Current Events > Sex expert claims men can have sex with each other without being gay

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AvlButtslam posted...

@MegaTech

Lol, this guy. Shakes ass You'll have to catch me first!

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MegaTech posted...

Lol, this guy. Shakes ass You'll have to catch me first!

hahah you're a massive tease

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I am a straight man who has had sexual encounters with other men multiple times. I am not physically, mentally, emotionally, romantically or any other kind of attracted to men in any way. The only one in Magic Mike that gets me going is Olivia Munn. But I am not repulsed by other men and physical stimulation feels good.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You seem to just be talking down to people rather than raising a point

Depends on the person I'm talking to, but you're not wrong

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dude, if you enjoy the dick, go for it. nobody cares... well i sure as hell dont! lol

The mods on this site absolutely suck. You mods need classes or some shit like that.

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It seems to me Joe has one foot out the door, and the other in, and doesn't seem to know what to do.

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Not gay but not straight either. Its bi.

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onedarksoul posted...

Not gay but not straight either. Its bi.

Doesn't have to be bi either.

David Sedaris had a bit about this that he did at a live show I saw him at when I was younger. I cant find a clip of him doing it online though.

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I could see the argument that for one of them it isnt a homosexual encounter (and that its a transactional sex act) but not for both. At least one of them would have to be into it for it to happen.

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What do we mean by "gay?"

Two people of the same sex engaging in sexual activity is a homosexual act by definition, in that regard, it IS gay.

But it is entirely possible for two people of the same sex to do so while not actually being physically attracted to each other (but I don't know why anyone would do that), they may not necessarily be gay people in terms of orientation.

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Phantom36 posted...

Two people of the same sex engaging in sexual activity is a homosexual act by definition, in that regard, it IS gay.

Acts aren't gay. People are. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not something that describes a certain set of actions.

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scar the 1 posted...

Acts aren't gay. People are. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not something that describes a certain set of actions.

of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between people of the same sex

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual

Homosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality


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Sorry, but if you are able to maintain arousal in the presence of another penis, you are not completely straight.

I say this as a gay man. If sexuality was just minds and personalities involved, I could definitely fall for anyone with a good one. But if there is a vagina involved, I would instantly lose arousal and feel grossed out at the thought of coming into contact.

This always reeks of "no homo" homophobia. It's basically men so scared of being labeled anything even tangentially connected to "gay" no matter what that they have to invent all kinds of excuses and loopholes so they can have their cock and eat it too.

Sorry, just because your hairless Grindr hookup wore pink frilly panties before plowing you with all 9 inches doesn't mean you're straight.

John325 posted...

Sorry, but if you are able to maintain arousal in the presence of another penis, you are not completely straight.

Complete nonsense. No part of being heterosexual requires being repulsed by other men. I've also had threesomes where myself and a male friend both had sex with a female, you going to say that was gay because two erections were in the same room?

Tenlaar posted...

Complete nonsense. No part of being heterosexual requires being repulsed by other men. I've also had threesomes where myself and a male friend both had sex with a female, you going to say that was gay because two erections were in the same room?

Try simply not being aroused by other men. It doesn't require repulsion.

For your scenario, maybe if the focus was entirely on the female with little interaction (and none of it sexual) between the men, but if at any point you were maintaining arousal coming into sexual contact with the other man (or intending to)... I would absolutely say you are not 100% straight.

John325 posted...

Try simply not being aroused by other men. It doesn't require repulsion.

For your scenario, maybe if the focus was entirely on the female with little interaction (and none of it sexual) between the men, but if at any point you were maintaining arousal coming into sexual contact with the other man (or intending to)... I would absolutely say you are not 100% straight.

Physical stimulation feels good and can lead to arousal whether or not there is any kind of attraction whatsoever.

uhh maybe if they don't have sexual pleasure from it, and use it as power like prison.

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Tenlaar posted...

Physical stimulation feels good and can lead to arousal whether or not there is any kind of attraction whatsoever.

Whatever helps you keep feeling "no homo" I guess.

(but yeah, if you and the other guy did stuff with each other and not just the girl... that's kinda gay... nothing wrong with it, but yea... full homo)

Not being straight does not automatically mean gay. Jesus Christ, get outta here with that nonsense.

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John325 posted...

Whatever helps you keep feeling "no homo" I guess.

(but yeah, if you and the other guy did stuff with each other and not just the girl... that's kinda gay... nothing wrong with it)

It has nothing to do with "feeling no homo." It's simply reality, regardless of how condescending you want to be with your ignorance.

Just commit and be gay. It's better than being a straight guy in this day and age

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Tenlaar posted...

It has nothing to do with "feeling no homo." It's simply reality, regardless of how condescending you want to be with your ignorance.

you just seem to be really desperate to categorize your having sex with other men as anything but gay. If it wasn't a "no homo" thing you wouldn't be so bothered by it.

It's okay. Nothing wrong with not being 100% "straight". You are still just as much of a man as you were before. And so is your sex partner.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I suppose his point is , are you gay if you masturbate?

No? Why because you're just trying to get off?

So what's the difference if its another mans hand vs your (a mans) hand if there is no feelings involved?

You are gay if you masterbate to a copy of playgirl magazine, yes.
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John325 posted...

you just seem to be really desperate to categorize your having sex with other men as anything but gay. If it wasn't a "no homo" thing you wouldn't be so bothered by it.

It's okay. Nothing wrong with not being 100% "straight". You are still just as much of a man as you were before. And so is your sex partner.

What I'm bothered by are people who lie and say that they know what my sexuality is because their idea of what everything means is what it is, like you're doing here. You're ignorant and acting like your lack of understanding on physical reactions to stimulation is expertise rather than the ignorance it is.

I'm pretty sure you would be bothered by somebody saying "no, actually, I know what your sexuality is, not you" to you, too.

has a doctorate in clinical sexology, has written multiple books on sexuality and works as a psychotherapist and relationships coach.

This honestly sounds like something Barney Stinson would make up lol

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It's called being gay for pay.

Technically this is true. And it makes sense if you pay attention to what is actually being argued.

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oh hell yeah good news

@Parappa09 prepare your anus

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pure_temper posted...

Technically this is true. And it makes sense if you pay attention to what is actually being argued.

Not really, even with the benefit if the doubt. Hell, even then, it's easy to argue against.

"Oh, I like women, but my homie gives me a BJ sometimes and I give him a reach around in return. But we're not gay, we just wanna get off."

Like...how can you argue that blowing someone doesn't make you gay? I just don't follow that line of logic. Idk man.
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Slayer_22 posted...

Not really, even with the benefit if the doubt. Hell, even then, it's easy to argue against.

"Oh, I like women, but my homie gives me a BJ sometimes and I give him a reach around in return. But we're not gay, we just wanna get off."

Like...how can you argue that blowing someone doesn't make you gay? I just don't follow that line of logic. Idk man.

wait a minute why do you care so much?

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pure_temper posted...

wait a minute why do you care so much?

What makes you think I care much at all, exactly? I posted twice in this topic, and the first time was a joke.
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pure_temper posted...

wait a minute why do you care so much?

This is such a dumb counter argument

Nothing he said showed exceptional care beyond just you having no retort to it

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Crono99 posted...

Being "gay" is an identity. You're the only person who can decide if you're gay or not.

Although...

Idk man. The definition of "guy thing" must've changed since I was a teenager. When I hung out with the guys from my hockey team, we did a lot of "guy thinks" and that didn't involve us boinking

That's a fair point. When I go hang out with the boiz, we don't end it off by seeing who can carry the most man juice in their mouth. Is this how the cool, hip kids spend their Saturday nights? Damn, I feel old.

UnfairRepresent posted...

This is such a dumb counter argument

Nothing he said showed exceptional care beyond just you having no retort to it

Nail on the head lol, said it better than I did.
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Enough arguing over labels. You are whatever you identify as.

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Tenlaar posted...

I'm pretty sure you would be bothered by somebody saying "no, actually, I know what your sexuality is, not you" to you, too.

I'd laugh and move on because being accused of being straight or bi would be really fucking funny and not a big thing at all.

Sorry that being told you're not 100% straight if you have sex with men is such a big deal to you (because it really shouldn't be). Having sex with men (i.e. not just taking turns on a woman, but actually staying aroused and getting off while having sexual contact with another man) is gay.

I am 100% certain of this because I would not be able to stay aroused if a woman were involved no matter how much "stimulation" happened. She'd be mashing a floppy, even if it was pure iron just before. If that weren't the case, I'd have no problem admitting a slight "bi-ness", because why would I? Who the hell cares about being labeled as a big ol' straighty. If I was having sex with women, it would be a no-brainer, even if I 99.9% preferred men.

The issue only comes up when it's the other way around and a "straight" guy might have to admit that that male-on-male sex he's been having is pretty gay (or as a classic tactic gay men use to reassure insecure "straight" men out of their pants. "It's totally not gay unless you're taking it, dude!")

Yes, I can see some scenarios where two straight dudes have sex, but they're not actually gay.

Gay for pay is a thing in porn. They're merely performing, even with like Viagra, not genuinely enjoying it. For example, there's a much bigger audience/demand for male porn with gay men than there is for straight women. So it can be far more lucrative to appeal to gay business if that makes sense.

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No one tell him that "gay for pay" means you're being gay in exchange for money.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

No one tell him that "gay for pay" means you're being gay in exchange for money.

It's almost like the term describes the act directly.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No one tell him that "gay for pay" means you're being gay in exchange for money.

Okay, put it this way then... It's a little less common nowadays, but in previous generations gay men stayed closeted their whole lives. They got married to women and even had kids. Does that make them straight because they had sex with a woman? No.

Now flip it that logic. A straight guy can have sex with a man and not be gay. I give the porn example because it's the only one I can really think of easily. It's a gay act, sure. But they might not be attracted to men. It's a performance not real. Or maybe I'm naive...

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Gruntling posted...

Okay, put it this way then... It's a little less common nowadays, but in previous generations gay men stayed closeted their whole lives. They got married to women and even had kids. Does that make them straight because they had sex with a woman? No.

Now flip it that logic. A straight guy can have sex with a man and not be gay. I give the porn example because it's the only one I can really think of easily. It's a gay act, sure. But they might not be attracted to men. It's a performance not real. Or maybe I'm naive...

Look, I get what you're saying. You're comparing it to...say, Barney Stinson vs Neil Patrick Harris. Harris is gay, his most well known character is straight and a womanizer. He kisses women, does that make him straight? Of course not.

However, I doubt there is any satisfaction from it.

That's the difference I see. Sex has the gratification aspect to it. The release, the pleasure. And if you're a gay man having sex with a man, that gives you those. If you're straight, it will NOT. I'm not gonna enjoy sticking my flopper in a man's mouth or rectum myself, I am not gay and will not find that an enjoyable experience. However, if you are actively forcing yourself, consensually, to get hard(via imagination/medication) to make yourself have sex with a man for money, and thus forcing yourself to have the same pleasure and release that you would with a woman...

Sorry, but that's hella gay IMHO lol.

Just my opinion, of course, I'm not looking to change lives. Just saying it's a gay af act. And if you're hanging with the homies and you guys blow a load for each other, then you're pretty gay.
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Slayer_22 posted...

Look, I get what you're saying. You're comparing it to...say, Barney Stinson vs Neil Patrick Harris. Harris is gay, his most well known character is straight and a womanizer. He kisses women, does that make him straight? Of course not.

However, I doubt there is any satisfaction from it.

That's the difference I see. Sex has the gratification aspect to it. The release, the pleasure. And if you're a gay man having sex with a man, that gives you those. If you're straight, it will NOT. I'm not gonna enjoy sticking my flopper in a man's mouth or rectum myself, I am not gay and will not find that an enjoyable experience. However, if you are actively forcing yourself, consensually, to get hard(via imagination/medication) to make yourself have sex with a man for money, and thus forcing yourself to have the same pleasure and release that you would with a woman...

Sorry, but that's hella gay IMHO lol.

Just my opinion, of course, I'm not looking to change lives. Just saying it's a gay af act. And if you're hanging with the homies and you guys blow a load for each other, then you're pretty gay.

Fair enough. I'm doing mental gymnastics trying to justify any other scenario.

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