Current Events > Biden privately tells governors: Minimum wage hike likely isn't happening

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Antifar posted...

None of our 50 state governments have a supermajority requirement for regular legislation, nor do any other major countries. All the filibuster accomplishes is making our federal government sclerotic, unable to pass any legislation on climate change, gun control, or minimum wage, at a time when the public overwhelmingly wants action on these issues. Republicans are entirely comfortable with that status quo; Democrats shouldn't be.

Other countries don't have government parties so broken that they literally are willing to break the government by repealing the previous guy's legislation out of pure spite.

Climate change regulation and health care reform need more than 8 years to actually get in place and work.

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Antifar posted...

None of our 50 state governments have a supermajority requirement for regular legislation, nor do any other major countries. The senate itself didn't until like 25 years ago!

All the filibuster accomplishes is making our federal government sclerotic, unable to pass any legislation on climate change, gun control, or minimum wage, at a time when the public overwhelmingly wants action on these issues. Republicans are entirely comfortable with that status quo; Democrats shouldn't be.

It's kind of interesting, many states have supermajority requirements for budget or tax bills, kind of the exact opposite

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Antifar posted...

None of our 50 state governments have a supermajority requirement for regular legislation, nor do any other major countries. The senate itself didn't until like 25 years ago!

All the filibuster accomplishes is making our federal government sclerotic, unable to pass any legislation on climate change, gun control, or minimum wage, at a time when the public overwhelmingly wants action on these issues. Republicans are entirely comfortable with that status quo; Democrats shouldn't be.

the filibuster is a protection for the minority party. i understand the argument against it, and im inclined to agree that it slows down progress. on the other hand, i'm also aware of how bad things will get if the GOP gets the majority without a filibuster in place. it can (and perhaps will) get very, very ugly if we go down that road. I'm not convinced that will be better than the status quo in the long run. if the democrats feel confident enough that the GOP will never get the majority again, then it makes complete sense. if not, then they'll need to be ready to be run over by them when they lose. The GOP will have NO mercy if you give them power, they've shown that time and time again.

Nah, not "fuck joe biden"

Fuck the Joe Biden primary supporters who browbeat everyone into voting for him.

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Proud to say I didnt vote for this man lol

pogo_rabid posted...

Nah, not "fuck joe biden"

Fuck the Joe Biden primary supporters who browbeat everyone into voting for him.

lmao, what even is this post


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Fam_Fam posted...

the filibuster is a protection for the minority party. i understand the argument against it, and im inclined to agree that it slows down progress. on the other hand, i'm also aware of how bad things will get if the GOP gets the majority without a filibuster in place. it can (and perhaps will) get very, very ugly if we go down that road. I'm not convinced that will be better than the status quo in the long run. if the democrats feel confident enough that the GOP will never get the majority again, then it makes complete sense. if not, then they'll need to be ready to be run over by them when they lose. The GOP will have NO mercy if you give them power, they've shown that time and time again.

They couldn't even repeal Obamacare on a simple majority vote iirc

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Frankly the filibuster should be gone and if the argument for it is that Republicans might do something bad then you've already lost and don't want to wield the power when you have it. Fuck it's not even coded into the Constitution. There's no reason it can't be thrown out.

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Fam_Fam posted...

The GOP will have NO mercy if you give them power, they've shown that time and time again.

I agree. So why do you think Mitch McConnell didn't get rid of the filibuster when he had the power to do so in 2017?

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Antifar posted...

I agree. So why do you think Mitch McConnell didn't get rid of the filibuster when he had the power to do so in 2017?

Because it's probably bad for both parties, because both rely on it when in minority control?

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My point being: if Mitch McConnell doesn't think getting rid of the filibuster would help Republicans, whose agenda is unpopular and whose elected officials show no real interest in governing, why should you?

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Antifar posted...

My point being: if Mitch McConnell doesn't think getting rid of the filibuster would help Republicans, whose agenda is unpopular and whose elected officials show no real interest in governing, why should you?

Something can be bad for both Republican and Democratic legislation goals at the same time. If nobody's legislation can last longer than the time it takes congress to shift majorities, seems like absolutely no legislation will stick around. I presume the reason it works at the state level is that the tides don't shift nearly as often?

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COVxy posted...

Something can be bad for both Republican and Democratic legislation goals at the same time. If nobody's legislation can last longer than the time it takes congress to shift majorities, seems like absolutely no legislation will stick around. I presume the reason it works at the state level is that the tides don't shift nearly as often?

Again, they couldn't even get rid of Obamacare after campaigning against it for over a decade

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Well over a decade is an exaggeration

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Balrog0 posted...

Again, they couldn't even get rid of Obamacare after campaigning against it for over a decade

But maybe it being around for over a decade and having their constituency heavily depend on it had something to do with that?

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COVxy posted...

But maybe it being around for over a decade and having their constituency heavily depend on it had something to do with that?

Why did it stay around? Not because of the filibuster. No instead the filibuster meant Democrats needed Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus' votes, resulting in the public option being taken out of the bill.

I am not convinced that legislation rarely passing in the first place is preferable to a party that wins the presidency, house, and senate being able to implement its agenda. The quagmire created by the filibuster just contributes to the growing sense many have that nothing can get done through congress, which Republicans are just fine with.

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