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Bass_X0
07/18/21 3:48:03 PM
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https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Staff_Officer_Black

Seems like an outdated derogatory racist stereotype to me.

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Hayame Zero
07/18/21 3:49:05 PM
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Yes, and Officer Black isn't even the worst thing.

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SauI_Goodman
07/18/21 3:50:57 PM
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I mean its not like dbz had mr popo or anything

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TheSavageDragon
07/18/21 3:52:20 PM
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They changed him to be less of a caricature in the Dragonball Path To Power movie.
Around that same time (early 2000s) Shaman King was airing with Chocolove as part of the main cast....
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KeeperOfShadows
07/18/21 3:56:04 PM
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A bit, though I can't deny I find his design hilarious.

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Irony
07/18/21 4:06:40 PM
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He was a pretty cool fighter. He actually sent Goku into a wall.

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nfearurspecimn
07/18/21 4:08:04 PM
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I always thought it was. It was kind of a hard watch tbh.

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metralo
07/18/21 4:09:19 PM
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A lot of anime, even today, is very racist.

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Ryuko_Chan
07/18/21 4:09:35 PM
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Irony posted...
He was a pretty cool fighter. He actually sent Goku into a wall.
this

yeah his design is stereotypical but I dont think it was malicious for this reason

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 4:23:03 AM
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It's racist, perverted and misogynist.

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 4:23:56 AM
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Irony posted...
He was a pretty cool fighter. He actually sent Goku into a wall.

I don't recall. Goku kicked his ass in a straight fight, which is why he got in a mech.

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257Loner
07/19/21 4:30:28 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Staff_Officer_Black

Seems like an outdated derogatory racist stereotype to me.
People these days are so quick to throw the whole book at anything offensive. But that's assuming the absolute worst intentions about someone else. At the very least, that cartoon character looks like a thoughtless caricature. But that might come from mere ignorance rather than all the accusations you jumped to, like "derogatory" or "racist".

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JaleelWhite
07/19/21 4:45:53 AM
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257Loner posted...

People these days are so quick to throw the whole book at anything offensive. But that's assuming the absolute worst intentions about someone else. At the very least, that cartoon character looks like a thoughtless caricature. But that might come from mere ignorance rather than all the accusations you jumped to, like "derogatory" or "racist".


bro this is the exact type of argument used to defend mammy dolls

shut the fuck up
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pegusus123456
07/19/21 4:46:03 AM
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I mean, it's pretty blatant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-VoslZpQ_o

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257Loner
07/19/21 4:54:12 AM
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JaleelWhite posted...
bro this is the exact type of argument used to defend mammy dolls

shut the fuck up
Wrong. Jumping to the worst conclusions about others is the exact type of attitude that inflames debates and causes people to mindlessly riot. Blessed are the peacemakers. The malcontent don't care if they judge or inflame others, and look at the state of our country today. Wise peacemakers didn't cause our nation's messes.

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CinderLock
07/19/21 5:09:15 AM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
I mean its not like dbz had mr popo or anything
He was also in ball

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 5:17:08 AM
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257Loner posted...
People these days are so quick to throw the whole book at anything offensive. But that's assuming the absolute worst intentions about someone else. At the very least, that cartoon character looks like a thoughtless caricature. But that might come from mere ignorance rather than all the accusations you jumped to, like "derogatory" or "racist".

It's not ignorance; Toriyama isn't stupid. Japan has a history of being racist towards black people.

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L_S_P
07/19/21 5:18:07 AM
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Japanese. Nuff said. Culture is a bitch. Culture is the root of all problems. Yes, I mean all cultures. Especially the one that is yelling the loudest.

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257Loner
07/19/21 5:18:26 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
It's not ignorance; Toriyama isn't stupid. Japan has a history of being racist towards black people.
This isn't a real debate if we're allowed to label a whole nation as racist. Count me out.

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 5:21:46 AM
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I'm not saying everyone in Japan is racist. But if a Japanese person creates something blackface, they're probably racist.

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Rapid99
07/19/21 5:23:20 AM
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257Loner
07/19/21 5:25:20 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
I'm not saying everyone in Japan is racist. But if a Japanese person creates something blackface, they're probably racist.
That cartoon character looks like a caricature, and since there aren't many black people in Japan, it's probably easy for them to ignorantly make a caricature of black people rather than try to understand them and fairly represent them in a cartoon.

So sloppy, careless work at the very least.

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Guide
07/19/21 5:25:49 AM
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JaleelWhite posted...
bro this is the exact type of argument used to defend mammy dolls

shut the fuck up

You're not making sense. There's an entirely different context to mammy dolls.

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257Loner
07/19/21 5:27:20 AM
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Moreover, some Dr. Seuss books got taken out of school circulations for featuring Chinese caricatures. But that doesn't mean Dr. Seuss was racist. It means he didn't thoughtfully enough represent the Chinese correctly as cartoon characters.

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MrToothHasYou
07/19/21 5:27:27 AM
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is his name in the Japanese cut actually Burakku Sanbo because goddamn

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2Pacavelli
07/19/21 5:29:04 AM
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L_S_P posted...
Japanese. Nuff said. Culture is a bitch. Culture is the root of all problems. Yes, I mean all cultures. Especially the one that is yelling the loudest.

Black face came from white supremacist culture and was exported worldwide. So white supremacy is the root of all problems to be all the way real
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spikethedevil
07/19/21 5:30:59 AM
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metralo posted...
A lot of anime, even today, is very racist.

Examples? @metralo

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shnangyboos
07/19/21 5:32:14 AM
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No. Dragon Bull on the other hand, very racist.

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I4NRulez
07/19/21 5:32:30 AM
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I love DBZ but they were definitely full of racist depictions of black people. A lot of old animes are. That's why black people claim piccolo over any of the actual black characters. The only one who wasnt was Uub.

but i don't think ignorance is a good excuse here. The civil rights movement was worldwide news. There's been a lot of stories of racism to black people in a lot of asian countries.

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pegusus123456
07/19/21 5:32:57 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Examples? @metralo
Sister Krone from Promised Neverland.

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 5:34:10 AM
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257Loner posted...
That cartoon character looks like a caricature, and since there aren't many black people in Japan, it's probably easy for them to ignorantly make a caricature of black people rather than try to understand them and fairly represent them in a cartoon.

So sloppy, careless work at the very least.

No, Toriyama's just a racist piece of shit. He's not totally clueless of other cultures.

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spikethedevil
07/19/21 5:37:24 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
No, Toriyama's just a racist piece of shit. He's not totally clueless of other cultures.

Japan pretty much was clueless about black face and golliwogs back in the 80s when the original DB was a thing.

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Guide
07/19/21 5:37:49 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
That's why black people claim piccolo over any of the actual black characters.

What other black characters? You gonna call Popo relevant?

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 5:39:51 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Japan pretty much was clueless about black face and golliwogs back in the 80s when the original DB was a thing.

No, they fucking weren't.

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electricbugs2
07/19/21 5:40:50 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Japan pretty much was clueless about black face and golliwogs back in the 80s when the original DB was a thing.
90's too. Jynx from Pokmon was literally a feminine Popo.

Think the internet has changed things a bit because I don't see this style of character much in newer anime. Granted Japan still makes a lot of black characters speak like stereotypical rappers, so there's definitely some racism, but I honestly think this was just a style that didn't translate well to the west, and then fell out of favour when anime became huge over here.

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spikethedevil
07/19/21 5:41:39 AM
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Oh god that Jynx Christmas episode was bad

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electricbugs2
07/19/21 5:42:48 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Oh god that Jynx Christmas episode was bad
It's a guilty pleasure for me. Finding out Santa is a fucking Pokemon trainer was just too much.

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 5:43:25 AM
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Toriyama is a misogynist, perverted, racist and talentless piece of trash.

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SomeLikeItHoth
07/19/21 5:45:37 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Toriyama is a misogynist, perverted, racist and talentless piece of trash.

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RickyTheBAWSE
07/19/21 5:46:59 AM
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Toriyama is culturally ignorant and buys into sterotypes for the sake of humor, but he's never shown that he was trying to be malicious.
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257Loner
07/19/21 5:56:22 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Toriyama is a misogynist, perverted, racist and talentless piece of trash.
Misogynist? I dunno. His cartoons seem to broadcast quite the admiration for women.

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 5:58:44 AM
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He's a fucking pervert who writes women as nothing more than useless sex objects, or just plain useless bitches. That's why all the female characters in Dragon Ball are garb.

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Iron-Tarkus
07/19/21 6:05:35 AM
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257Loner posted...
People these days are so quick to throw the whole book at anything offensive. But that's assuming the absolute worst intentions about someone else. At the very least, that cartoon character looks like a thoughtless caricature. But that might come from mere ignorance rather than all the accusations you jumped to, like "derogatory" or "racist".
It can be all of those things at the same time. He can have the best intentions in mind and itd still be a racist caricature.

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257Loner
07/19/21 6:05:52 AM
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He's written positive female characters like Chichi, a strong mother, and Pan, a cheerful courageous young lady. He's also included bimbos in his cartoons. And unless I'm mistaken, bimbos actually exist in real life. He's Mr. Equal Opportunity and includes them all.

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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 6:08:08 AM
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No, Chichi is a stereotypical bitch and a housewife whose only purpose was to have Goku's babies. That's a terrible depiction of a woman. And he did nothing with Pan; he ended the series as soon as she was introduced. Toei made GT, and Pan was just an annoying brat there.

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257Loner
07/19/21 6:09:48 AM
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No, I disagree. I love Chichi and Pan. Some people like to whitewash human behavior. I think Toriyama paints a realistic portrait of how humanity actually is. And that might be disappointing to some. But Toriyama is, after all, only a cartoonist, and not a novelist.

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257Loner
07/19/21 6:13:37 AM
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Do you really hate Dragon Ball to death? Most anime is childish and foolish. Which anime possibly lives up to your standards?

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Kanaya413
07/19/21 6:16:29 AM
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electricbugs2 posted...
It's a guilty pleasure for me. Finding out Santa is a fucking Pokemon trainer was just too much.
Wait what
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Scotty_Rogers
07/19/21 6:18:11 AM
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257Loner posted...
No, I disagree. I love Chichi and Pan. Some people like to whitewash human behavior. I think Toriyama paints a realistic portrait of how humanity actually is.

LMAO, no, he doesn't. He just writes stereotypes because he's a talentless hack.

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pegusus123456
07/19/21 6:18:49 AM
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Kanaya413 posted...
Wait what
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Santa_Claus

Wait what

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