarly bunk foundations

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Maybe not racism but classism definitely has a huge play in it.

I think that's more accurate and can agree to that.

Taharqa_ posted...

I'm not going to continue with the back and forth either. It's just when I saw 85 lbs my mind immediately went to bull breed mix or American Bully type. You generally don't see American Pit Bull Terriers that are much bigger than 50 lbs, 60 is sometimes considered large. Most of the time I've dealt with dogs north of 70 lbs it's either a bull breed mix or an American Bully or an XL Bully when they get over 100 lbs.

Cool. I feel like you should know dog weight can vary considerably in any breed upwards of 50% +- the target weight due to a variety of factors (genetics, food, exercise, random mutation) then. I've seen black labs that weighed 60 and black labs that weigh 100 lbs. Pits that were 35 and pits pushing 100 (just look up Hulk. A mutation but the point stands). You sound like an educated man, I dont know why you seem to be pushing this narrative that theres a cutoff weight for pitbulls

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Correlating the race of the owner and the pitbull breed isn't my argument and never would be tbh, but the rhetoric against pitbulls itt is eerily similar to the rhetoric racists would use to paint a person's race as inherently violent and some of you aren't seeing that.
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