Current Events > Biden privately tells governors: Minimum wage hike likely isn't happening

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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:20:02 PM
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dolomedes posted...
haha i'm quite left and i didn't take it as biden intentionally doing anything.

he's being a fucking pussy, and that's what is making us mad.

He is a wise man. We almost imploded as a species during the Capitol terror attack, and it's not an exaggeration or fear-mongering for me to say so. He knows what he's doing, don't worry. But yes, we all need to unite and organize more ASAP.

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Ryangrad
02/18/21 8:20:13 PM
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dolomedes posted...
haha i'm quite left and i didn't take it as biden intentionally doing anything.

he's being a fucking pussy, and that's what is making us mad.
People like you really don't understand how things are done. You don't know what power he a really has.

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WingsOfGood
02/18/21 8:20:53 PM
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pure_temper posted...
Bernie would have done a lot of the same actions as Biden is doing right now, maybe a bit more bold. But they fundamentally both would be similar, because we cannot risk too much friction at first. Gotta get things stable, lay the groundwork for elevating society, and then when people see that there's nothing to fear...be even bolder! Green New Deal, etc.

Bernie would likely call it unacceptable if a policy like loan forgiveness was going to fail and would be all over the news trying to rally support to force legislator's hands.
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Doom_Art
02/18/21 8:21:48 PM
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Yeah Donald Trump isn't a good standard to set for shit, just fyi lol

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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:22:06 PM
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dolomedes posted...
that isn't optimism. that's delusion.

sorry.

I would stake my life and my finances on my approach lol. I'm not saying that the risks are gone, Nazism and Stalinism and etc can always come back until they're vanquished for good. I'm just saying that humanity as a species has never been positioned better for success than where we are now, as hard as it may be to believe it.

Ryangrad posted...
People like you really don't understand how things are done. You don't know what power he a really has.

Also, dolomedes you're a bright person and I'd love to buy you a drink some time, but yeah I think you should listen to this guy.

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brestugo
02/18/21 8:22:10 PM
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ShyOx posted...
itt people who dont understand its goons like Joe Manchin that making passing the legislation impossible
Exactly.

Bismarck said that politics is the art of the possible. Biden's been in DC long enough to know what's possible. And what is not.

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WingsOfGood
02/18/21 8:22:17 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Some people on this board just want to blame him for everything, just like they blame him for breaking promises he didnt even make.

Dont get me wrong Id rather someone more progressive be in his place but the things people are saying about him are super unreasonable so far.

Are you saying he didn't promise $2000 checks? What other promise is he blamed for that he didn't make?
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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:22:59 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Bernie would likely call it unacceptable if a policy like loan forgiveness was going to fail and would be all over the news trying to rally support to force legislator's hands.

I believe Biden wants to end student debt too but the Overton Window still has to shift just a tiny bit. I mean you had major candidates promising to wipe out 25k, 50k of it? If they won. So it'll happen, don't worry. But yes, we should keep talking about it and making sure that window moves.

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Alpha218
02/18/21 8:23:44 PM
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dolomedes posted...
nothing. he isn't wrong.

but do you think donald fucking trump ever said 'I really want this in there but it just doesn't look like we can do it because'
They dont have votes because Sinema and Manchin wont vote for it. Its funny because the same people that are going give me my money now also demand the minimum wage hike that would be in this bill. Which wouldnt happen in a timely manner at all if things have to go back to square one.

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brestugo
02/18/21 8:24:48 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
They dont have votes because Sinema and Manchin wont vote for it. Its funny because the same people that are going give me my money now also demand the minimum wage hike that would be in this bill. Which wouldnt happen in a timely manner at all if things have to go back to square one.
+1

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Intro2Logic
02/18/21 8:24:54 PM
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brestugo posted...
Biden's been in DC long enough to know what's possible. And what is not.
Then he shouldn't have campaigned on raising the minimum wage. On any number of other issues, he was quick to cite the likelihood of passage as reason for not getting on board. But here...

Biden talked about being able to get votes from senate Republicans, but it turns out he can't even wrangle his own party to back the agenda he ran on.

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Vicious_Dios
02/18/21 8:25:03 PM
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Ah, disillusioned Biden voters.

*tsk*

You hate to see it.

This is the bed that you people chose. I guess you forgot to check the sheets for piss and shit stains before you laid on it.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/18/21 8:25:41 PM
#67:


Intro2Logic posted...
Then he shouldn't have campaigned on raising the minimum wage. On any number of other issues, he was quick to cite the likelihood of passage as reason for not getting on board. But here...

Orange man bad tho

Facts aren't as important as intent


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Doom_Art
02/18/21 8:26:53 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Ah, disillusioned Biden voters.

*tsk*

You hate to see it.

This is the bed that you people chose. I guess you forgot to check the sheets for piss and shit stains before you laid on it.
dude you're a trump supporter lol

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Ryangrad
02/18/21 8:27:20 PM
#69:


dolomedes posted...
nothing. he isn't wrong.

but do you think donald fucking trump ever said 'I really want this in there but it just doesn't look like we can do it because'
You're...using Trump to make your point? Hilarious.

The fact that Trump was as clueless as you are when it comes to what is and isn't possible is irrelevant. But just so you know, that happened so many times throughout his presidency. He just was the one that had to be told "you can't make it happen, Mr. President" from his advisors. You can find many articles about that on many subjects that Trump really wanted to make some things happen.

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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:29:08 PM
#70:


Intro2Logic posted...
Then he shouldn't have campaigned on raising the minimum wage. On any number of other issues, he was quick to cite the likelihood of passage as reason for not getting on board. But here...

Biden talked about being able to get votes from senate Republicans, but it turns out he can't even wrangle his own party to back the agenda he ran on.

Dude, if he can accomplish it even 2 years from now, that's still super quick. Campaigning on something but having to fight to get it done is totally reasonable.

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
02/18/21 8:30:12 PM
#71:


Doom_Art posted...
What is within his power?


Nothing, apparently.

But that's par the course for politicians as a whole, so it's not like I'm defending the ineptitude of Reps when I criticize Dems.

They're both equally useless to me, always have been.
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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:30:18 PM
#72:


dolomedes posted...
i'm moving into a cabin on some land real soon. i want nothing to do with anything that isn't in a forest. it's all bullshit.

You are free to do as you wish, but life is very short and our only chance at seeing a better society and a better future for our loved ones is to organize/unite/work together as people. Time is short.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
02/18/21 8:31:31 PM
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Why not push something like 11.50 then? I get the fact that 15 might not be sustainable but if you push for something smaller for now, that shows the Dems can actually do something and get groundswell of support.

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brestugo
02/18/21 8:31:45 PM
#74:


Intro2Logic posted...
Then he shouldn't have campaigned on raising the minimum wage. On any number of other issues, he was quick to cite the likelihood of passage as reason for not getting on board. But here...

Biden talked about being able to get votes from senate Republicans, but it turns out he can't even wrangle his own party to back the agenda he ran on.
He thought it was possible during the campaign. As president he's acknowledged it is not. At least right now. Failure to acknowledge a changed reality is a delusion.

Every sane person has set a goal and then midstream realized that some part of that goal was unachievable. Better a president who acknowledges stark reality than one who tries to sell a delusion.

See Trump, Donald J. "Covid will be gone in two weeks".

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Vicious_Dios
02/18/21 8:32:11 PM
#75:


Doom_Art posted...
dude you're a trump supporter lol



You have nothing else to add, eh?

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brestugo
02/18/21 8:32:13 PM
#76:


pure_temper posted...
Dude, if he can accomplish it even 2 years from now, that's still super quick. Campaigning on something but having to fight to get it done is totally reasonable.
+1

Beat me to it.

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IronWolf87
02/18/21 8:34:32 PM
#77:


CosmicShadows posted...
Meh i will just wait for the $1400.

Did Biden say $1400? What he actually meant was $1400 of savings in coupons.
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Doom_Art
02/18/21 8:35:16 PM
#79:


Vicious_Dios posted...
You have nothing else to add, eh?
why would anyone bother listening to a trump supporter on anything political tho

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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:35:41 PM
#80:


Spooking posted...
He never does.

To be clear, Trump's contributions almost imploded our planet and he was on Epstein's island. We need to level up our thinking beyond Trumpism.

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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:36:07 PM
#81:


Doom_Art posted...
why would anyone bother listening to a trump supporter on anything political tho

I can answer this one - only for the purpose of teaching/rescuing other minds who are still under the influence of Big Oil billionaire propaganda.

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skermac
02/18/21 8:36:31 PM
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Minimum wage needs to be a living wage imo

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pure_temper
02/18/21 8:36:48 PM
#83:


skermac posted...
Minimum wage needs to be a living wage imo

It needs to be universal basic income that guarantees food/water/shelter/entertainment for all.

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Proto_Spark
02/18/21 8:38:07 PM
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I've heard that the minimum wage was put into the stimulus effectively as something to axe to make the republicans feel better, since its doing way different stuff than the rest of the stimulus package.

That's not to say a minimum wage increase won't be coming, just that it was never making it out right now. I also have absolutely no idea how valid that statement is, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Vicious_Dios
02/18/21 8:38:18 PM
#85:


Spooking posted...
He never does.

There's a lot of truth to that. Look how he's doubling down.

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skermac
02/18/21 11:40:18 PM
#86:


pure_temper posted...
It needs to be universal basic income that guarantees food/water/shelter/entertainment for all.

agreed

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DarkProto05
02/18/21 11:42:46 PM
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We all knew that old senile man wouldn't keep his promises. Better than having divisive Trump though.

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Dakimakura
02/18/21 11:43:44 PM
#88:


Should have gone with Bernie you fools!
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pure_temper
02/19/21 12:04:15 AM
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skermac posted...
agreed



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pure_temper
02/19/21 12:04:57 AM
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@DarkProto05 that's ageism and ableism and it's not cool tbh

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 12:07:35 AM
#91:


pure_temper posted...
@DarkProto05 that's ageism and ableism and it's not cool tbh
You're right.

How un-woke of me. Hopefully I don't get cancelled =/

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Alteres
02/19/21 12:11:24 AM
#92:


pure_temper posted...
@DarkProto05 that's ageism and ableism and it's not cool tbh
Dude, that one gave it away to even the people that dont read sigs.

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pure_temper
02/19/21 12:14:40 AM
#93:


Alteres posted...
Dude, that one gave it away to even the people that dont read sigs.

i'm serious, broseph.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:02:31 AM
#94:


tbh, the only reason anyone ever wanted Biden in office to begin with is so they could get rid of Trump. They weren't even considering that the inevitability that nothing significant would change under his administration.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:04:03 AM
#95:


pure_temper posted...
i'm serious, broseph.

You are correct, and his failure to acknowledge your point doesn't change that. People are just dumb when they're backed into a corner.

It's literally ageism.

It's not ableism though, because that's discrimination based on someone being disabled somehow. Biden is not...is he?

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pure_temper
02/19/21 1:05:44 AM
#96:


LinkFanatic posted...
You are correct, and his failure to acknowledge your point doesn't change that. People are just dumb when they're backed into a corner.

It's literally ageism.

It's not ableism though, because that's discrimination based on someone being disabled somehow. Biden is not...is he?

ah well if Biden is known to have senility as a function of age, then sure it's not discrimination/ageism to call him senile. but i got the sense that "senile" was being assumed or used as a pejorative, on someone who might very well be a truly brilliant and cogent man of the people.

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Eliza3
02/19/21 1:06:28 AM
#97:


95% of posts ITT don't understand how legislation works.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:09:32 AM
#98:


pure_temper posted...
but i got the sense that "senile" was being assumed or used as a pejorative, on someone who might very well be a truly brilliant and cogent man of the people.

Same. Which is exactly why it isn't abelism.

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:11:21 AM
#99:


pure_temper posted...
ah well if Biden is known to have senility as a function of age, then sure it's not discrimination/ageism to call him senile. but i got the sense that "senile" was being assumed or used as a pejorative, on someone who might very well be a truly brilliant and cogent man of the people.
Correct.

Snowflakes can't take a joke then have the nerve to call someone dumb lol. How do they enjoy life.

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02/19/21 1:12:33 AM
#100:


DarkProto05 posted...
Snowflakes can't a joke then have the nerve to call someone dumb lol.

Ironic much?

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