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ROOTFayth 05/02/21 10:34:17 AM #253:	CyricZ posted... https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1388132937707802629 oh shit that must mean they have no unfair advantages then <cite>ROOTFayth posted [p:953469727] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1388132937707802629</quote>oh shit that must mean they have no unfair advantages then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 10:39:24 AM #254:	ROOTFayth posted... oh shit that must mean they have no unfair advantages then By all means pick up where Gov. Justice has floundered. Name the example of a transgender child trying to get an unfair advantage. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953469826] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>ROOTFayth posted... </cite> <quote>oh shit that must mean they have no unfair advantages then</quote>By all means pick up where Gov. Justice has floundered. Name the example of a transgender child trying to get an unfair advantage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/02/21 11:47:29 AM #255:	DezDroppedFreak posted... ? What point do you think youre making here? Im aware of that. Then you know that aruging about the WNBA and Tyson Fury to counter her point is intentionally being intellectually dishonest to the conversation. There are literally studies showing both ends of the argument as have already been posted in here, all with relatively small This reminds me of that pyrocynical joke. "This guy actually existed and was a real person, but this game is fiction. Which gives the game a 50-50% chance of being true." https://au.sports.yahoo.com/sports/clear-risk-transgender-athletes-facing-ban-from-world-rugby-035031452.html More likely to be injured from competing agaisnt transgenders https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764 Post hormone therapy transgenders still have advantages over biological women. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. All the data is there. Going "Well Falon Fox lost a fight one time." or "I found some study of 5 racers who lost races to da other girls." doesn't negate the other data or facts of bioloigcal science. The biological advantage is there and is undeniable. Cherry picked win/loss records of random people doesn't have anything do with he point The main issue I see is this being highly politicized and being used to score points with a base. You're right but have it totally backwards. This shouldn't be a partisan issue, it's basic rudementary science. But the left has adopted the strange anti-fact, anti-science stances tradtionally held by the right and is religiously demanding we ignore facts for political clout. It's religion. What's the difference between claiming "There's no difference between male and female biology because I say so!" and "Dinosuars didn't exist, Jesus died for your sins the came back from the dead so worship him because God said so! Also God said gays are evil!" It's the same total lack of reason and logic, the same anti reality sentiement displayed with the same meaningless insulting rhetoric that just attacks people and denies science. I have to ask once again the same question people who are quick to insult keep ignoring: "Do you know why womens leagues exist in the first place? Did you know females are allowed to compete in the "Men's leagues" it's just that none can?" These facts suck, if it was up to me they would not be how the world works. But they are facts. They are tangible realities. Its not about protecting womens sports or whatever bullshit people tell themselves. Except it is. Even if people you dislike pretend to care, that doesn't mean they are wrong. Plenty of people who hate cops used the George Floyd case as an excuse to be angry about cops and didn't care about George Floyd. That doesn't mean they weren't 100% right about eveything. It's an undeniable fact that the male biological body is larger, stronger, faster, has better reflexes, half the pain receptors, different chemical balances, more muscle mass, different bone density etc than the famale body. You can't go "Well I think some jerks only bring up that fact to be jerks because they are big jerks!" ... It's still a fact... If they fall within current guidelines, let them compete and adjust accordingly. So after all your nonsense, you end up just arguing semantics. "You're not allowed a ban that results in no transgenders competing. Instead you need to set up a system that results in no transgenders competing." Reminds me of: Nelson: "Did you make a promise to Major Lennox about an Imperial Eagle Sharpe!?" Sharpe: "I swear on oath that nobody heard me make a promise to Major Lennox in respect to an Imperial Eagle." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:953471472] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>DezDroppedFreak posted... </cite> <quote> ? What point do you think youre making here? Im aware of that. </quote> Then you know that aruging about the WNBA and Tyson Fury to counter her point is intentionally being intellectually dishonest to the conversation. <quote> There are literally studies showing both ends of the argument as have already been posted in here, all with relatively small</quote> This reminds me of that pyrocynical joke. "This guy actually existed and was a real person, but this game is fiction. Which gives the game a 50-50% chance of being true." https://au.sports.yahoo.com/sports/clear-risk-transgender-athletes-facing-ban-from-world-rugby-035031452.html More likely to be injured from competing agaisnt transgenders https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764 Post hormone therapy transgenders still have advantages over biological women. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. All the data is there. Going "Well Falon Fox lost a fight one time." or "I found some study of 5 racers who lost races to da other girls." doesn't negate the other data or facts of bioloigcal science. The biological advantage is there and is undeniable. Cherry picked win/loss records of random people doesn't have anything do with he point <quote> The main issue I see is this being highly politicized and being used to score points with a base. </quote> You're right but have it totally backwards. This shouldn't be a partisan issue, it's basic rudementary science. But the left has adopted the strange anti-fact, anti-science stances tradtionally held by the right and is religiously demanding we ignore facts for political clout. It's religion. What's the difference between claiming "There's no difference between male and female biology because I say so!" and "Dinosuars didn't exist, Jesus died for your sins the came back from the dead so worship him because God said so! Also God said gays are evil!" It's the same total lack of reason and logic, the same anti reality sentiement displayed with the same meaningless insulting rhetoric that just attacks people and denies science. I have to ask once again the same question people who are quick to insult keep ignoring: "Do you know why womens leagues exist in the first place? Did you know females are allowed to compete in the "Men's leagues" it's just that none can?" These facts suck, if it was up to me they would not be how the world works. But they are facts. They are tangible realities. <quote> Its not about protecting womens sports or whatever bullshit people tell themselves.</quote> Except it is. Even if people you dislike pretend to care, that doesn't mean they are wrong. Plenty of people who hate cops used the George Floyd case as an excuse to be angry about cops and didn't care about George Floyd. That doesn't mean they weren't 100% right about eveything. It's an undeniable fact that the male biological body is larger, stronger, faster, has better reflexes, half the pain receptors, different chemical balances, more muscle mass, different bone density etc than the famale body. You can't go "Well I think some jerks only bring up that fact to be jerks because they are big jerks!" ... It's still a fact... <quote> If they fall within current guidelines, let them compete and adjust accordingly.</quote> So after all your nonsense, you end up just arguing semantics. "You're not allowed a ban that results in no transgenders competing. Instead you need to set up a system that results in no transgenders competing." Reminds me of: Nelson: "Did you make a promise to Major Lennox about an Imperial Eagle Sharpe!?" Sharpe: "I swear on oath that nobody heard me make a promise to Major Lennox in respect to an Imperial Eagle." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 05/02/21 1:10:14 PM #257:	CyricZ posted... https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1388132937707802629 Yep. If you support this then you're going after all transgender students without any actual basis for it. Aka transphobia. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:953473799] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1388132937707802629</quote>Yep. If you support this then you're going after all transgender students without any actual basis for it. Aka transphobia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wasssup Now 05/02/21 4:05:32 PM #258:	YourLovelyTina posted... Typical. Notice no-one is crying about Transboys competing in male sports... Lol 6 pages in no refute to post 2! As stated already anyone can join the major sports leagues <cite>Wasssup Now posted [p:953479129] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>YourLovelyTina posted... </cite> <quote>Typical. Notice no-one is crying about Transboys competing in male sports...</quote> Lol 6 pages in no refute to post 2! As stated already anyone can join the major sports leagues </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 05/02/21 4:10:30 PM #259:	I think she is qualified to have an opinion on this debate however she also isnt the queen spokesperson of all trans people. Im not informed enough to take a side, but I think the opinion of a former Olympic athlete who is trans now does hold some weight. --- Sippin Donatello With Captain Ginyu <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:953479284] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>I think she is qualified to have an opinion on this debate however she also isnt the queen spokesperson of all trans people. Im not informed enough to take a side, but I think the opinion of a former Olympic athlete who is trans now does hold some weight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 05/02/21 4:13:10 PM #260:	CyricZ posted... By all means pick up where Gov. Justice has floundered. Name the example of a transgender child trying to get an unfair advantage. It doesn't matter what their intent is, they do have an unfair advantage. Especially if they transitioned after puberty --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:953479368] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>By all means pick up where Gov. Justice has floundered. Name the example of a transgender child trying to get an unfair advantage.</quote> It doesn't matter what their intent is, they do have an unfair advantage. Especially if they transitioned after puberty </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 05/02/21 4:13:45 PM #261:	Caitlyn Jenner is following biology/science. Refreshing to see. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:953479391] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Caitlyn Jenner is following biology/science. Refreshing to see. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CouldBeAnAlt 05/02/21 4:15:08 PM #263:	Conflict posted... Damn, shock called it. You guys really don't actually click links and read sources that disprove your narrative, you'd rather just cover your ears and go "nyah nyah, not listening" How else can they justify their hate? --- Fithos lusec wecos vinosec she/her <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:953479435] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Damn, shock called it. You guys really don't actually click links and read sources that disprove your narrative, you'd rather just cover your ears and go "nyah nyah, not listening"</quote>How else can they justify their hate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 05/02/21 4:22:28 PM #264:	Conflict posted... Damn, shock called it. You guys really don't actually click links and read sources that disprove your narrative, you'd rather just cover your ears and go "nyah nyah, not listening" https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/ --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:953479672] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Damn, shock called it. You guys really don't actually click links and read sources that disprove your narrative, you'd rather just cover your ears and go "nyah nyah, not listening"</quote> https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/02/21 4:35:28 PM #265:	SSJPurple posted... I think she is qualified to have an opinion on this debate however she also isnt the queen spokesperson of all trans people. Im not informed enough to take a side, but I think the opinion of a former Olympic athlete who is trans now does hold some weight. You've said this 3 times already --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:953480066] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>SSJPurple posted... </cite> <quote>I think she is qualified to have an opinion on this debate however she also isnt the queen spokesperson of all trans people. Im not informed enough to take a side, but I think the opinion of a former Olympic athlete who is trans now does hold some weight.</quote>You've said this 3 times already </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pus_N_Pecans 05/02/21 4:37:34 PM #266:	I would argue that the opinion of a former Trump supporter who happens to be trans is not a great representative for the advancement of trans folks, but that's just me. --- My arts- https://www.deviantart.com/bleakcreep <cite>Pus_N_Pecans posted [p:953480111] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>I would argue that the opinion of a former Trump supporter who happens to be trans is not a great representative for the advancement of trans folks, but that's just me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 4:37:36 PM #267:	Solid Snake07 posted... It doesn't matter what their intent is, they do have an unfair advantage. Especially if they transitioned after puberty Define "fairness". Regardless, I guess you believe Gov. Justice is wrong, yes? Also do you believe the government should regulate the inclusion of trans women in sports? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953480112] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't matter what their intent is, they do have an unfair advantage. Especially if they transitioned after puberty</quote>Define "fairness". Regardless, I guess you believe Gov. Justice is wrong, yes? Also do you believe the government should regulate the inclusion of trans women in sports? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/02/21 4:43:22 PM #268:	Solid Snake07 posted... https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/ Yeah funny thing about that Gregory was the only female competing in her age group, and on the platform, Gregory performed nine legal lifts. She squatted 314 pounds, benched 233 and dead-lifted 424. Women have lifted more but not in Gregorys age and weight class at an event organized by the 100% Raw organization. So actually, she never set any world records. She also got stripped of the records and wins three days later. In other words, you haven't don't any actual research. You took the first article (one full of a dozen or more tweets, meaning it's more opinion than anything) that is misleading enough that it plays to your personal biases. Source for my quote: https://tinyurl.com/stfusolid --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:953480259] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/</quote>Yeah funny thing about that <quote>Gregory was the only female competing in her age group, and on the platform, Gregory performed nine legal lifts. She squatted 314 pounds, benched 233 and dead-lifted 424. Women have lifted more but not in Gregorys age and weight class at an event organized by the 100% Raw organization.</quote>So actually, she never set any world records. She also got stripped of the records and wins three days later. In other words, you haven't don't any actual research. You took the first article (one full of a dozen or more tweets, meaning it's more opinion than anything) that is misleading enough that it plays to your personal biases. Source for my quote: https://tinyurl.com/stfusolid </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/02/21 4:44:42 PM #269:	>"world record" >only in her weight class for her age division >was also only one competing in her group that day >was stripped of the achievements nearly immediately That's the tl;dr of my last post. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:953480290] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>>"world record" >only in her weight class for her age division >was also only one competing in her group that day >was stripped of the achievements nearly immediately That's the tl;dr of my last post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 4:47:04 PM #270:	Lathis I don't have to ask if he believes government should regulate trans people out of sports. I know his answer is "yes". --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953480351] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Lathis I don't have to ask if he believes government should regulate trans people out of sports. I know his answer is "yes". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 05/02/21 4:51:32 PM #271:	CyricZ posted... Lathis I don't have to ask if he believes government should regulate trans people out of sports. I know his answer is "yes". I'm fine with the government staying out of it. Do you think the government should intervene if female athletics and the organizations that govern them banned mtf trans athletes from participating? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:953480489] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Lathis I don't have to ask if he believes government should regulate trans people out of sports. I know his answer is "yes".</quote> I'm fine with the government staying out of it. Do you think the government should intervene if female athletics and the organizations that govern them banned mtf trans athletes from participating? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pistachio12 05/02/21 4:55:38 PM #272:	Solid Snake07 posted... https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/ https://www.inverse.com/article/55421-caster-semenya-hyperandrogenism-iaaf <cite>pistachio12 posted [p:953480602] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/</quote> https://www.inverse.com/article/55421-caster-semenya-hyperandrogenism-iaaf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/02/21 4:57:10 PM #273:	ROOTFayth posted... oh shit that must mean they have no unfair advantages then I'd like to ban using alien technology to make pizza while we're at it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:953480654] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>ROOTFayth posted... </cite> <quote>oh shit that must mean they have no unfair advantages then</quote> I'd like to ban using alien technology to make pizza while we're at it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 5:03:46 PM #274:	Solid Snake07 posted... I'm fine with the government staying out of it. Do you think the government should intervene if female athletics and the organizations that govern them banned mtf trans athletes from participating? Did you quote the wrong post? I refer you to Title IX of the Education Amendments. I believe government has a role in discouraging discrimination within federally-funded educational institutions. Private organizations do not need to be bound by those. For those we can use our voice. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953480871] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm fine with the government staying out of it. Do you think the government should intervene if female athletics and the organizations that govern them banned mtf trans athletes from participating?</quote>Did you quote the wrong post? I refer you to Title IX of the Education Amendments. I believe government has a role in discouraging discrimination within federally-funded educational institutions. Private organizations do not need to be bound by those. For those we can use our voice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 05/02/21 7:37:51 PM #275:	@shockthemonkey What happened to the donation, dude? https://transequality.org/ I donated here, there's a big button at the top to do so. I really hope more people hop on! --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:953485623] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>@shockthemonkey What happened to the donation, dude? https://transequality.org/ I donated here, there's a big button at the top to do so. I really hope more people hop on!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CouldBeAnAlt 05/02/21 7:39:11 PM #276:	Dude shut the fuck up --- Fithos lusec wecos vinosec she/her <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:953485650] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Dude shut the fuck up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 05/02/21 7:40:54 PM #277:	CouldBeAnAlt posted... Dude shut the fuck up You are free to block me, dude. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:953485701] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CouldBeAnAlt posted...</cite> <quote>Dude shut the fuck up </quote> You are free to block me, dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 8:15:51 PM #278:	Slayer, you're sickening. Most hypocrites would throw a few dollars to a charity and claim that their own discriminatory thoughts are absolved. You're only doing it to appear the victor in an argument. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953486741] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Slayer, you're sickening. Most hypocrites would throw a few dollars to a charity and claim that their own discriminatory thoughts are absolved. You're only doing it to appear the victor in an argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teh_Dr_Phil 05/02/21 8:23:17 PM #279:	--- Yep. <cite>Teh_Dr_Phil posted [p:953486966] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 05/02/21 8:29:07 PM #280:	CyricZ posted... Slayer, you're sickening. Most hypocrites would throw a few dollars to a charity and claim that their own discriminatory thoughts are absolved. You're only doing it to appear the victor in an argument. ...how tf am I a hypocrite? Just because I don't agree with every single thing you agree with? I fully support transgender people of all kinds. Just because I think, in this particular situation, it'd be unfair...I'm a hypocrite? I donated because this whole exchange was frustrating and negative. I was trying to get people to join in and possibly donate as well. Shock straight up welched on it, evidently. I'm not a victor in an argument on the fucking internet, dude. No one won this, it was just a disgusting situation where everyone was being the exact opposite of a great person(myself included, I referred to a lot of people as keyboard warriors out of frustration). No fucking way anyone here was gonna actually apologize. I was trying to be positive and do something positive, even if we were all feeling negative about each other,, and get others to do something positive even if they're still being negative as well. I guess everyone wants nothing more than to be negative. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:953487113] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Slayer, you're sickening. Most hypocrites would throw a few dollars to a charity and claim that their own discriminatory thoughts are absolved. You're only doing it to appear the victor in an argument. </quote> ...how tf am I a hypocrite? Just because I don't agree with every single thing you agree with? I fully support transgender people of all kinds. Just because I think, in this particular situation, it'd be unfair...I'm a hypocrite? I donated because this whole exchange was frustrating and negative. I was trying to get people to join in and possibly donate as well. Shock straight up welched on it, evidently. I'm not a victor in an argument on the fucking internet, dude. No one won this, it was just a disgusting situation where everyone was being the exact opposite of a great person(myself included, I referred to a lot of people as keyboard warriors out of frustration). No fucking way anyone here was gonna actually apologize. I was trying to be positive and do something positive, even if we were all feeling negative about each other,, and get others to do something positive even if they're still being negative as well. I guess everyone wants nothing more than to be negative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 05/02/21 8:30:15 PM #281:	Teh_Dr_Phil posted... I mean you can do more than one thing at a time, of course. Its never been an either-or situation. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:953487141] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Teh_Dr_Phil posted... </cite> <quote></quote> I mean you can do more than one thing at a time, of course. Its never been an either-or situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trappedunderice 05/02/21 8:38:43 PM #282:	As much as I think Caitlyn is a I have to agree, you'd have to be ignorant to ignore basic biology. <cite>trappedunderice posted [p:953487387] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>As much as I think Caitlyn is a I have to agree, you'd have to be ignorant to ignore basic biology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wasssup Now 05/02/21 8:51:01 PM #283:	CyricZ posted... Define "fairness". Regardless, I guess you believe Gov. Justice is wrong, yes? Also do you believe the government should regulate the inclusion of trans women in sports? In cisgender woman sports yes. You're a straight misogynist if you want all genders playing sports together. <cite>Wasssup Now posted [p:953487772] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Define "fairness". Regardless, I guess you believe Gov. Justice is wrong, yes? Also do you believe the government should regulate the inclusion of trans women in sports?</quote> In cisgender woman sports yes. You're a straight misogynist if you want all genders playing sports together. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 9:28:00 PM #284:	Slayer_22 posted... I donated because this whole exchange was frustrating and negative. Your donation was also negative. If you wanted to feel better about the exchange, you'd stop coming back here, rather than try to hold it above everyone else. Wasssup Now posted... In cisgender woman sports yes. You're a straight misogynist if you want all genders playing sports together. Just to repeat, you're okay with the government, whose stance was last codified in Title IX of the Education Amendments that education should be non-discriminatory, to say it's okay to discriminate against ONLY transgender women in particular? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953488829] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>I donated because this whole exchange was frustrating and negative.</quote>Your donation was also negative. If you wanted to feel better about the exchange, you'd stop coming back here, rather than try to hold it above everyone else. Wasssup Now posted... </cite> <quote>In cisgender woman sports yes. You're a straight misogynist if you want all genders playing sports together.</quote>Just to repeat, you're okay with the government, whose stance was last codified in Title IX of the Education Amendments that education should be non-discriminatory, to say it's okay to discriminate against ONLY transgender women in particular? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 05/02/21 9:30:59 PM #285:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... I mean you can do more than one thing at a time, of course. Its never been an either-or situation. In their case, they've only been focusing on one of those things. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:953488914] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean you can do more than one thing at a time, of course. Its never been an either-or situation.</quote>In their case, they've only been focusing on one of those things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 9:32:41 PM #286:	CyricZ posted... Just to repeat, you're okay with the government, whose stance was last codified in Title IX of the Education Amendments that education should be non-discriminatory, to say it's okay to discriminate against ONLY transgender women in particular? Women's sports was created to intentionally bar Men from participating in it. Would you consider that discriminatory? Yes/No? Men's Sports welcomes all to participate in it, Women, Trans-(Men/Women), Cyborgs, etc. Should we go back to a single Sports and remove any "Gender" definition behind Sports in general? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953488969] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Just to repeat, you're okay with the government, whose stance was last codified in Title IX of the Education Amendments that education should be non-discriminatory, to say it's okay to discriminate against ONLY transgender women in particular?</quote>Women's sports was created to intentionally bar Men from participating in it. Would you consider that discriminatory? Yes/No? Men's Sports welcomes all to participate in it, Women, Trans-(Men/Women), Cyborgs, etc. Should we go back to a single Sports and remove any "Gender" definition behind Sports in general? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 9:41:16 PM #287:	First of all, don't answer my question with a question. Second of all: KamenRiderBlade posted... Women's sports was created to intentionally bar Men from participating in it. Women's sports were created because they wanted to play and men ultimately barred them from it. https://thesportjournal.org/article/a-history-of-women-in-sport-prior-to-title-ix/ --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953489206] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>First of all, don't answer my question with a question. Second of all: KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>Women's sports was created to intentionally bar Men from participating in it.</quote>Women's sports were created because they wanted to play and men ultimately barred them from it. https://thesportjournal.org/article/a-history-of-women-in-sport-prior-to-title-ix/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 9:51:25 PM #288:	CyricZ posted... https://thesportjournal.org/article/a-history-of-women-in-sport-prior-to-title-ix/ At its 1973 convention, the NCAA waived the regulation barring women from mens events Regardless of why it happened, Women are allowed to participate in Men's events if they want to. The same logic should apply to Trans-(Men/Women), and anybody with Cyborg/Prosthetic enhancements. There's already a place for all Trans-(Men/Women) to participate, it's in Men's leagues. And, answer my question, do you consider it discriminatory for men to not be able to participate in Women's leagues while Women can participate in Men's leagues? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953489479] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>https://thesportjournal.org/article/a-history-of-women-in-sport-prior-to-title-ix/</quote> <quote>At its 1973 convention, the NCAA waived the regulation barring women from mens events</quote> Regardless of why it happened, Women are allowed to participate in Men's events if they want to. The same logic should apply to Trans-(Men/Women), and anybody with Cyborg/Prosthetic enhancements. There's already a place for all Trans-(Men/Women) to participate, it's in Men's leagues. And, answer my question, do you consider it discriminatory for men to not be able to participate in Women's leagues while Women can participate in Men's leagues? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 9:58:44 PM #289:	KamenRiderBlade posted... And, answer my question, do you consider it discriminatory for men to not be able to participate in Women's leagues while Women can participate in Men's leagues? Yes, by simplest definition. And it's a societally accepted discrimination because of the aforementioned historical discrimination. This country has a lot of historical discrimination to account for. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953489671] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>And, answer my question, do you consider it discriminatory for men to not be able to participate in Women's leagues while Women can participate in Men's leagues?</quote>Yes, by simplest definition. And it's a societally accepted discrimination because of the aforementioned historical discrimination. This country has a lot of historical discrimination to account for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 05/02/21 10:00:11 PM #290:	CyricZ posted... Your donation was also negative. If you wanted to feel better about the exchange, you'd stop coming back here, rather than try to hold it above everyone else. It was negative. I didn't want to feel so negative about a situation like this, so I donated to make it more positive. Yeah, I was being a bit of an ass to others, but I did something good. So it balances it out. I had hoped others would do the same. I already said it's selfish, but I'm fine as long as it's also a net positive. I'm not holding it above anyone else. I was legit excited Shock was gonna donate as I was hoping others would. Solidarity in kindness over such a negative argument. It's kinda fucked up that he didn't, but whatever. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:953489709] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> Your donation was also negative. If you wanted to feel better about the exchange, you'd stop coming back here, rather than try to hold it above everyone else.</quote> It was negative. I didn't want to feel so negative about a situation like this, so I donated to make it more positive. Yeah, I was being a bit of an ass to others, but I did something good. So it balances it out. I had hoped others would do the same. I already said it's selfish, but I'm fine as long as it's also a net positive. I'm not holding it above anyone else. I was legit excited Shock was gonna donate as I was hoping others would. Solidarity in kindness over such a negative argument. It's kinda fucked up that he didn't, but whatever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 05/02/21 10:04:32 PM #291:	Slayer_22 posted... It's kinda fucked up that he didn't, but whatever. "I'm trying to be positive, but man, that shock guy sure sucks, doesn't he?" --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:953489855] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>It's kinda fucked up that he didn't, but whatever.</quote>"I'm trying to be positive, but man, that shock guy sure sucks, doesn't he?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 10:05:05 PM #292:	Slayer_22 posted... I was legit excited Shock was gonna donate as I was hoping others would. Solidarity in kindness over such a negative argument. It's kinda fucked up that he didn't, but whatever. You don't know he didn't. You don't know anything about what he does with his charity, nor any of the rest of us here. You try to frame it as a peace offering, but your attitude towards this shows it as a pissing contest. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953489872] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>I was legit excited Shock was gonna donate as I was hoping others would. Solidarity in kindness over such a negative argument. It's kinda fucked up that he didn't, but whatever.</quote>You don't know he didn't. You don't know anything about what he does with his charity, nor any of the rest of us here. You try to frame it as a peace offering, but your attitude towards this shows it as a pissing contest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 10:05:36 PM #293:	CyricZ posted... Yes, by simplest definition. And it's a societally accepted discrimination because of the aforementioned historical discrimination. This country has a lot of historical discrimination to account for. So if Women don't want Men to participate in their league for "Fair-ness" reasons, and Men's league is welcome to all. Why can't you be happy with that? Have everybody participate in Men's league. If Women don't want Trans-(Men/Women) in their league or men as well, then fine. Come over to the Men's league, we'll welcome you with open arms. If women were to let in Trans-(Men/Women), by that defintion; they would also have to let in Men as well, effectively ruining Women's league for regular women. There's a place for everybody to Compete in all the athletic events you can think of, that's in the Men's leagues. Shouldn't you be happy that everybody can compete in the best league possible? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953489886] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, by simplest definition. And it's a societally accepted discrimination because of the aforementioned historical discrimination. This country has a lot of historical discrimination to account for.</quote>So if Women don't want Men to participate in their league for "Fair-ness" reasons, and Men's league is welcome to all. Why can't you be happy with that? Have everybody participate in Men's league. If Women don't want Trans-(Men/Women) in their league or men as well, then fine. Come over to the Men's league, we'll welcome you with open arms. If women were to let in Trans-(Men/Women), by that defintion; they would also have to let in Men as well, effectively ruining Women's league for regular women. There's a place for everybody to Compete in all the athletic events you can think of, that's in the Men's leagues. Shouldn't you be happy that everybody can compete in the best league possible? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 10:14:16 PM #294:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Why can't you be happy with that? Philosophically, because I'm uncomfortable with the instituted practice of telling trans women that they're not women. Practically, I'm against governments instituting laws discriminating against transgender people, even on this issue, because this year alone has proven that a government that will do that will not stop there: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/15/politics/anti-transgender-legislation-2021/index.html --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953490140] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>Why can't you be happy with that?</quote>Philosophically, because I'm uncomfortable with the instituted practice of telling trans women that they're not women. Practically, I'm against governments instituting laws discriminating against transgender people, even on this issue, because this year alone has proven that a government that will do that will not stop there: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/15/politics/anti-transgender-legislation-2021/index.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackJackCat 05/02/21 10:15:14 PM #295:	"I'm trying to turn a negative into a positive while pointing out others in a negative light." How could anyone mistake this at all for pettiness? --- This issues still comes to mind now and then Cake was baking in the oven and mother was making tea for us <cite>BlackJackCat posted [p:953490172] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>"I'm trying to turn a negative into a positive while pointing out others in a negative light." How could anyone mistake this at all for pettiness? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 10:20:48 PM #296:	CyricZ posted... Philosophically, because I'm uncomfortable with the instituted practice of telling trans women that they're not women. Trans-Women can still be "Women". But this is a Sports First issue, your gender is secondary in sports and only used as a class identifier. It's no different from Weight Class as a segregator on top of Gender Classifications to group people together. Sports is a test of Biology & Hard Work within similar Biological Characteristics. Women's Sports specifically, by regulation doesn't allow Men to participate in it. But Men's Sports is open to all for anybody to come in and participate. Trans-(Women & Men) are already welcomed to Men's sports by default. Work Hard, Succeed on your own merit and athletic ability, come over to the Men's side to participate. Problem solved. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953490348] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Philosophically, because I'm uncomfortable with the instituted practice of telling trans women that they're not women.</quote>Trans-Women can still be "Women". But this is a Sports First issue, your gender is secondary in sports and only used as a class identifier. It's no different from Weight Class as a segregator on top of Gender Classifications to group people together. Sports is a test of Biology & Hard Work within similar Biological Characteristics. Women's Sports specifically, by regulation doesn't allow Men to participate in it. But Men's Sports is open to all for anybody to come in and participate. Trans-(Women & Men) are already welcomed to Men's sports by default. Work Hard, Succeed on your own merit and athletic ability, come over to the Men's side to participate. Problem solved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 10:27:48 PM #297:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Trans-Women can still be "Women". Why are you putting quotes around "women"? KamenRiderBlade posted... Work Hard Do you believe that trans women don't work hard? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953490575] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>Trans-Women can still be "Women".</quote>Why are you putting quotes around "women"? KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>Work Hard</quote>Do you believe that trans women don't work hard? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 10:32:46 PM #298:	CyricZ posted... Do you believe that trans women don't work hard? Depends on each individual, Trans-women should strive to compete against the best of the best. That means come over to the Men's side of competition and prove your self against the best of the best. CyricZ posted... Why are you putting quotes around "women"? Because of the way you emphasized it. CyricZ posted... Philosophically, because I'm uncomfortable with the instituted practice of telling trans women that they're not women. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953490737] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Do you believe that trans women don't work hard?</quote>Depends on each individual, Trans-women should strive to compete against the best of the best. That means come over to the Men's side of competition and prove your self against the best of the best. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you putting quotes around "women"?</quote>Because of the way you emphasized it. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Philosophically, because I'm uncomfortable with the instituted practice of telling trans women that they're not women.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 10:39:52 PM #299:	KamenRiderBlade posted... That means come over to the Men's side of competition and prove your self against the best of the best. As this is available to everyone, the roses you're trying to drape around the concept doesn't really carry the weight you think it does. KamenRiderBlade posted... Because of the way you emphasized it. What's wrong with the way I emphasized it? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953490942] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>That means come over to the Men's side of competition and prove your self against the best of the best.</quote>As this is available to everyone, the roses you're trying to drape around the concept doesn't really carry the weight you think it does. KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>Because of the way you emphasized it.</quote>What's wrong with the way I emphasized it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 10:48:46 PM #300:	CyricZ posted... What's wrong with the way I emphasized it? It lacks "Emphasis". CyricZ posted... As this is available to everyone, the roses you're trying to drape around the concept doesn't really carry the weight you think it does. I think it carries more, you should want to come over to the Men's Leagues to compete. This is the highest level of athletecism in terms of physical accomplishments. If you're a true "Athlete", you want to compete against the "Best of the Best". That means you go to the division that has the highest level of accomplishments, the best records, the best times, the highest weights lifted, etc. Guess where that is? Men's Athletics. You should WANT to come over here. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953491162] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What's wrong with the way I emphasized it?</quote>It lacks "Emphasis". CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>As this is available to everyone, the roses you're trying to drape around the concept doesn't really carry the weight you think it does.</quote>I think it carries more, you should want to come over to the Men's Leagues to compete. This is the highest level of athletecism in terms of physical accomplishments. If you're a true "Athlete", you want to compete against the "Best of the Best". That means you go to the division that has the highest level of accomplishments, the best records, the best times, the highest weights lifted, etc. Guess where that is? Men's Athletics. You should WANT to come over here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 10:54:31 PM #301:	KamenRiderBlade posted... It lacks "Emphasis". Could you be more vague? You don't use quotes for emphasis. You use bold and italics. You could just admit the real reason you put quotes around the word. The same reason most people put quotes around a word. KamenRiderBlade posted... You should WANT to come over here. You're saying no one should want to be in women's sports? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953491364] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>It lacks "Emphasis".</quote>Could you be more vague? You don't use quotes for emphasis. You use bold and italics. You could just admit the real reason you put quotes around the word. The same reason most people put quotes around a word. KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>You should WANT to come over here.</quote>You're saying no one should want to be in women's sports? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 05/02/21 10:58:18 PM #302:	CyricZ posted... You could just admit the real reason you put quotes around the word. The same reason most people put quotes around a word. For "Emphasis". CyricZ posted... You're saying no one should want to be in women's sports? If you're a women who wants to only compete in Women's sports, that's fine. But if you're a true athlete, you wouldn't even want Gender Divisions to exist. You would just compete against the best of the best, bar none. The gender divisions would be removed from the equation. Look at modern Gendered Bathrooms, do we need them at all? Nope, I think we can eradicate it from existence. We can split Public Restrooms into Pee/Poo restrooms with individual private stalls, much more effectively use our existing resources. Why even bother with Gendered restrooms at all? Same with changing Stalls/Rooms. Why bother with Gendered versions, just have individual private Changing Stalls. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:953491470] in Caitlyn Je... [t:79435951]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>You could just admit the real reason you put quotes around the word. The same reason most people put quotes around a word.</quote>For "Emphasis". CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>You're saying no one should want to be in women's sports?</quote>If you're a women who wants to only compete in Women's sports, that's fine. But if you're a true athlete, you wouldn't even want Gender Divisions to exist. You would just compete against the best of the best, bar none. The gender divisions would be removed from the equation. Look at modern Gendered Bathrooms, do we need them at all? Nope, I think we can eradicate it from existence. We can split Public Restrooms into Pee/Poo restrooms with individual private stalls, much more effectively use our existing resources. Why even bother with Gendered restrooms at all? Same with changing Stalls/Rooms. Why bother with Gendered versions, just have individual private Changing Stalls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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