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Rharyx211
06/30/21 7:26:03 PM
#52:


pegusus123456 posted...
Lamentis is on the Sacred Timeline. By 2077, Heimdall was long dead and Asgard was long gone.
I thought this was all happening right after Loki escaped in the parallel 2012. Like, that branch timeline was destroyed but it was still 2012.

I mean, I get the TVA exist outside of time or whatever, but I guess I missed the part where it said what year the show was taking place in.

EDIT: Oh wait, yeah, they were on the planet Lamentis specifically in 2077. Whoops. Never mind.

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KogaSteelfang
06/30/21 7:28:08 PM
#53:


Rharyx211 posted...
I thought this was all happening right after Loki escaped in the parallel 2012. Like, that branch timeline was destroyed but it was still 2012.

I mean, I get the TVA exist outside of time or whatever, but I guess I missed the part where it said what year the show was taking place in.
The Lamentis stuff was 2077 iirc. The Roxxcart one was 2050. He might have managed escaping from the Renaissance fair that way, but that would've just resulted in another erased timeline and him being caught again.

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masterpug53
06/30/21 7:28:39 PM
#54:


Now that I think about it, *minor future theory spoilers* I'm betting the NYC shown is a pruned reality where Loki and the Chitauri won during the first Avengers - this is most likely a Sakaar-esque dumping ground of pruned alternate timelines, so everything from variants to Slyvie's toy viking ship end up here.

tbh I don't really like reading or contributing to theorizing since it usually ends up ruining the fun, but this is a pretty minor observation and I wanted to write it down on the off chance that I'm right.

Rharyx211 posted...
I thought this was all happening right after Loki escaped in the parallel 2012. Like, that branch timeline was destroyed but it was still 2012.

I mean, I get the TVA exist outside of time or whatever, but I guess I missed the part where it said what year the show was taking place in.

The only reason I personally noticed it was 2077 was because that's the year the world ends via nuclear armageddon in the Fallout universe, lol.

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Akagami_Shanks
06/30/21 8:07:07 PM
#55:


Rharyx211 posted...
tbf, at any point in time, Loki could've just yelled for Heimdall to bifrost them off of the planet. But that would require paying Idris Elba for a TV show cameo (or disappoint fans by having someone else operate the bifrost cuz it was Heimdall's "day off" or whatever), and I knew they weren't going to do that.

But it's still all I was thinking of the entire time watching these last two episodes.
how to say you didn't watch infinity war without saying it

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SevenTenths
06/30/21 8:20:18 PM
#56:


PatrickMahomes posted...
otherwise i must have missed something
Well you see episode 3 needed a cliff hanger and episode 4 needed to resolve it unsatisfyingly. As the writers guild requires.

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InfinityMonster
06/30/21 8:21:59 PM
#57:


Calling it now.

They're all Loki including the TVA.

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SevenTenths
06/30/21 8:22:04 PM
#58:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
how to say you didn't watch infinity war without saying it
How to say you can't read without saying it

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/30/21 8:26:57 PM
#59:


PatrickMahomes posted...
this makes the most sense tbh but yeah basically they would have to touch, realize they got new powers, and use said powers to, y'know, not die

Which might add some context behind the mid-credits scene....Loki (as in all of them) become more powerful if they get in contact with another Loki.

Also fuck I hate having to wait until next week

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/30/21 8:29:56 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Now that I think about it, *minor future theory spoilers* I'm betting the NYC shown is a pruned reality where Loki and the Chitauri won during the first Avengers - this is most likely a Sakaar-esque dumping ground of pruned alternate timelines, so everything from variants to Slyvie's toy viking ship end up here.

I'm thinking this is exactly right.

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BLAKUboy
06/30/21 8:49:42 PM
#61:


InfinityMonster posted...
Calling it now.

They're all Loki including the TVA.
It's all coming up Loki!

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
06/30/21 9:15:50 PM
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I don't think they're all Loki variants, cause wouldn't Sylvie have figured that out as she enchanted people?

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
06/30/21 9:27:54 PM
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Though, Ravonna could be a Loki variant, one who did take over the TVA and is using enchantment magic to rule over it?

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_MorningStar
06/30/21 9:31:04 PM
#64:


Great episode. I was so upset when they "killed Mobius" but I'm hoping after the post credits scene it isn't true.

I didn't like B-12 all that much to begin with, but this episode really made me like her. "I looked happy" legit choked me the fuck up.

I was hoping Old Man Loki would be the villian but that would be top simple. This show is fucking fantastic. Probably the best MCU outings not Avengers or BP. Really like the relationship between Loki and Sylvie.

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/30/21 9:59:01 PM
#65:


I just realized the massive domino effect of Loki escaping custody with the Tesseract.

Loki never ends up in a position to usurp Odin's throne. Odin's powers never fade away during his exile on Earth, which means he doesn't die, which means Hela is rendered a non-issue, which means Thor doesn't unleash Surtur on Asgard causing Ragnarok to happen. The Asgardians don't have to flee in a ship and most importantly, never become a direct target for Thanos because they presumably wouldn't have the tesseract. And if we take it a step further, maybe this entire chain of events results in Thanos never getting to snap half of all life out of existence at all. The Avengers don't lose, the world/universe doesn't fall into a state of disarray and chaos for 5 years, Iron-Man doesn't die, Cap doesn't end up an old man, Thor doesn't end up a depressed wreck.

Maybe the TVA is all an elaborate scheme to keep the heroes of the universe weak enough to be overpowered by somebody like Kang or whoever is truly behind the TVA.

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BeyondWalls
06/30/21 11:27:00 PM
#66:


InfinityMonster posted...
Calling it now.

They're all Loki including the TVA.
I mean, Loki is clearly the wizard of oz here. He's the man behind the curtain. Loki is the Time Keeper. It's so blatantly obvious.

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TurtleInFreedom
07/01/21 1:47:44 AM
#67:


masterpug53 posted...
Now that I think about it, *minor future theory spoilers* I'm betting the NYC shown is a pruned reality where Loki and the Chitauri won during the first Avengers - this is most likely a Sakaar-esque dumping ground of pruned alternate timelines, so everything from variants to Slyvie's toy viking ship end up here.

tbh I don't really like reading or contributing to theorizing since it usually ends up ruining the fun, but this is a pretty minor observation and I wanted to write it down on the off chance that I'm right.

That's a pretty good theory. Makes you wonder why Old Loki said you better hurry up in that scene.
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g0ldie
07/01/21 1:52:37 AM
#68:


was the black dude after the credits also an alternate Loki, because he made me think of Thor, since he had the hammer

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pegusus123456
07/01/21 1:56:13 AM
#69:


The hammer he had looked like it was made out of spare parts, so I don't know if it's Thor.

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PatrickMahomes
07/01/21 1:56:25 AM
#70:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Loki never ends up in a position to usurp Odin's throne. Odin's powers never fade away during his exile on Earth, which means he doesn't die, which means Hela is rendered a non-issue, which means Thor doesn't unleash Surtur on Asgard causing Ragnarok to happen. The Asgardians don't have to flee in a ship and most importantly, never become a direct target for Thanos because they presumably wouldn't have the tesseract. And if we take it a step further, maybe this entire chain of events results in Thanos never getting to snap half of all life out of existence at all. The Avengers don't lose, the world/universe doesn't fall into a state of disarray and chaos for 5 years, Iron-Man doesn't die, Cap doesn't end up an old man, Thor doesn't end up a depressed wreck.
It is crazy how all this works, but it doesn't change the fact that Loki still had the Tesseract, so the only real difference would be Thanos attacking Asgard on Asgard rather than Thanos attacking the Asgardian ships right after Ragnarok.

Of course, there is a possibility Thanos could lose to the Asgardians since it's their home turf, but given the strength of his army in Endgame (which was 2011 Thanos and his 2011 army), I don't think that would be likely.

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indica
07/01/21 2:00:52 AM
#71:


g0ldie posted...
was the black dude after the credits also an alternate Loki, because he made me think of Thor, since he had the hammer
I thought he was a Thor too. Not having read any of the comics, what's up with crocodile Loki? lol

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g0ldie
07/01/21 2:01:18 AM
#72:


pegusus123456 posted...
The hammer he had looked like it was made out of spare parts, so I don't know if it's Thor.
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g0ldie
07/01/21 2:09:53 AM
#73:


indica posted...
I thought he was a Thor too. Not having read any of the comics, what's up with crocodile Loki? lol
I know these are all likely references longtime comic fans can enjoy, but now I wanna see all the different kinda Lokis, and know their deal

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indica
07/01/21 2:10:52 AM
#74:


g0ldie posted...
I know these are all likely references longtime comic fans can enjoy, but now I wanna see all the different kinda Lokis, and know their deal
Me too! I hope that's the next epi...

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g0ldie
07/01/21 2:16:40 AM
#75:


I mean more like, we get to see them more fleshed out sometime later on (something like multiple episodes dedicated to the variants).

but I just looked, and I guess besides the kid, and maybe the old guy, the dude with the hammer (Boastful Loki) and Reptile Loki aren't their own characters in the comics.

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Shablagoo
07/01/21 2:22:06 AM
#76:


Btw where ep 4 spoilers do I recognize young Sylvie from?? I know she was in something but I cant remember what

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cuttin_in_farm
07/01/21 2:30:42 AM
#77:


Shablagoo posted...
Btw where ep 4 spoilers do I recognize young Sylvie from?? I know she was in something but I cant remember what


She plays Judith in TWD apparently.

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Goatsensation
07/01/21 2:35:39 AM
#78:


And young Rey in Star Wars

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indica
07/01/21 2:56:16 AM
#79:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
She plays Judith in TWD apparently.

Goatsensation posted...
And young Rey in Star Wars
Girl's got a resume

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PatrickMahomes
07/01/21 4:04:26 PM
#80:


also something i notice every single time -- every time tom is like on his knees or looking down or whatever (like after getting punched or knocked down), while looking down, he'll look up and whip his hair back in a dramatic fashion to get it out of his face

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UnfairRepresent
07/01/21 6:54:10 PM
#81:


The show is all over the place and dumb.

But at least it dodged the "It was all a dream" bullet.

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Medussa
07/01/21 7:05:52 PM
#82:


if you don't like it, go find something else to enjoy. either way, stop trying to pick a fight. it's gotten well past the point of tiresome.

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Opisseus
07/01/21 7:07:46 PM
#83:


I haven't read any of these threads. I watched the first episode when it came out and thought it was phenomenal. The second episode I thought was garbage, so I skipped the 3rd the week it came out. Decided to give it ango finally, also watched 4. I like tom Hiddleston but holy shit this show sucks >_>

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UnfairRepresent
07/01/21 7:10:07 PM
#84:


Opisseus posted...
I haven't read any of these threads. I watched the first episode when it came out and thought it was phenomenal. The second episode I thought was garbage, so I skipped the 3rd the week it came out. Decided to give it ango finally, also watched 4. I like tom Hiddleston but holy shit this show sucks >_>
It really is a mess

It's a shame because the people involved seem passionate but the writing is so poor

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Smashingpmkns
07/01/21 7:24:11 PM
#85:


I like the show but God damn Tom Hiddleston really needs to step it up. Owen Wilson is (or was, hopefully he comes back after that post credits reveal) carrying this show.
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IfGodCouldDie
07/01/21 8:23:47 PM
#86:


UnfairRepresent posted...
It really is a mess

It's a shame because the people involved seem passionate but the writing is so poor
When you're agreeing with an 8 karma alt that has 250 posts.

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UnfairRepresent
07/02/21 4:22:35 AM
#87:


Smashingpmkns posted...
I like the show but God damn Tom Hiddleston really needs to step it up. Owen Wilson is (or was, hopefully he comes back after that post credits reveal) carrying this show.
Yeah he's really letting the side down

Doesn't even feel like Loki

IfGodCouldDie posted...
When you're agreeing with an 8 karma alt that has 250 posts.
When you have no retort so you obsess over Karma.

He's not wrong.

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ZevLoveDOOM
07/02/21 4:40:29 AM
#88:


at first, the show looked and sounded promising. now its just boring my ass off, specially with the messy writing and some of the corniest dialogue i ever heard...
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IfGodCouldDie
07/02/21 5:17:46 AM
#89:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah he's really letting the side down

Doesn't even feel like Loki

When you have no retort so you obsess over Karma.

He's not wrong.
There is no retort to be made, because I have no intention of implying that a piss poor opinion is worthy of a dignified response.

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UnfairRepresent
07/02/21 6:06:02 AM
#90:


lol

"I don't have no intention of responding to an opinion that is poor (simply because if is different to mine) so instead I will at length use fallacies to degrade the view while running from it and expend a ton more time than it would take to have a conversation to instead justify why I won't!"

You're so full of it. Full fanboy nonsense

The show is awfully written and Loki doesn't feel or act like loki..You can enjoy it all you like but these are completely valid criticisms

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Medussa
07/02/21 6:07:51 AM
#91:


Medussa posted...
if you don't like it, go find something else to enjoy. either way, stop trying to pick a fight. it's gotten well past the point of tiresome.


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UnfairRepresent
07/02/21 6:20:53 AM
#92:


No one is "picking a fight" except you being so needlessly hostile and rude

People are just talking about the show. Some disagree with you

grow up. If you don't like discussion leave the topic, don't insult everyone and insist only your thoughts are allowed.

I think you might be more at home in a Dark Souls 2 subreddit than here

Can you with a straight fanboy face seriously claim the Loki in this is the same performance we saw in Thor 1 and Avengers?

And even if you enjoy it, can you seriously claim the writing/plot is tight, elegant and intelligent with characters doing things that make sense for understandable reasons?

I don't think you can. Even if you like the show There's no harm in acknowledging that.

I liked Mortal Kombat Conquest but it was kinda shit

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Chicken
07/02/21 7:22:32 AM
#93:


isn't the whole point of the show to keep Loki from doing his usual Loki things?

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littlebro07
07/02/21 9:08:58 PM
#94:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Doesn't even feel like Loki


well

Chicken posted...
isn't the whole point of the show to keep Loki from doing his usual Loki things?

this

before now we always see Loki as a powerful being with a plan, that may or may not work, but he always feels confident and in control.

now hes in a position where hes powerless and confused

I love it

also I yelled NOOO when they pruned Mobius. His final speech about where in time hed go was heartbreaking.

Then I cheered when I realized hes definitely still alive

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Zeeak4444
07/02/21 9:26:44 PM
#95:


UnfairRepresent posted...
No one is "picking a fight" except you being so needlessly hostile and rude

People are just talking about the show. Some disagree with you

grow up. If you don't like discussion leave the topic, don't insult everyone and insist only your thoughts are allowed.

I think you might be more at home in a Dark Souls 2 subreddit than here

Can you with a straight fanboy face seriously claim the Loki in this is the same performance we saw in Thor 1 and Avengers?

And even if you enjoy it, can you seriously claim the writing/plot is tight, elegant and intelligent with characters doing things that make sense for understandable reasons?

I don't think you can. Even if you like the show There's no harm in acknowledging that.

I liked Mortal Kombat Conquest but it was kinda shit

they developed Loki much the same way they did in Thor 3 but since they didnt leave him the same as he was in his first two movies I dont like it!

is a weird take to have.

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cuttin_in_farm
07/02/21 10:05:28 PM
#96:


I mean someone can develop and have character development while still feeling like the same guy.

The Loki in this show definitely seems lamer.

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daynlokki
07/02/21 10:13:25 PM
#97:


UnfairRepresent posted...
No one is "picking a fight" except you being so needlessly hostile and rude

People are just talking about the show. Some disagree with you

grow up. If you don't like discussion leave the topic, don't insult everyone and insist only your thoughts are allowed.

I think you might be more at home in a Dark Souls 2 subreddit than here

Can you with a straight fanboy face seriously claim the Loki in this is the same performance we saw in Thor 1 and Avengers?

And even if you enjoy it, can you seriously claim the writing/plot is tight, elegant and intelligent with characters doing things that make sense for understandable reasons?

I don't think you can. Even if you like the show There's no harm in acknowledging that.

I liked Mortal Kombat Conquest but it was kinda shit
Well I mean its not the same Loki, not anymore. Hell, this one knows he caused the death of his adoptive mother personally. That alone will drastically change you. Loki loved that woman.

We are also 4 episodes in, stop expecting to understand exactly what is going on when you are essentially halfway through a movie.
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Smashingpmkns
07/02/21 10:15:38 PM
#98:


My comment wasn't about Loki as a character. Tom Hiddleston is phoning this role in so far. Also whoever us choreographing his action scenes needs to do better too. It's like a high school level musical production.
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littlebro07
07/03/21 2:26:19 AM
#99:


So we have confirmation through this show that multiple versions of Loki exist from different universes now exist and are interacting with each other

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littlebro07
07/03/21 2:46:11 AM
#100:


Just saw a theory on tiktok that all of the episodes are based on an infinity stone:

Episode 1 - Soul. Lots of orange in this episode. We see a new side to Loki, that he has a soul and cares for people and has actual emotions

Episode 2 - Reality. Lots of red in this episode. Loki is questioning whats real, whos real, etc.

Episode 3 - Power. Lots of purple in this episode. Loki and Sylvie show off a lot of new powers. They spend much of the episode looking for a power source.

Episode 4 - Mind. Lots of yellow/gold in this episode. Loki changes Mobiuss mind and Sylvie changes B-15s mind about the TVA

Two episodes left. Two stones left. Space and Time.

Oh and another video about Ravonna. In the opening of this weeks episode her call sign is A-23. Her first appearance in the comics was Avengers #23, where Kang the Conquerer professed his love to her and she shot his ass down.

So many cool details in this show

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Medussa
07/03/21 2:49:36 AM
#101:


littlebro07 posted...
Just saw a theory on tiktok that all of the episodes are based on an infinity stone:

Episode 1 - Soul. Lots of orange in this episode. We see a new side to Loki, that he has a soul and cares for people and has actual emotions

Episode 2 - Reality. Lots of red in this episode. Loki is questioning whats real, whos real, etc.

Episode 3 - Power. Lots of purple in this episode. Loki and Sylvie show off a lot of new powers. They spend much of the episode looking for a power source.

Episode 4 - Mind. Lots of yellow/gold in this episode. Loki changes Mobiuss mind and Sylvie changes B-15s mind about the TVA

Two episodes left. Two stones left. Space and Time.

Oh and another video about Ravonna. In the opening of this weeks episode her call sign is A-23. Her first appearance in the comics was Avengers #23, where Kang the Conquerer professed his love to her and she shot his ass down.

So many cool details in this show

that's really neat. the ruins from the trailers seem to have a blue filter, too. definitely has some potential. not sure if it'll be more than an easter egg, though.

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