Current Events > About to play Danganronpa for the first time.

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's just wasted IIRC.

About to start the fourth class trial. I'm assuming that best girl Hina has been naughty and needs to get punished :(

Which would kind of suck cause her and Togami are the only remaining characters I like
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That one's interesting.

Garioshi posted...

He has 1 personalty trait and that's it, he's a terrible character

Eh, I don't think there's nothing inherently wrong with being one-dimensional, provided a character is likeable/redeeming.
Not every character needs to have complex personalities with super deep backstories and mental dynamics that you can write a psych thesis on. Especially when you're working with an ensemble cast. You need variety.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

When you max out a character's social link does it give you an indicating of such when you try to spend time with them, or is it just wasted?

I don't know if you've maxed one already, but when you do complete a character's FTEs it shows a star icon on their student profile. And because of the weird way FTEs are handled in this game you can unintentionally spoil yourself on certain character deaths, like how the characters who die in chapter 1 all only have 2-3 FTEs each.
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I'm not seeing any stars so I guess I'm not there yet.

"A deadly judgment, a deadly deception, a deadly betrayal, a deadly riddle, a deadly defense, a deadly faith, a deathly... class trial!"

This sounds like a serious case of poorly translated anime nonsense.

I love it.
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It's also possible that you were sometimes trying to hang out with characters who weren't emotionally available. Like, Chihiro was depressed at the start of chapter 2, Byakuya would've refused to hang out because he was busy investigating the library, Kiyotaka's FTEs stopped being available during chapter 3 because he was depressed about Mondo, and then too busy losing his shit as "Kiyondo", etc. Another example is that Toko's FTEs can only be advanced while she's actually Toko, and Genocide Jack has her own FTEs that only become available after maxing Toko. Basically characters aren't always able to be advanced because of story reasons, and not even necessarily because they died.
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I stupidly spoiled myself.

Doing and failing a bullet time battle in trial 4 and I wanted to look up if there was some way to make them less fucking stupid (I really hate this mechanic), some sort of mental way to understand the rhythm or how to use my fever time or whatever it was called.

One of the suggested videos I scrolled past was called Junko Enoshima Bullet Time Battle

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Also the tutorial narrator flat out said I'm halfway through the game. How is this only the halfway point? We'll be five people left after this trial. Actually I kind of wonder. You can't have a trial with less than three people (and honestly only three people sounds boring too), so what's gonna happen when we're just two left? Some sort of final duel?
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I wouldn't know anything about Bullet Time Battles being difficult because I had Celeste and Aoi maxed by chapter 4, they give you really helpful skills for those. Hifumi also gives you a useful skill for them, but I didn't bother with him during the main game. Do you have Melodious Voice equipped? I would equip that and an Influence/Focus increasing skill if you have any. Get in the habit of tapping Fever Time whenever you're out of ammo and you need a quick refill. You also don't actually have to raise the tempo IIRC, if you can't keep a good rhythm and you just want to play it safe. It's entirely possible to avoid taking damage at all until the final Bullet Time Battle. Sucks that you got spoiled on that, this is why you don't look things up in story driven games. :C
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DeadBankerDream posted...

One of the suggested videos I scrolled past was called Junko Enoshima Bullet Time Battle

Oof. That was one of the cooler reveals...

Anyway, I tend to save my Fever Time for whenever they use theirs. I have no sense of rhythm, so as soon as the visibility goes away, I'm completely fucked otherwise.

It's all good dude. There's still some other big twists. Some good, some stupid lol.

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I dont understand exactly what using fever time when they use nega time does. It doesn't re-reveal the buttons. At least not all the time.
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Haven't played THH class trials in a while, but you mostly use it to keep the rhythm from dropping and for temporary infinite ammo. That's what I used it for mainly, I didn't even always wait for nega time.

Just a quick tip for when you get to DR2, get skills that increase Influence and Focus. The worst part of SDR2's trials is Improved Hangman's Gambit, some of the later ones can just overwhelm you out of nowhere.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

I dont understand exactly what using fever time when they use nega time does. It doesn't re-reveal the buttons. At least not all the time.

No, but you can just mash the buttons. It doesn't matter if you hit or miss.

The worst part of SDR2's trials is Improved Hangman's Gambit

""""Improved""""

Well I don't really intent to look up stuff for maximizing my gameplay on a first playthrough.

Azardea posted...

No, but you can just mash the buttons. It doesn't matter if you hit or miss.

Oh my lord, I'll keep that in mind.
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It's really weird to me that in the Japanese language version they keep referring to "dying message" in English. Like... that's not a proper term is it? Not a concept that would have come to Japan from the West? Surely they must have a Japanese language concept of it.

Edit: Finished the fourth class trial. What a downer mood. Such sadness :(
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Oh, have you been playing in Japanese? When you get to SDR2 you gotta switch to English at least for the first trial, one of the characters slips into a hilarious accent in the English dub.
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I dont get the problem with the bullet time battle, its a rhythm game, just press the buttons in tune with the beat

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DeadBankerDream posted...

God damnit game, stop killing people I like.

Now we can officially say welcome to Danganronpa.

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Garioshi posted...

He has 1 personalty trait and that's it, he's a terrible character

"Stop liking what I don't like!"

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Just started the fifth trial. Can someone please just fucking kill Yasuhiro? He's been dominating the "I fucking hate this character" tier list since Hifumi got offed.
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danganronpa is great imo, but i dont think the court cases are as good as they could be. with very few exceptions, the court cases just recap what you already know and have you apply what you learned during the investigation. its not like phoenix wright where you're winging it and learning as you go.
they are still hype though, and some of the danganronpa court cases are extremely well done

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Oh my god, Bullet Time Battles are so much easier with Asahina's ultimate skill. Thank Jesus.

Also, can we as a species please never use the term "Mouth down south" again?
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I'm calling fucking horseshit on the shafts of ten arrows bound together with duct take, be they titanium or otherwise, having the force to kill someone when used as blunt tool. I'm assuming the "body" in the case is actually Junko and thus there obviously is no murder being committed with the arrows, but even then the mere idea of entertaining this thought is absurd to me.

Also, I'm reeeeeeally having trouble with what exactly to do in some of these non-stop debates. Even if I know what I'm supposed to prove, which statement I'm supposed to throw the evidence at if two are entirely related to the issue seems to sometimes be arbitrary, and the amount of possible combinations that opens up when you can suck up statements as Truth bullets is quite large. It's a lot more complex than Ace Attorney trials, but it has nowhere near as much hinting as that does. And while the hinting isn't necessary most of the time in AA, it would be really nice here. Like, right now I'm supposed to show that Kyoko couldn't have placed the Dojo locker key in her room, because Togami has her room key, but none of the evidence I have flat out state that even though it's a known fact for everyone present, and I can't work out which combination of absorbed bullet to statement configuration would result in the "logical" conclusion of that being the case, and my character is just being "derp, better try again."

Okay I got it. Did I just hit an alternative ending/branching path point?

Well, that was quite an interesting chapter ending.
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Hagakure is one of the worst characters in the series.

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Since you missed the bad ending apparently, what happens is Kyoko is executed as the Blackened, and the remaining survivors give up on trying to escape and live out the rest of their lives in Hope's Peak Academy, and Yasuhiro, Makoto and Byakuya all banged Aoi apparently because she has 3 kids that look just like them.

And then it immediately snaps back to the choice of whether or not to pursue the lie because Makoto has an active imagination apparently.
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I did see it, actually.

The picture was terrifying.
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About the start what I assume is the final class trial. Excited to find out how everything fits together. Mukuro's physical info is identical to Junko's so I'm assuming there's some body switching involved somehow. No clue how the photo and video and weird shit comes into play. Very curious.

Also, I'm uncomfortable with the game referring to a couple of students getting killed as "the single worst event in human history". My brain basically interprets it as holocaust denial.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Also, I'm uncomfortable with the game referring to a couple of students getting killed as "the single worst event in human history". My brain basically interprets it as holocaust denial.

Two different (but very related) events. The students getting killed is "the worst event in Hope's Peaks' history" or something.

My favorite track has to be the "oh shit" theme, Mr. Monokuma's Tutoring:
https://youtu.be/zpkl30bTHhw

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Also, I'm uncomfortable with the game referring to a couple of students getting killed as "the single worst event in human history". My brain basically interprets it as holocaust denial.

It is very stupid

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Also, I'm uncomfortable with the game referring to a couple of students getting killed as "the single worst event in human history".

That's not what they're referring to. Keep playing.

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My mind is reeling.

Also, the last 45 minutes or so the gameplay has consisted of my pressing X to forward the cutscene.
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Garioshi posted...

It is very stupid

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Garioshi posted...

It is very stupid

No offense dude, but this kinda confirms you never beat the game...

dave_is_slick posted...

That's not what they're referring to. Keep playing.

This.

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LostForest posted...

No offense dude, but this kinda confirms you never beat the game...

What the fuck are you talking about

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Garioshi posted...

What the fuck are you talking about

The guy was mistaking one minor twist for a MUCH larger twist, and you agreed with him? Surely if you finished the game you would know that the worst event in human history wasn't just some kids dying

And I only bring it up since you've been super outspoken about how much you dislike the game which is kinda sus.

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Final confrontation was taking longer than expected and I needed some sleep. Let's finish this!

And yeah, I was obviously misunderstanding what the "tragedy" referred to. And I don't really think the game being post-apocalyptic is stupid.

Also, can I just say that the new world of hope that they wanted to create has no room for Ultimate clairvoyants and Ultimate Fanfiction writers? That is ridiculous.

I'm very curious how sequels are gonna play out based on this information. Seem like Junko would have to win and we lose?
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Oh (sss)she dead! Totally fucking dead!

I knew they weren't gonna actually show what was on the other side of the door. >_>

Well. I beat the game, I guess. Woo me!
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Yasuhiro is the one character who I actually hated more after doing his Free Time Events. At least with Hifumi I kinda just...pitied the guy. Sure, he's a massive weeb who actively sabotages his chances of ever having normal friendships, and he's a creepy perv, but at least he isn't actively malicious. Like, I can even play devil's advocate for him killing Taka, on the basis that Celeste was supposed to be the Queen of Liars, Taka was going off the deep end at that point, and Hifumi legitimately was led to believe he was getting revenge on behalf of Celeste. Still doesn't justify killing Taka, but I can at least understand why he did it. Hiro though...he's just kind of a scumbag. Literally tries to guilt trip Makoto into giving away his organs so he can pay off the Yakuza, and then gets mad at Makoto when he doesn't go along with it. Even Makoto's fed up with his bullshit by the end of his FTEs.
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Kircheis posted...

Still doesn't justify killing Taka

Doesn't she imply Taka straight up raped and blackmailed her? Not super upset about him killing Taka honestly, even if he's simping just a bit too hard. >_>

But yeah, fuck Hiro.

Yeah, she told Hiro that Taka raped her.

Whats this School Mode thing?
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Azardea posted...

Doesn't she imply Taka straight up raped and blackmailed her? Not super upset about him killing Taka honestly, even if he's simping just a bit too hard. >_>

But yeah, fuck Hiro.

Here's how I see that whole messy scenario: Taka was emulating Mondo at that point, and Mondo had a very strict code of honor when it came to hitting girls, that being don't fuckin' do it. Given how much Taka idolized Mondo, I find it highly unlikely that Taka would've insulted Mondo's memory by raping a woman, no matter how crazy he was. Hifumi, unfortunately for him, was too much of a gullible idiot to think critically about the situation, and then there'd also be the issue of him being executed with or without having to endure another class trial, which nobody except for Byakuya and arguably Kyoko (because she likes solving mysteries) actually enjoys. So I do think it's understandable why he so readily believed Celeste, but he really could have handled that situation better.

That's my take anyway, I haven't actually played THH in a while so it's not exactly fresh in my mind.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Whats this School Mode thing?

It's basically a what-if scenario where the killing game doesn't get to start so everyone has to build a variety of machines for Monokuma in order to get the ball rolling. It's basically a chance to finish up any FTEs you missed during the main story, and then get a variety of endings related to each character for beating it properly. It's a bit of a grind and you have to play it multiple times, so if you're not a super completionist then maybe don't worry about it too much.
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My ranking of the students based on my interaction with them on a first playthrough:

1. Togami
2. Asahina
3. Sakura
4. Chihiro
5. Kiyotaka
6. Sayaka
7. Mondo
8. Toko
9. Kyoko
10. Celeste
11. Genocide Jill
12. Kuwata
13. Hifumi
14. Yasuhiro

Not including Makoto, Junko/Mukuro.

Spent more time with some than others obviously, which affects how I feel about them. Like, I'd had like 5 lines of dialogue from Kuwata.

My feelings on the game is that it made it interested enough in its concept to want to continue the franchise, even if I wasn't incredibly in love with it. The characters were good and the dialogue was often great. The trial concept was... interesting. I didn't hate it, most of the time, but it seems to rely on a being flashly and over the top more so than a more deliberate experience I thoroughly enjoy. It has more depth in gameplay than Ace Attorney trials, but it seems to do so in service of that sense of flashiness rather than a more engaging experience. At least to me. By the fifth or final trial I was really missing Ace Attorney trials. They feel... more focused and immersive, I guess.

But yeah, I liked the game quite a bit and will definitely play the sequel. I'll start it later today, probably.

Also waaaat @ the post-credit cutscene >_>

Before going into the second game there are two, kind of spoilery things I know, or at least I think I know about it.

1) Kyoko is in it, as well as the third game, if not in every piece of Danganronpa media.
2) The main character (Komada?) dies.
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Kircheis posted...

Here's how I see that whole messy scenario: Taka was emulating Mondo at that point, and Mondo had a very strict code of honor when it came to hitting girls, that being don't fuckin' do it. Given how much Taka idolized Mondo, I find it highly unlikely that Taka would've insulted Mondo's memory by raping a woman, no matter how crazy he was. Hifumi, unfortunately for him, was too much of a gullible idiot to think critically about the situation, and then there'd also be the issue of him being executed with or without having to endure another class trial, which nobody except for Byakuya and arguably Kyoko (because she likes solving mysteries) actually enjoys. So I do think it's understandable why he so readily believed Celeste, but he really could have handled that situation better.

That's my take anyway, I haven't actually played THH in a while so it's not exactly fresh in my mind.

Yeah, I think you're pretty spot on. Like, morally I think he was justified in doing what he did (because fuck rapists), but yeah, he's a complete idiot.

Good to hear you liked it! Personally I liked the second game better in most regards, Hangman's Gambit is terrible in the 2 though.
Man did one of the cases in 2 destroy me, and I don't mean due to difficulty...

LostForest posted...

The guy was mistaking one minor twist for a MUCH larger twist, and you agreed with him? Surely if you finished the game you would know that the worst event in human history wasn't just some kids dying

And I only bring it up since you've been super outspoken about how much you dislike the game which is kinda sus.

2 things can be incredibly stupid simultaneously

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Glad you liked the first one, just remember that the first is often said to be the weakest of the main 3 games. IMO, 2 is a huge step up in every single way, and V3 is a smaller step up from 2. It's very rare to find someone who thinks 1 is better than 2 or V3, so it only gets better from here.

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