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joe40001 07/16/21 3:06:04 AM #451:	They really think it's safe and praise the shit out of it, give 2 billion doses to over 250 million people, with 0 concern for safety issues. They are offered a contract for 1.2 billion dollars and a bunch of money to create something that is similar but different enough that they can make money off it. They don't get that money if ivermectin exists as a safe alternative They now have safety concerns "I wonder what could possibly be going on!!!!" --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956133948] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>They really think it's safe and praise the shit out of it, give 2 billion doses to over 250 million people, with 0 concern for safety issues.They are offered a contract for 1.2 billion dollars and a bunch of money to create something that is similar but different enough that they can make money off it.They don't get that money if ivermectin exists as a safe alternativeThey now have safety concerns "I wonder what could possibly be going on!!!!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 07/16/21 3:08:06 AM #452:	TetsuoS2 posted... All boxes checked here --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:956133978] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>TetsuoS2 posted... </cite> <quote></quote>All boxes checked here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow20201 07/16/21 3:14:44 AM #454:	joe40001 posted... 1. They really think it's safe and praise the shit out of it, give 2 billion doses to over 250 million people, with 0 concern for safety issues. It's effective for what it's intended for. It's not effective for Covid. 2. They are offered a contract for 1.2 billion dollars and a bunch of money to create something that is similar but different enough that they can make money off it. There is a need for Covid medicine because not enough people are vaccinating and variants are more likely to emerge. Plenty of 'critical thinkers' like yourself also happen to be antivax and/or have a strong anti-pharmaceutical bend. Alternative medicine ahoy! 3. They don't get that money if ivermectin exists as a safe alternative See above. There is a need. The government is offering money to fill that need. 4. They now have safety concerns Of the Covid trials. Dumbass. "I wonder what could possibly be going on!!!!" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34159342/ https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT04405570?term=molnupiravir&draw=1&rank=5 What is your issue with the trials since you're the expert at reading these things? --- czzzzzzzzzz[]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ 'Sir we are surrounded!' 'Excellent, then we can attack in any direction.' <cite>Shadow20201 posted [p:956134064] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>1. They really think it's safe and praise the shit out of it, give 2 billion doses to over 250 million people, with 0 concern for safety issues.</quote>It's effective for what it's intended for. It's not effective for Covid. <quote>2. They are offered a contract for 1.2 billion dollars and a bunch of money to create something that is similar but different enough that they can make money off it.</quote>There is a need for Covid medicine because not enough people are vaccinating and variants are more likely to emerge. Plenty of 'critical thinkers' like yourself also happen to be antivax and/or have a strong anti-pharmaceutical bend. Alternative medicine ahoy! <quote>3. They don't get that money if ivermectin exists as a safe alternative</quote>See above. There is a need. The government is offering money to fill that need. <quote>4. They now have safety concerns</quote>Of the Covid trials. Dumbass. <quote>"I wonder what could possibly be going on!!!!"</quote>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34159342/ https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT04405570?term=molnupiravir&draw=1&rank=5 What is your issue with the trials since you're the expert at reading these things? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 07/16/21 3:23:39 AM #455:	Shadow20201 posted... There is a need for Covid medicine because not enough people are vaccinating and variants are more likely to emerge. Plenty of 'critical thinkers' like yourself also happen to be antivax and/or have a strong anti-pharmaceutical bend. Alternative medicine ahoy! You are so close to getting it. You just have to have cut the wire in your brain that seems to link "drug company gets rich off it" with "legitimate pharmaceutical" and then you'd understand exactly why we shouldn't be shutting down ivermectin. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956134192] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Shadow20201 posted... </cite> <quote>There is a need for Covid medicine because not enough people are vaccinating and variants are more likely to emerge. Plenty of 'critical thinkers' like yourself also happen to be antivax and/or have a strong anti-pharmaceutical bend. Alternative medicine ahoy!</quote> You are so close to getting it. You just have to have cut the wire in your brain that seems to link "drug company gets rich off it" with "legitimate pharmaceutical" and then you'd understand exactly why we shouldn't be shutting down ivermectin. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 07/16/21 3:25:35 AM #456:	joe40001 posted... You are so close to getting it. You just have to have cut the wire in your brain that seems to link "drug company gets rich off it" with "legitimate pharmaceutical" and then you'd understand exactly why we shouldn't be shutting down ivermectin. Nobody is shutting it down. As you have discussed for weeks now they are doing a lot of tests on it and the conclusions are that it may be effective in some ways but would only really be useful in extremely rare circumstances since getting the vaccine is a better option for most people. --- https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:956134220] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>You are so close to getting it. You just have to have cut the wire in your brain that seems to link "drug company gets rich off it" with "legitimate pharmaceutical" and then you'd understand exactly why we shouldn't be shutting down ivermectin.</quote> Nobody is shutting it down. As you have discussed for weeks now they are doing a lot of tests on it and the conclusions are that it may be effective in some ways but would only really be useful in extremely rare circumstances since getting the vaccine is a better option for most people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow20201 07/16/21 3:27:34 AM #457:	joe40001 posted... You are so close to getting it. You just have to have cut the wire in your brain that seems to link "drug company gets rich off it" with "legitimate pharmaceutical" and then you'd understand exactly why we shouldn't be shutting down ivermectin. The half-baked studies of ivermectin are doing a decent job of shutting themselves down without any outside help. --- czzzzzzzzzz[]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ 'Sir we are surrounded!' 'Excellent, then we can attack in any direction.' <cite>Shadow20201 posted [p:956134248] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>You are so close to getting it. You just have to have cut the wire in your brain that seems to link "drug company gets rich off it" with "legitimate pharmaceutical" and then you'd understand exactly why we shouldn't be shutting down ivermectin.</quote>The half-baked studies of ivermectin are doing a decent job of shutting themselves down without any outside help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 07/16/21 3:30:22 AM #458:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Nobody is shutting it down. As you have discussed for weeks now they are doing a lot of tests on it and the conclusions are that it may be effective in some ways but would only really be useful in extremely rare circumstances since getting the vaccine is a better option for most people. It is something that you can be demonitized or lose your channel over on youtube. It is something you can be censored on facebook for. And this topic is full of people shutting it down and calling me all manner of "dumbass" for suggesting it might be effective. I also believe you overestimate how much of the world has easy access to vaccines. I believe you have a reasonable understanding of it and it's potential, however if you do not think it's being shut down I encourage you to say "it might have potential" for even five minutes here or on twitter, you will get chewed out something fierce, if not moderated. I take no issue with your level headed response to it, just the censorship campaign against it and the hostility exhibited by some people here. If everybody was as clear headed about these things as you and some others are, we'd be golden. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956134284] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is shutting it down. As you have discussed for weeks now they are doing a lot of tests on it and the conclusions are that it may be effective in some ways but would only really be useful in extremely rare circumstances since getting the vaccine is a better option for most people.</quote> It is something that you can be demonitized or lose your channel over on youtube. It is something you can be censored on facebook for. And this topic is full of people shutting it down and calling me all manner of "dumbass" for suggesting it might be effective. I also believe you overestimate how much of the world has easy access to vaccines. I believe you have a reasonable understanding of it and it's potential, however if you do not think it's being shut down I encourage you to say "it might have potential" for even five minutes here or on twitter, you will get chewed out something fierce, if not moderated. I take no issue with your level headed response to it, just the censorship campaign against it and the hostility exhibited by some people here. If everybody was as clear headed about these things as you and some others are, we'd be golden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 07/16/21 3:37:58 AM #459:	joe40001 posted... It is something that you can be demonitized or lose your channel over on youtube. It is something you can be censored on facebook for. And this topic is full of people shutting it down and calling me all manner of "dumbass" for suggesting it might be effective. I also believe you overestimate how much of the world has easy access to vaccines. I believe you have a reasonable understanding of it and it's potential, however if you do not think it's being shut down I encourage you to say "it might have potential" for even five minutes here or on twitter, you will get chewed out something fierce, if not moderated. I take no issue with your level headed response to it, just the censorship campaign against it and the hostility exhibited by some people here. If everybody was as clear headed about these things as you and some others are, we'd be golden. The thing is, social media doesn't matter. Yes as you've discussed getting information out to the public is important, but if something like the validity of the vaccinations is "in question" by the general public, Ivermectin and the findings found in some studies is not going to be taken seriously. As for YouTube, Facebook, etc. Etc.... they are companies that give you no rights to just talk about whatever. If they wanted to remove people for talking crap about Trump they could. And while I have no doubts that some people who HAVE talked about it in stupid way or a condescending or misinformation type certainty HAVE had strikes on their account or bans, were you to put a video on YouTube tonight talking about this study, it would be fine. Depends on word choice and purpose. If it is made to call people sheeple for being vaccinated and claiming this is a cure-all breakthrough? Likely it would be taken down. If a scientist reviewed the article and it's findings and made a conclusion on Ivermectin? It would be fine. Intent, purpose, phrasing... all play a role. And now that companies are being held criminally responsible for what is disseminated on their platforms they have to be more cautious than they would have let's say 5 years ago. --- https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:956134381] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>It is something that you can be demonitized or lose your channel over on youtube. It is something you can be censored on facebook for. And this topic is full of people shutting it down and calling me all manner of "dumbass" for suggesting it might be effective. I also believe you overestimate how much of the world has easy access to vaccines. I believe you have a reasonable understanding of it and it's potential, however if you do not think it's being shut down I encourage you to say "it might have potential" for even five minutes here or on twitter, you will get chewed out something fierce, if not moderated. I take no issue with your level headed response to it, just the censorship campaign against it and the hostility exhibited by some people here. If everybody was as clear headed about these things as you and some others are, we'd be golden.</quote> The thing is, social media doesn't matter. Yes as you've discussed getting information out to the public is important, but if something like the validity of the vaccinations is "in question" by the general public, Ivermectin and the findings found in some studies is not going to be taken seriously. As for YouTube, Facebook, etc. Etc.... they are companies that give you no rights to just talk about whatever. If they wanted to remove people for talking crap about Trump they could. And while I have no doubts that some people who HAVE talked about it in stupid way or a condescending or misinformation type certainty HAVE had strikes on their account or bans, were you to put a video on YouTube tonight talking about this study, it would be fine. Depends on word choice and purpose. If it is made to call people sheeple for being vaccinated and claiming this is a cure-all breakthrough? Likely it would be taken down. If a scientist reviewed the article and it's findings and made a conclusion on Ivermectin? It would be fine. Intent, purpose, phrasing... all play a role. And now that companies are being held criminally responsible for what is disseminated on their platforms they have to be more cautious than they would have let's say 5 years ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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joe40001 07/16/21 3:52:31 AM #461:	metallica846 posted... I read the Vanity Fair article. Its true that a lot of shady fucking shit went down before and during the pandemic. Lots of lies and asses that needed to be covered. The truth of the leak or non existent leak does sound plausible. Only reason Im still skeptical is because youd think someone would have come forward about it. Who the fuck knows? Fuck China. Yep. And yep very much fuck china. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956134558] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>I read the Vanity Fair article. Its true that a lot of shady fucking shit went down before and during the pandemic. Lots of lies and asses that needed to be covered. The truth of the leak or non existent leak does sound plausible. Only reason Im still skeptical is because youd think someone would have come forward about it. Who the fuck knows? Fuck China.</quote> Yep. And yep very much fuck china. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 07/16/21 3:16:06 PM #462:	China wants Lab leaks to be the main conversation. That's the big irony of all this. They stand to lose a ton of money if skepticism is placed on the wet markets where this sort of thing happens regularly. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:956149433] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>China wants Lab leaks to be the main conversation. That's the big irony of all this. They stand to lose a ton of money if skepticism is placed on the wet markets where this sort of thing happens regularly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 07/16/21 3:19:04 PM #464:	metallica846 posted... Do you believe the lab leak theory is possible? It's absolutely possible, at least in the sense that a zoonotic disease was transmitted to lab workers and it was covered up. But that's not really what lab leaks is all about. People think gain of function research always necessitates literal genetic modification, which is simply not true --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:956149530] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you believe the lab leak theory is possible?</quote> It's absolutely possible, at least in the sense that a zoonotic disease was transmitted to lab workers and it was covered up. But that's not really what lab leaks is all about. People think gain of function research always necessitates literal genetic modification, which is simply not true </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/16/21 3:23:16 PM #465:	https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1415835355937312771?s=19 This dude is a fucking moron lol. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:956149661] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1415835355937312771?s=19 This dude is a fucking moron lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 07/16/21 3:25:12 PM #466:	So did everybody resolve their differences ITT? Missed a few hundred posts or so --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:956149722] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>So did everybody resolve their differences ITT? Missed a few hundred posts or so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 07/16/21 3:57:20 PM #468:	Jabodie posted... So did everybody resolve their differences ITT? Missed a few hundred posts or so Anything to do with JoeNumbers always result in this mess. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:956150749] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>So did everybody resolve their differences ITT? Missed a few hundred posts or so</quote> Anything to do with JoeNumbers always result in this mess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/16/21 4:05:56 PM #469:	Hasn't @DarkRoast mentioned several times before that the drugs most used to treat COVID are not the most expensive ones? I remember when the same people big on ivermectin and lab leaks were screaming that hydroxychloroquine was a miracle cure and was being suppressed because it wasn't expensive enough. Has @joe40001 ever explained why exactly he thinks the doctor he's arguing with is lying about medicine or what she stands to gain from it? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:956151021] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Hasn't @DarkRoast mentioned several times before that the drugs most used to treat COVID are not the most expensive ones? I remember when the same people big on ivermectin and lab leaks were screaming that hydroxychloroquine was a miracle cure and was being suppressed because it wasn't expensive enough. Has @joe40001 ever explained why exactly he thinks the doctor he's arguing with is lying about medicine or what she stands to gain from it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 07/16/21 4:39:47 PM #470:	hockeybub89 posted... Hasn't @DarkRoast mentioned several times before that the drugs most used to treat COVID are not the most expensive ones? I remember when the same people big on ivermectin and lab leaks were screaming that hydroxychloroquine was a miracle cure and was being suppressed because it wasn't expensive enough. Has @joe40001 ever explained why exactly he thinks the doctor he's arguing with is lying about medicine or what she stands to gain from it? Dexamethasone is the medication with the most proven efficacy, and it's less than half the price of hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. I suspect that any steroid, not just dexamethasone, would probably be just as effective with equivocal dosing, but they haven't been studied as significantly. I only bring that up because dexamethasone is a $4 medication, but prednisone is often completely free. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:956152077] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Hasn't @DarkRoast mentioned several times before that the drugs most used to treat COVID are not the most expensive ones? I remember when the same people big on ivermectin and lab leaks were screaming that hydroxychloroquine was a miracle cure and was being suppressed because it wasn't expensive enough. Has @joe40001 ever explained why exactly he thinks the doctor he's arguing with is lying about medicine or what she stands to gain from it?</quote> Dexamethasone is the medication with the most proven efficacy, and it's less than half the price of hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. I suspect that any steroid, not just dexamethasone, would probably be just as effective with equivocal dosing, but they haven't been studied as significantly. I only bring that up because dexamethasone is a $4 medication, but prednisone is often completely free. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 07/16/21 6:16:46 PM #471:	How Right Wing propaganda cycles work --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB RAM (2666), RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:956155109] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote> How Right Wing propaganda cycles work </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kavatar 07/16/21 7:52:06 PM #472:	I want this topic to get to 500 before Joey posts again, to see if he will create a new topic just to make responses. Not sure what he's basing his faith in IVM on now - the meta-analysis was basically blown up by the retracted paper, and the individual trial he kept citing as sound science was criticized in multiple ways in post #137, to which Joey said he would "go through" but never responded. All he's got now is "just you wait", which is what everyone already knew - there isn't enough evidence yet to support it being effective or useless with any confidence. And honestly, there's not even enough evidence to make it seem that promising. --- The sea was angry that day, my friends. Like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli. <cite>Kavatar posted [p:956157920] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>I want this topic to get to 500 before Joey posts again, to see if he will create a new topic just to make responses. Not sure what he's basing his faith in IVM on now - the meta-analysis was basically blown up by the retracted paper, and the individual trial he kept citing as sound science was criticized in multiple ways in post #137, to which Joey said he would "go through" but never responded. All he's got now is "just you wait", which is what everyone already knew - there isn't enough evidence yet to support it being effective or useless with any confidence. And honestly, there's not even enough evidence to make it seem that promising. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/16/21 7:57:25 PM #473:	The Mods really never modded that post where he made an outright false claim about the origins of covid huh. Even after including in the report a link to an actual scientific study indicating he was wrong and intentionally pushing disinformation. Neat! --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:956158072] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>The Mods really never modded that post where he made an outright false claim about the origins of covid huh. Even after including in the report a link to an actual scientific study indicating he was wrong and intentionally pushing disinformation. Neat!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 07/16/21 8:07:09 PM #474:	Kavatar posted... and the individual trial he kept citing as sound science was criticized in multiple ways in post #137, to which Joey said he would "go through" but never responded. And when I pointed this out to him and that he once again sidestepped critique of it he played dumb and said hes posted many papers --- I feel like Ratatouille when I'm whipping that cheddar <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:956158378] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Kavatar posted... </cite> <quote>and the individual trial he kept citing as sound science was criticized in multiple ways in post #137, to which Joey said he would "go through" but never responded.</quote>And when I pointed this out to him and that he once again sidestepped critique of it he played dumb and said hes posted many papers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 07/17/21 1:05:30 AM #475:	hockeybub89 posted... Has @joe40001 ever explained why exactly he thinks the doctor he's arguing with is lying about medicine or what she stands to gain from it? Are you asking me? Because I can address it if you are. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956166304] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Has @joe40001 ever explained why exactly he thinks the doctor he's arguing with is lying about medicine or what she stands to gain from it?</quote> Are you asking me? Because I can address it if you are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/17/21 2:42:14 AM #476:	joe40001 posted... Are you asking me? Because I can address it if you are. This topic is going to hit 500 regardless, so go on ahead --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:956167959] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>Are you asking me? Because I can address it if you are.</quote>This topic is going to hit 500 regardless, so go on ahead </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 07/17/21 3:17:21 AM #477:	hockeybub89 posted... This topic is going to hit 500 regardless, so go on ahead I do not believe DR is dumb, or lying. I believe they have, like many people, adopted an overly simplistic worldview. This worldview holds that "on important political issues..." "Anybody who disagrees with me is republican" "Anybody who is republican is a trump supporter" "Anybody who is a trump support is dumb, a conspiracy nut, and/or evil" Therefore "I DR do not have to take anybody who disagrees with me seriously". This is why we keep seeing DR and people like her trying to do things like tell me what I believe, tell me my political affiliation, tell me what I'm arguing, etc. For their world to make sense I have to be the person they already made up their minds that I am, and I have to believe the things they already made up their mind that I believe. If they acknowledge that I might be different or that they could be wrong, then they have to engage with a lot more content and people critically, and that does take a fair amount of effort. Many people are comfortable just taking their talking points from other people. And that seems to be what is happening here. In the lab leak topic, DR spent effectively the entire time telling me what I believed. Notice this "that's not what these people believe" post to met just now, or the random reference to republicans. I would speculate that in DR's mind I am a tinfoil trumper who is just getting lucky with some guesses or something. Life gets a lot more messy if not everybody who disagrees with you on important political issues does so because they are dumb or evil. Yet many people for the sake of ease just assume that is what is going on. Anybody who constantly tries to label people as a means of dismissing their argument isn't engaging with the argument critically. That DR still maintains that I claimed things I never claimed about lab leak, or how people like DR say I'm alt-right or anti-vaxx shows this lack of nuance. A desire to dismiss or hate the people who disagree with you is definitely a bi-partisan issue, and it is something I am pretty strongly against. Even if you think "liberal talking points are right 99% of the time so I'll just always defer to them" you are giving up your critical thinking. And that is a compromise that doesn't lead anywhere good IMO. That is why I believe they are throwing out ivermectin. They don't want it to be true because it means they have to worry about more stuff. And the world is a lot more clean if no bad actors or political/financial interests have infiltrated the medical sense-making world. But I think we can see with lab leak that some potentially true things are suppressed for political reasons, and I think in the wake of that, anybody is foolish to not become more vigilant. It's a sympathetic situation to be in though, so on an emotional level I can understand. If DR is a practicing doctor of some kind, I can imagine completely uninformed people coming in and saying "don't give me fluids, there are microchips in them! I only use crystals to heal!" etc. And I can imagine that is frustrating. So people in that position likely value their certificates and anything else that lets them feel like they can freely dismiss the "crazies" who bug them. Anything counter-narrative turning out to be valid threatens that blind sense of authority. Because no longer can they just defer and be sure they are right and the person who doubts them is wrong. So it makes tons of sense why such a person would be incredibly invested in maintaining their gatekeeping ability. I believe this uncritical thinking is upstream of a lot of the worst things we've been seeing in our country, and I do think DR and some others have fallen into it. I don't think that makes them evil or dumb though. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956168426] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>This topic is going to hit 500 regardless, so go on ahead</quote> I do not believe DR is dumb, or lying. I believe they have, like many people, adopted an overly simplistic worldview. This worldview holds that "on important political issues..." "Anybody who disagrees with me is republican" "Anybody who is republican is a trump supporter" "Anybody who is a trump support is dumb, a conspiracy nut, and/or evil" Therefore "I DR do not have to take anybody who disagrees with me seriously". This is why we keep seeing DR and people like her trying to do things like tell me what I believe, tell me my political affiliation, tell me what I'm arguing, etc. For their world to make sense I have to be the person they already made up their minds that I am, and I have to believe the things they already made up their mind that I believe. If they acknowledge that I might be different or that they could be wrong, then they have to engage with a lot more content and people critically, and that does take a fair amount of effort. Many people are comfortable just taking their talking points from other people. And that seems to be what is happening here. In the lab leak topic, DR spent effectively the entire time telling me what I believed. Notice this "that's not what these people believe" post to met just now, or the random reference to republicans. I would speculate that in DR's mind I am a tinfoil trumper who is just getting lucky with some guesses or something. Life gets a lot more messy if not everybody who disagrees with you on important political issues does so because they are dumb or evil. Yet many people for the sake of ease just assume that is what is going on. Anybody who constantly tries to label people as a means of dismissing their argument isn't engaging with the argument critically. That DR still maintains that I claimed things I never claimed about lab leak, or how people like DR say I'm alt-right or anti-vaxx shows this lack of nuance. A desire to dismiss or hate the people who disagree with you is definitely a bi-partisan issue, and it is something I am pretty strongly against. Even if you think "liberal talking points are right 99% of the time so I'll just always defer to them" you are giving up your critical thinking. And that is a compromise that doesn't lead anywhere good IMO. That is why I believe they are throwing out ivermectin. They don't want it to be true because it means they have to worry about more stuff. And the world is a lot more clean if no bad actors or political/financial interests have infiltrated the medical sense-making world. But I think we can see with lab leak that some potentially true things are suppressed for political reasons, and I think in the wake of that, anybody is foolish to not become more vigilant. It's a sympathetic situation to be in though, so on an emotional level I can understand. If DR is a practicing doctor of some kind, I can imagine completely uninformed people coming in and saying "don't give me fluids, there are microchips in them! I only use crystals to heal!" etc. And I can imagine that is frustrating. So people in that position likely value their certificates and anything else that lets them feel like they can freely dismiss the "crazies" who bug them. Anything counter-narrative turning out to be valid threatens that blind sense of authority. Because no longer can they just defer and be sure they are right and the person who doubts them is wrong. So it makes tons of sense why such a person would be incredibly invested in maintaining their gatekeeping ability. I believe this uncritical thinking is upstream of a lot of the worst things we've been seeing in our country, and I do think DR and some others have fallen into it. I don't think that makes them evil or dumb though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/17/21 3:24:14 AM #478:	Joenumbers, getting the real science from the youtubez, unlike you partisan hacks. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:956168507] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Joenumbers, getting the real science from the youtubez, unlike you partisan hacks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soulunison2 07/17/21 3:26:51 AM #479:	Did anyone post the fact that this study was pulled because of ethic concerns? <cite>soulunison2 posted [p:956168546] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Did anyone post the fact that this study was pulled because of ethic concerns? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 07/17/21 3:28:20 AM #480:	soulunison2 posted... Did anyone post the fact that this study was pulled because of ethic concerns? Yeah, it was posted somewhere in this topic --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:956168567] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>soulunison2 posted... </cite> <quote>Did anyone post the fact that this study was pulled because of ethic concerns?</quote>Yeah, it was posted somewhere in this topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/17/21 3:28:39 AM #481:	CableZL posted... Yeah, it was posted somewhere in this topic Several times, in fact --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:956168574] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, it was posted somewhere in this topic</quote>Several times, in fact </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 07/17/21 3:28:57 AM #482:	Dude nobodys reading all that bullshit <cite>What_ posted [p:956168581] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Dude nobodys reading all that bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soulunison2 07/17/21 3:29:23 AM #483:	CableZL posted... Yeah, it was posted somewhere in this topic good, so Joe is just delusional <cite>soulunison2 posted [p:956168587] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, it was posted somewhere in this topic</quote> good, so Joe is just delusional </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frolex 07/17/21 3:34:12 AM #484:	joe40001 posted... loud, sustained masturbatory noises --- https://imgur.com/HOLHd4k https://imgur.com/six2WTN <cite>Frolex posted [p:956168653] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>loud, sustained masturbatory noises</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 07/17/21 3:34:51 AM #485:	posting in legendary flopic <cite>Reis posted [p:956168662] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>posting in legendary flopic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 07/17/21 3:36:18 AM #486:	soulunison2 posted... good, so Joe is just delusional The meta-analysis in the OP was not pulled, none of the things I have linked to have been retracted. The meta-analysis factors in the Egypt study, but there is plenty of evidence outside of it. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956168686] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>soulunison2 posted... </cite> <quote>good, so Joe is just delusional</quote> The meta-analysis in the OP was not pulled, none of the things I have linked to have been retracted. The meta-analysis factors in the Egypt study, but there is plenty of evidence outside of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/17/21 3:38:18 AM #487:	joe40001 posted... The meta-analysis in the OP was not pulled, none of the things I have linked to have been retracted. The meta-analysis factors in the Egypt study, but there is plenty of evidence outside of it. If you exclude that study, pretty much everything becomes indistinguishable from no effect in the meta-analysis you posted. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:956168716] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>The meta-analysis in the OP was not pulled, none of the things I have linked to have been retracted. The meta-analysis factors in the Egypt study, but there is plenty of evidence outside of it.</quote> If you exclude that study, pretty much everything becomes indistinguishable from no effect in the meta-analysis you posted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soulunison2 07/17/21 3:39:17 AM #488:	joe40001 posted... The meta-analysis in the OP was not pulled, none of the things I have linked to have been retracted. The meta-analysis factors in the Egypt study, but there is plenty of evidence outside of it. ah so youre just cherry picking I see <cite>soulunison2 posted [p:956168729] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>The meta-analysis in the OP was not pulled, none of the things I have linked to have been retracted. The meta-analysis factors in the Egypt study, but there is plenty of evidence outside of it.</quote> ah so youre just cherry picking I see </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 07/17/21 3:44:15 AM #489:	soulunison2 posted... ah so youre just cherry picking I see What are are you implying? The studies that do show it has a strong effect are what, magic? Nothing has shown it to be unsafe, there is a lot of evidence showing it could be very helpful, we should continue the studies and in the meantime allow doctors to prescribe it off label. Particularly in places that don't have easy access to vaccines. I don't see any good reason to be rooting against it. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:956168791] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>soulunison2 posted... </cite> <quote>ah so youre just cherry picking I see</quote> What are are you implying? The studies that do show it has a strong effect are what, magic? Nothing has shown it to be unsafe, there is a lot of evidence showing it could be very helpful, we should continue the studies and in the meantime allow doctors to prescribe it off label. Particularly in places that don't have easy access to vaccines. I don't see any good reason to be rooting against it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/17/21 3:44:54 AM #490:	https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1415824651578609668?s=19 --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:956168803] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1415824651578609668?s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/17/21 3:47:16 AM #491:	joe40001 posted... What are are you implying? The studies that do show it has a strong effect are what, magic? This is why you shouldn't think you have the skills to interpret the scientific literature lol. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:956168835] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>What are are you implying? The studies that do show it has a strong effect are what, magic?</quote> This is why you shouldn't think you have the skills to interpret the scientific literature lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 07/17/21 4:11:52 AM #492:	If you want to be received with nuance maybe you should make better arguments --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:956169146] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>If you want to be received with nuance maybe you should make better arguments </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow20201 07/17/21 4:36:36 AM #493:	Maybe the real treasure in this topic is all the friends we've made along the way. --- czzzzzzzzzz[]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ 'Sir we are surrounded!' 'Excellent, then we can attack in any direction.' <cite>Shadow20201 posted [p:956169395] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Maybe the real treasure in this topic is all the friends we've made along the way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 07/17/21 5:00:13 AM #494:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSigo9jT1I --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump https://RightWingWatch.org https://reddit.com/r/BreadTube https://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:956169642] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSigo9jT1I</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/17/21 6:16:49 AM #495:	There had better not be another topic about this. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:956170424] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>There had better not be another topic about this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 07/17/21 6:25:12 AM #496:	UnholyMudcrab posted... There had better not be another topic about this. you know there's gonna be a part 2 <cite>Reis posted [p:956170522] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>There had better not be another topic about this.</quote> you know there's gonna be a part 2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedJackson 07/17/21 6:28:12 AM #497:	HEY --- https://imgur.com/ibuqBTh - https://imgur.com/L5vXdS5 https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - <cite>RedJackson posted [p:956170558] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>HEY </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedJackson 07/17/21 6:28:24 AM #498:	Hm --- https://imgur.com/ibuqBTh - https://imgur.com/L5vXdS5 https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - <cite>RedJackson posted [p:956170561] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Hm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrankJaegr 07/17/21 6:28:45 AM #499:	Dirty --- Slayer_22: https://imgur.com/JAcnMxU BlueMage279: https://imgur.com/vyYwAkF <cite>FrankJaegr posted [p:956170564] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Dirty </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrankJaegr 07/17/21 6:28:51 AM #500:	Dancing --- Slayer_22: https://imgur.com/JAcnMxU BlueMage279: https://imgur.com/vyYwAkF <cite>FrankJaegr posted [p:956170565] in Ivermectin... [t:79531697]...</cite> <quote>Dancing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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