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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:14:12 AM
#101:


Not at all since you're the only one taking anything serious.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:14:24 AM
#102:


my point > your head

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:16:34 AM
#103:


LinkFanatic posted...
my point > your head
Ok. Post about it on Facebook, there you have a better chance of finding someone that cares.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:18:11 AM
#104:


You cared enough to respond, baby boy.

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ElatedVenusaur
02/19/21 1:18:40 AM
#105:


Democrats: Vote for us! We believe in a $15 minimum wage.

Voters: Boy, that would sure be great!

Kyrsten Sinema: Now, hold on a minute! It cant be done via reconciliation. I know this to be true in my bones even though the CBO ruled it had a budget impact, the parliamentarian hasnt ruled, and VP Harris could get it in anyway. I would definitely vote for it otherwise as long as I knew it wouldnt actually pass LOL

Joe Manchin: I dont know, if youre working two jobs and cant make ends meet, that seems like its your fault.

*$15 minimum wage fails*

Democrats: Vote for us, well totally get that $15 minimum wage next time!

Voters: Can we at least get rid of the Dems who blocked it?

Democrats: VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO.
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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:18:57 AM
#106:


It's almost like...you're being a snowflake yourself?

ecks dee

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:22:34 AM
#107:


LinkFanatic posted...
my point > your head
Hey don't make fun of my senile head. That's discrimination. I'm gonna cancel you!

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pure_temper
02/19/21 1:22:59 AM
#108:


bro I'd rather be a snowflake than a fuckin sheep lmfao

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:23:13 AM
#109:


Cancel me, baby. Right up the ass.

I'm horny rn anyway.

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au_gold
02/19/21 1:23:29 AM
#110:


Fuck Joe Biden.

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pure_temper
02/19/21 1:23:40 AM
#111:


LinkFanatic posted...
Cancel me, baby. Right up the ass.

I'm horny rn anyway.

i could take care of that for you tbh <3 :) ;)

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Smashingpmkns
02/19/21 1:23:47 AM
#112:


You guys should get a room tbh
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pure_temper
02/19/21 1:24:05 AM
#113:


Smashingpmkns posted...
You guys should get a room tbh

can we use your room?

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:24:29 AM
#114:


If it's not obvious, I'm clearly just playing along now; our conversation isn't that serious.

I also agree with your implication that some progressives take the whole cancel culture thing too far and are overly sensitive.

I mean I'm also on the left, but we're not all like that. I also think the extent to which this occurs is exaggerated; it's definitely not the majority of them, you're just honing in on a vocal minority.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:24:38 AM
#115:


pure_temper posted...
i could take care of that for you tbh <3 :) ;)

:o

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:25:34 AM
#116:


Smashingpmkns posted...
You guys should get a room tbh

Me, temper, and that other dude?

Sure. Threesomes are fun anyway.

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:26:39 AM
#117:


pure_temper posted...
bro I'd rather be a snowflake than a fuckin sheep lmfao
It doesn't have to be a choice lol. Don't need to be a Trump supporting sheep nor a baby who complains about everything.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:27:28 AM
#118:


DarkProto05 posted...
It doesn't have to be a choice lol. Don't need to be a Trump supporting sheep nor a baby who complains about everything.

thumbs up this comment tho

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:30:08 AM
#119:


LinkFanatic posted...
If it's not obvious, I'm clearly just playing along now; our conversation isn't that serious.

I also agree with your implication that some progressives take the whole cancel culture thing too far and are overly sensitive.

I mean I'm also on the left, but we're not all like that. I also think the extent to which this occurs is exaggerated; it's definitely not the majority of them, you're just honing in on a vocal minority.
Agreed. Now you're getting it.

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LinkFanatic
02/19/21 1:30:32 AM
#120:


I knew you were joking the entire time.

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pure_temper
02/19/21 1:44:51 AM
#121:


dude I can literally go at this all day, with anyone, but only if you're really hot. ;)

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DarkProto05
02/19/21 1:48:08 AM
#122:


LinkFanatic posted...
I knew you were joking the entire time.
My man.

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
02/19/21 5:57:46 AM
#123:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Democrats: Vote for us! We believe in a $15 minimum wage.

Voters: Boy, that would sure be great!

Kyrsten Sinema: Now, hold on a minute! It cant be done via reconciliation. I know this to be true in my bones even though the CBO ruled it had a budget impact, the parliamentarian hasnt ruled, and VP Harris could get it in anyway. I would definitely vote for it otherwise as long as I knew it wouldnt actually pass LOL

Joe Manchin: I dont know, if youre working two jobs and cant make ends meet, that seems like its your fault.

*$15 minimum wage fails*

Democrats: Vote for us, well totally get that $15 minimum wage next time!

Voters: Can we at least get rid of the Dems who blocked it?

Democrats: VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO.


Pretty much, yeah.

It's "trickle down" all over again, only now the oily snake shit has a cerulean hue instead of a crimson one.
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scar the 1
02/19/21 6:07:23 AM
#124:


I'm as skeptic of Biden as anyone, but the OP just makes it look like he doesn't think a wage hike will pass, no? Like, "I want this to happen but I don't think it's likely right now". Doesn't seem like a major headline

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Fam_Fam
02/19/21 7:59:49 AM
#125:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Democrats: Vote for us! We believe in a $15 minimum wage.

Voters: Boy, that would sure be great!

Kyrsten Sinema: Now, hold on a minute! It cant be done via reconciliation. I know this to be true in my bones even though the CBO ruled it had a budget impact, the parliamentarian hasnt ruled, and VP Harris could get it in anyway. I would definitely vote for it otherwise as long as I knew it wouldnt actually pass LOL

Joe Manchin: I dont know, if youre working two jobs and cant make ends meet, that seems like its your fault.

*$15 minimum wage fails*

Democrats: Vote for us, well totally get that $15 minimum wage next time!

Voters: Can we at least get rid of the Dems who blocked it?

Democrats: VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO.

sure, but the reasons why its failing is because there aren't enough democrats in office who support it. if you want federal policies you need nationwide voting for people who support those policies. the problem in terms of minimum wage is that there's enough of the country voting for people who do not support it.
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Fam_Fam
02/19/21 8:00:04 AM
#126:


scar the 1 posted...
I'm as skeptic of Biden as anyone, but the OP just makes it look like he doesn't think a wage hike will pass, no? Like, "I want this to happen but I don't think it's likely right now". Doesn't seem like a major headline

its not, its fabricated news/outrage
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ElatedVenusaur
02/19/21 8:13:53 AM
#127:


Fam_Fam posted...
sure, but the reasons why its failing is because there aren't enough democrats in office who support it. if you want federal policies you need nationwide voting for people who support those policies. the problem in terms of minimum wage is that there's enough of the country voting for people who do not support it.
The Democrats control the all three branches of government. Voters expect them to deliver, and if the Democrats dont deliver, the voters arent going to be impressed with mumbled excuses about process or the filibuster, theyre just going to decide the Democrats dont actually want to help them and stay home.

And given that the Democrats will inevitably back the people responsible for this mess to the hilt in their respective primaries...
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Propane4Sale
02/19/21 8:15:56 AM
#128:


Lyin Biden

inb4stimulus"likelyisn'thappening"

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hockeybub89
02/19/21 8:16:34 AM
#129:


Democrats spend too much time apologizing for what they can't get done

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COVxy
02/19/21 8:17:59 AM
#130:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
The Democrats control the all three branches of government

Whoops.

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TheBlueMonk_
02/19/21 8:24:14 AM
#131:


Itt: people who only read the topic title

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VTBM
02/19/21 8:26:55 AM
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Fam_Fam
02/19/21 8:28:54 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
The Democrats control the all three branches of government. Voters expect them to deliver, and if the Democrats dont deliver, the voters arent going to be impressed with mumbled excuses about process or the filibuster, theyre just going to decide the Democrats dont actually want to help them and stay home.

And given that the Democrats will inevitably back the people responsible for this mess to the hilt in their respective primaries...

so the "voters" don't understand the longer-term implications of removing the filibuster. which would result in far worse consequences down the road when GOP gets in power.

also biden isnt in charge of the filibuster anyways, so that's also not his fault/responsibility.
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Propane4Sale
02/19/21 8:32:40 AM
#134:


TheBlueMonk_ posted...
Itt: people who only read the topic title

In the OP, Biden said he couldn't get it done because he wants Republican support, which he also blamed for the stimulus and loan forgiveness packages. Pretty cut and dry here.

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NinjaWarrior455
02/19/21 8:34:36 AM
#135:


Maybe Dems should do a better job messaging to people rather than shrugging their shoulders and saying it can't be done.

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Southernfatman
02/19/21 8:38:02 AM
#136:


How dare you guys point this out or ever criticize a Democrat. You'd rather have Republican in office? Huh? Huh!? HUH!?

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Fam_Fam
02/19/21 9:30:35 AM
#137:


Propane4Sale posted...
In the OP, Biden said he couldn't get it done because he wants Republican support, which he also blamed for the stimulus and loan forgiveness packages. Pretty cut and dry here.

you need 60 votes to pass legislation. if he comes up with a plan he promised to pass and tries to put it through, and 10 GOP don't sign on, it doesn't happen. that's not his fault, and he can do nothing about that. one could change senate rules, but biden can do nothing about that as well. pretty cut and dry.
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ElatedVenusaur
02/19/21 10:49:50 AM
#138:


Fam_Fam posted...
so the "voters" don't understand the longer-term implications of removing the filibuster. which would result in far worse consequences down the road when GOP gets in power.

also biden isnt in charge of the filibuster anyways, so that's also not his fault/responsibility.
What, that our government might actually pass more than 3-4 more pieces of legislation per presidential term, and they won't all be budget related?
The horror! Do you seriously believe Mitch wouldn't simply nuke the filibuster himself if he ever wanted to do anything other than pass tax cuts? He removed them from judges because he wanted to pack the courts.
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Fam_Fam
02/19/21 2:40:55 PM
#139:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
What, that our government might actually pass more than 3-4 more pieces of legislation per presidential term, and they won't all be budget related?
The horror! Do you seriously believe Mitch wouldn't simply nuke the filibuster himself if he ever wanted to do anything other than pass tax cuts? He removed them from judges because he wanted to pack the courts.

they'd be able to implement lots and lots of horrible policies for lots of people. Wanting the majority party to be able to have free reign over all policy sounds like when you're in charge. it is very, very bad when the other side is in charge. people are too short-sighted to see that though.
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s0nicfan
02/19/21 2:45:06 PM
#140:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
What, that our government might actually pass more than 3-4 more pieces of legislation per presidential term, and they won't all be budget related?
The horror! Do you seriously believe Mitch wouldn't simply nuke the filibuster himself if he ever wanted to do anything other than pass tax cuts? He removed them from judges because he wanted to pack the courts.

He removed them from judges in revenge for democrats removing them for lower court judges. He even said so, specifically, when the Democrats first did it to push through Obama appointees:
https://abcstlouis.com/news/nation-world/mcconnells-2013-warning-to-reid-about-senate-nuclear-rule-now-viral-video
In the video, McConnell is warning Reid and Democrats about using the "nuclear option" that was preserved on video and is now returning to haunt Democrats who hope to block Trump's nominee to the Supreme Court.

McConnell tells Reid and the Democrats simply, Youll regret this, and you may regret this a lot sooner than you think."

The video and quote started circulating on social media within an hour of Kennedy's retirement announcement.

saying "oh but the conservatives would do this" is not justification for doing it yourself, nor is pointing to past examples of them doing something in retaliation proof that you might as well do it before they do. If Dems didn't remove the filibuster on lower courts during Obama's tenure, it's entirely possible Trump would not have gotten all of his supreme Court picks through.

Short-term power grabs always come back to bite the party that does it in the ass because you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe that the opposing party would never hold the majority again

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Balrog0
02/19/21 2:48:32 PM
#141:


It's hard for me to imagine it would fit into a budget reconcilation

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brestugo
02/19/21 2:59:57 PM
#142:


Eliza3 posted...
95% of posts ITT don't understand how legislation works.
Yeah, I guess people don't take American government anymore. Either those posters failed school, or the school failed them.

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Fam_Fam
02/19/21 3:02:41 PM
#143:


s0nicfan posted...
He removed them from judges in revenge for democrats removing them for lower court judges. He even said so, specifically, when the Democrats first did it to push through Obama appointees:
https://abcstlouis.com/news/nation-world/mcconnells-2013-warning-to-reid-about-senate-nuclear-rule-now-viral-video

saying "oh but the conservatives would do this" is not justification for doing it yourself, nor is pointing to past examples of them doing something in retaliation proof that you might as well do it before they do. If Dems didn't remove the filibuster on lower courts during Obama's tenure, it's entirely possible Trump would not have gotten all of his supreme Court picks through.

Short-term power grabs always come back to bite the party that does it in the ass because you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe that the opposing party would never hold the majority again

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Samurontai
02/19/21 3:07:28 PM
#144:


Imagine thinking a flat 15 minimum wage increase would be a good thing. It should be rolled out based on the area alone. A 15 dollar minimum wage in bum fuck Kentucky for example, would be quite a bit of money to most people

15 dollar minimum wage in New York wouldnt be shit

Locally increase minimum wages based on local economies

also, TC, he literally campaigned on a 10k student loan debt forgiveness. The 50k wasnt anything he ever planned on doing. This has been known since before November. Democrats are almost as bad when it comes to misinformation and a general lack of understanding on how government works as conservatives are, like holy shit

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darkbuster
02/19/21 3:10:24 PM
#145:


I mean, anyone who understands a modicum of politics shouldn't be truly surprised. The people with the most power in the current system have no reason to allow things to change. I suppose Biden's one true mistake here, was voicing that aloud.

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VigorouslySwish
02/19/21 3:10:24 PM
#146:


wow what a surprise he isn't hiking minimum wage like he said he would and he isnt cancelling student debt like he said he would. When are people gonna learn that democrats are just republicans in sheeps clothing

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Samurontai
02/19/21 3:15:24 PM
#147:


VigorouslySwish posted...
wow what a surprise he isn't hiking minimum wage like he said he would and he isnt cancelling student debt like he said he would. When are people gonna learn that democrats are just republicans in sheeps clothing

yeah, basically all of this is wrong

Biden specifically said, while campaigning, that he would cancel up to 10k of student loan debt, and lower tuition prices. He never said he would cancel 50k or all of student loan debt, nor did he run on that

He also said he would raise the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour.

Note the key, italicized and bolder word there, friend


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Antifar
02/19/21 3:16:31 PM
#148:


Fam_Fam posted...
they'd be able to implement lots and lots of horrible policies for lots of people. Wanting the majority party to be able to have free reign over all policy sounds like when you're in charge. it is very, very bad when the other side is in charge. people are too short-sighted to see that though.
None of our 50 state governments have a supermajority requirement for regular legislation, nor do any other major countries. The senate itself didn't until like 25 years ago!

All the filibuster accomplishes is making our federal government sclerotic, unable to pass any legislation on climate change, gun control, or minimum wage, at a time when the public overwhelmingly wants action on these issues. Republicans are entirely comfortable with that status quo; Democrats shouldn't be.

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iPhone_7
02/19/21 3:19:21 PM
#149:


Biden lied, students in debt cried

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ultimate reaver
02/19/21 3:20:07 PM
#150:


Southernfatman posted...
How dare you guys point this out or ever criticize a Democrat. You'd rather have Republican in office? Huh? Huh!? HUH!?

to be fair its in the constitution that if enough people criticize a democrat president they will instantly be replaced in office by Donald trump. They were very prescient

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