Poll of the Day > I don't understand why your ID can't be expired to buy alcohol

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the law is just you have to be 21, right? Like, the fact that the ID is expired should really be proof that youre over 21, because youve had it long enough to be expired!

My ID expired on the 21st of may and I had renewed it online in April but it never came in the mail. They said on the site it takes 2-4 weeks, but due to covid it might take longer, and they were extending all expired licenses till June or something.

then last week I was like nah this shits taking forever and went to the dmv and they were like oh yeah we fucked up and sent it to the wrong place, heres your temporary one.

so then Im at Safeway and buying alcohol and I show him my ID and hes like thats expired. First of all who the fuck looks at that. I am like I have the paper one in the car I didnt think Id need it, and he was like And I was like okay Ill brb

so unnecessary

The law is only a valid form of ID is proof of age bro, It kinda sucks but that is how it goes.

MICHALECOLE posted...

o then Im at Safeway and buying alcohol and I show him my ID and hes like thats expired. First of all who the fuck looks at that

bitch ass busybody LOSERS

its seriously so annoying. I had some lady give me shit at a concert one time over it after I already bought a drink and I laughed in her face. my id says Im 21, who the fuck looks at that other shit?

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because its a dumb shit letter of the law thing rather than spirit of the law and far too many people are capable of independent thoughts

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Maybe there's something that needs to be scanned? Or it's to crack down on expired IDs in general? I don't carry expired IDs or buy alcohol, so I can't speak to it.

At any rate, maybe you can use this to kick the habit.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

bitch ass busybody LOSERS

its seriously so annoying. I had some lady give me shit at a concert one time over it after I already bought a drink and I laughed in her face. my id says Im 21, who the fuck looks at that other shit?

Seriously thats what I thought. I was like why would you even look at that?

Smarkil posted...

because its a dumb shit letter of the law thing rather than spirit of the law and far too many people are capable of independent thoughts

This is the exact right answer

Zeus posted...

Maybe there's something that needs to be scanned? Or it's to crack down on expired IDs in general? I don't carry expired IDs or buy alcohol, so I can't speak to it.

At any rate, maybe you can use this to kick the habit.

He did not scan it either way so it wasnt that, and many times at Safeway they just ask my date of birth?, and its to crack down on expired ids in general for whom? For the state? For Safeway?

at any rate, that high horse youre on is beautiful. What is its name?

My cousin rang me up with an expired ID. And I didn't even have the ID, I just had a picture of it on my phone. He was just like yeah lemme see and I assumed the only reason it took him so long was that he was just inputting that long ass ID number. no problem

owned

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After it expires you could be ANY age

no way for them to know

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MICHALECOLE posted...

First of all who the fuck looks at that.

Employees who have to as part of their job? You think a Safeway cashier actually gives a shit beyond not getting in trouble at his job? You think he wants to deal with your petulant ass bitching because you couldn't be bothered to carry a valid ID with you? Entitled assholes ITT.

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Once your license expires the name and address shown become incorrect

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Mead posted...

Once your license expires the name and address shown become incorrect

then where did I go?

Better yet, who did I become? o_O

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Soup_or_Science posted...

then where did I go?

Better yet, who did I become? o_O

you stopped being you and deviated into a state of unpersonhood

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Rasmoh posted...

Employees who have to as part of their job? You think a Safeway cashier actually gives a shit beyond not getting in trouble at his job? You think he wants to deal with your petulant ass bitching because you couldn't be bothered to carry a valid ID with you? Entitled assholes ITT.

But he wouldnt get in trouble. And he knows that.

many Safeway cashiers say date of birth? Many Safeway cashiers say, ID? Many Safeway cashiers, mostly younger ones, say, would you mind taking it out of your wallet, I have to scan it.

yes, Ive had all three. If the third one had happened to me, Id have explained the exact same shit, and when he said I cant do that Id be like aight fine gimme a sec Ill grab that shit.

this dude straight looked at the expiration date through my wallet. Didnt even make me take my ID out.

bro. Get over yourself. Im obviously over 21. My shit expired literally two weeks ago. Im super fucking obviously not under 21 years old. I tell you I have the thing in my car. The state of California has extended expired licenses. Im fucking CLEARLY not under 21.

its like, whats the smallest amount of power that can go to somebodys head?

And then I look at this mother fuckers sig and hes a fan of three teams from three parts of the country.

fuckin despicable

Mead posted...

you stopped being you and deviated into a state of unpersonhood

oh.

That sounds about right

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MICHALECOLE posted...

the law is just you have to be 21, right? Like, the fact that the ID is expired should really be proof that youre over 21, because youve had it long enough to be expired!

The main idea is that, if a license is expired, the actual person may have gotten rid of it, and someone else may have taken it and used it to make a fake ID for themselves.

Being a current/valid ID makes it far more likely that it's actually your ID.

You can argue over whether or not that's a realistic concern (especially with more advanced forms of ID these days), but that was the original logic behind the law. It's not petty or random, or designed solely to annoy you.
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It's not petty

except it is. Here is a thing that has my picture, and my birthday, and you can literally see in my face I am not a 20 year old. And you would look at this 99% of the time and be like okay. But since the super random expiration dates (that are different per state), the cashier at safeway
wants to grow some balls over nothing?

Petty.

isn't it weird that people can't use their booze id to vote?

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oh no, minor inconvenience is getting in the way of my poison habit.

Many stores have undercover people come and buy alcohol either with no ID, or expired ones. If they fail the test, they can get reprimanded, or even fired. So you're complaining about someone trying to cover their ass, which is stupid as fuck.
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If it is expired it isnt a valid license. Similarly you cannot use an old ID they punch holes into to make it obvious its not valid.

Working at a liquor store i dont care if it is expired and will generally push the sale through but i warn people we can and do reject people as a result.

MICHALECOLE posted...

except it is. Here is a thing that has my picture, and my birthday, and you can literally see in my face I am not a 20 year old.

You could write your birthday on an index card in crayon and tape your picture to it and that wouldn't magically make it a valid ID.

The entire point is that if it's a valid ID, the person checking it can be more sure that your information was actually checked and vindicated by a trustworthy agency to guarantee you aren't lying. And again, once it expires, it increases the odds that it's not a valid ID.

In the old days, people would literally take someone else's old, expired ID, slice it in a way that allows you to remove the original picture, insert a new one, and then relaminate it. So you could be 14 years old and still have an ID with your picture on it that says you're 27.

Again, you can argue that it isn't as necessary NOW because most government-issued IDs are more sophisticated today (specifically to prevent forgeries), but that's WHY the rules exist in the first place. The assumption is that someone isn't going to give away or sell their current, valid ID for someone else to use as a forgery, and if someone steals your current ID you're more likely to report it missing and get a new one (and the one they stole will only be useful for a short period of time before it expires).



MICHALECOLE posted...

But since the super random expiration dates (that are different per state), the cashier at safeway wants to grow some balls over nothing?

Considering the cashier has almost certainly been instructed that they MUST check IDs and decline expired ones, and can potentially lose their job, be fined, or even risk jail time if they violate the existing rules and get caught, they probably don't give a single solitary fuck over whether or not you feel buttchapped over being asked for a non-expired valid ID. They're not crusading white knights taking it upon themselves to insure that justice is done even if it inconveniences you, they're doing their fucking job.

You do realize that the government will literally send people in to places to attempt to buy alcohol and cigarettes from cashiers and either provide no ID or expired ID just to see if the cashier will sell to them? And if they do, the business can get in a lot of trouble? I actually know a couple business owners who had trouble with this because the bored cashier they hired didn't give a fuck and got caught.

You can complain about the way things are all you want, but it's not really the fault of the people carding you.
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I buy beer at the grocery store I can walk too. They know I'm of legal age to purchase the beer but their policy is to scan my id every time. It's like they are tracking me. Such an invasion of privacy.

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So TC has time to drink but not to renew an ID? Typical.

Rasmoh posted...

Employees who have to as part of their job? You think a Safeway cashier actually gives a shit beyond not getting in trouble at his job? You think he wants to deal with your petulant ass bitching because you couldn't be bothered to carry a valid ID with you? Entitled assholes ITT.

Hes not entitled, though. He already mentioned that he tried to get a valid one a month before it expired. The DMV were the ones that fucked out by sending it to the wrong place... Besides, you dont get younger just because you ID expires...

Millea posted...

oh no, minor inconvenience is getting in the way of my poison habit.

We have no way of knowing if its a habit or not. Not unless he says it is...
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macaroni and cheese

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you could give someone you expired ID to use for illegal activities and keep your own ID for normal purposes.

you are basically an illegal alien until you get your new ID

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

The main idea is that, if a license is expired, the actual person may have gotten rid of it, and someone else may have taken it and used it to make a fake ID for themselves.

Being a current/valid ID makes it far more likely that it's actually your ID.

You can argue over whether or not that's a realistic concern (especially with more advanced forms of ID these days), but that was the original logic behind the law. It's not petty or random, or designed solely to annoy you.

This. A non-expired ID has some record somewhere of it being valid. Once it expires, that's no longer the case, which dramatically increases the risk of it being fraudulent.

MICHALECOLE posted...

But he wouldnt get in trouble. And he knows that.

Not necessarily. If a store isn't doing their due diligence to check IDs, they can have their license to sell liquor revoked, especially if they've recently been caught slacking on that duty. To that end, it's in managers' best interests to make sure their employees are following the rules, up to and including firing them if there's a pattern of non-compliance. Stores stand to lose far more by being penalized for failing to check ID than they do by checking ID, especially where the vast majority of people shopping there are going to have a valid driver's license on them (since that's also a requirement for driving, plus most people keep their ID in the same place as their money).

Is it inconvenient? A little. But it's not like you didn't know there was a chance it'd be needed, and you failed to prepare for that possibility.

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MICHALECOLE posted...

And then I look at this mother fuckers sig and hes a fan of three teams from three parts of the country.

fuckin despicable

so?
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BAHAHAHAHA tc is a huge baby. Awwww didn't get your drinky?

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ahhh, good ol PotD. trying to seem smug and superior in the weirdest way possible. some real fuckin dorks ITT lol

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MICHALECOLE posted...

But he wouldnt get in trouble. And he knows that.

Bullshit. I worked at a Safeway liquor store for 3 years in university. We were visited by agents a few times and were given an evaluation report after they left, not knowing they were agents until after they left and we received the report.

They would try sneaky shit like giving us ID that doesn't legally count (like a college ID).

A coworker of mine was busted for not IDing someone and the store was fined several thousand dollars. In that case, they had a second agent in the store that asked the cashier after she sold the first agent alcohol without ID how old she thought they were. She said "like 22 or 23", which is what resulted in us getting fined since we had to ID under 25.

A liquor store in my town now IDs under 40 because they've apparently been busted a few times, as their employees haven't done a good job of determining if someone is under 25.

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Greenfox111 posted...

BAHAHAHAHA tc is a huge baby. Awwww didn't get your drinky?

https://i.imgur.com/cUBhPee.jpg

this you?

and I havent read one of those long PO posts since like 1994. Once he builds that wall of text I just cant hear him anymore.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

ahhh, good ol PotD. trying to seem smug and superior in the weirdest way possible. some real fuckin dorks ITT lol

Seriously these fuckers will defend anything.

Zeus posted...

At any rate, maybe you can use this to kick the habit.

It's funny how condescending you are about alcohol all the time lol. There's nothing wrong with drinking a couple beers every now and then. Not everyone has a drinking problem

faramir77 posted...

Bullshit. I worked at a Safeway liquor store for 3 years in university. We were visited by agents a few times and were given an evaluation report after they left, not knowing they were agents until after they left and we received the report.

They would try sneaky shit like giving us ID that doesn't legally count (like a college ID).

A coworker of mine was busted for not IDing someone and the store was fined several thousand dollars. In that case, they had a second agent in the store that asked the cashier after she sold the first agent alcohol without ID how old she thought they were. She said "like 22 or 23", which is what resulted in us getting fined since we had to ID under 25.

A liquor store in my town now IDs under 40 because they've apparently been busted a few times, as their employees haven't done a good job of determining if someone is under 25.

Everything youre saying is if theyre trying to not use or use a fake ID. This is a real ID. They would take this ID no questions asked, but then after a certain date (which I was in fact older than I used it before) they wont take it, but its the age that were trying to establish, not the status of my drivers license

lihlih posted...

Many stores have undercover people come and buy alcohol either with no ID, or expired ones. If they fail the test, they can get reprimanded, or even fired. So you're complaining about someone trying to cover their ass, which is stupid as fuck.

No store does that with expired IDs.

MICHALECOLE posted...

this you?

lmfao

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MICHALECOLE posted...

Everything youre saying is if theyre trying to not use or use a fake ID. This is a real ID. They would take this ID no questions asked, but then after a certain date (which I was in fact older than I used it before) they wont take it, but its the age that were trying to establish, not the status of my drivers license

No. My point was that the rules are the rules, and that it's not worth the risk of getting into big shit just to break those rules.

Surely you have another kind of ID. A passport? If you don't, that's on you.

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you did forget adjl though. you cant leave him off

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He makes a good point, Jim. Rules ARE rules.

people should risk losing their jobs so that tc can avoid the minor inconvenience of getting a legal id

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Greenfox111 posted...

people should risk losing their jobs so that tc can avoid the minor inconvenience of getting a legal id

the original post was better, shouldnt have edited it

MICHALECOLE posted...

the original post was better, shouldnt have edited it

It's also funny how wrong it is. You still got your alcohol with
MICHALECOLE posted...

your temporary one.

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Yeah my bad I didn't actually read the op admittedly. So it should've said that people should risk their jobs so that tc can avoid the minor inconvenience of walking 100 feet out to his car and back

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MICHALECOLE posted...

the original post was better, shouldnt have edited it

lmao. I almost would have missed it

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Greenfox111 posted...

people should risk losing their jobs so that tc can avoid the minor inconvenience of getting a legal id

he had accurate identification that was not illegal

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MICHALECOLE posted...

No store does that with expired IDs.

Yes the do, and the fact that you think that they don't proves that you really don't know how shit works.
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lihlih posted...

Yes the do, and the fact that you think that they don't proves that you really don't know how shit works.

Bullshit

It requires a valid ID. An expired license does not count as 'valid'. By accepting an invalid ID to purchase alcohol he's committing a felony which can result in immediate dismissal, fines, and criminal prosecution. It's like if a place only accepts passports as valid if they're from one or two different countries and you come up with a passport from a third, completely different, country. Even if the cashier can see that you are old enough and have proof of it the story policy, and potentially law, says they can't accept said passport so selling it is grounds for dismissal. Sometimes a manager overrides and doesn't care. This is a bad behavior because it teaches the employee that there is no point in standing their ground when they see something shady going on (because the manager will just override it for a quick sale). But most employees will only sell to someone with an invalid ID if they are actively trying to get fired. Anyone with a degree of job loyalty will refuse the sale outright.

Just provide the temp ID. I don't get what the big deal there was and why you didn't present it in the first place.

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