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burns112233
07/18/21 6:00:15 PM
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Could he lift Thor's hammer in Avengers 2, but decided not to make Thor feel bad?
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bnui_ransder
07/18/21 6:01:11 PM
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Yeah, the capatin is nice

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Tyranthraxus
07/18/21 6:01:15 PM
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burns112233 posted...
Could he lift Thor's hammer in Avengers 2, but decided not to make Thor feel bad?
He probably didn't care about Thor's feelings but more so everyone else if they figured out he could lift it.

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_BlueMonk
07/18/21 6:01:47 PM
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yeah

maybe

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Pandamonic
07/18/21 6:01:48 PM
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Carpathian 'Murica

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AlCalavicci
07/18/21 6:03:15 PM
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He was being modest.

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pegusus123456
07/18/21 6:10:12 PM
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I don't think so. Even with superhuman reflexes, I think he'd have picked it up before he both realized he could and decided he didn't want to show anyone else up.

But Endgame probably retconned it into him being nice.
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Laserion
07/18/21 6:13:40 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I don't think so. Even with superhuman reflexes, I think he'd have picked it up before he both realized he could and decided he didn't want to show anyone else up.
What if he already planned for it, and just tested it?

Also, was Vision worthy? Or was he just an elevator or a crane?

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GranAures
07/18/21 6:16:24 PM
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One could make the argument of him being too nice going by the comics apparently. Reason being is, as I've heard, the only catch in Cap being "worthy" is purely in the fact that he's not in a constant gung-ho fight mode or something like that as such when you turn off the "nice" he becomes worthy.

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Xerun
07/18/21 6:17:28 PM
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Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor

Youre either worthy or youre not. There isnt a middle ground.

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I4NRulez
07/18/21 6:18:46 PM
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According to the director or writers i forget who it was the guilt of Tony's parents death that made him unworthy.

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Tyranthraxus
07/18/21 6:33:26 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
According to the director or writers i forget who it was the guilt of Tony's parents death that made him unworthy.

That was some pretty shitty writing then since he didn't even know about it when he moved the hammer the first time.

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KingThing
07/18/21 6:35:34 PM
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You can't nudge or slightly move Mjolnir. It's all or nothing with that hammer. So the moment he felt it budge, he immediately started to pretend.

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pegusus123456
07/18/21 6:36:28 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I4NRulez posted...
According to the director or writers i forget who it was the guilt of Tony's parents death that made him unworthy.

That was some pretty shitty writing then since he didn't even know about it when he moved the hammer the first time.

He did.
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masterpug53
07/18/21 6:41:34 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That was some pretty shitty writing then since he didn't even know about it when he moved the hammer the first time.

*Winter Soldier Spoilers* When Zola is showing the clip video of how Hydra has secretly been shaping the world over the years, a newspaper clipping of Howard Stark's death is briefly shown, alongside photos of the Winter Soldier. It was pretty obvious then that Hydra had him assassinated, most likely via the Winter Soldier; it was easy enough to infer that I went in to Civil War knowing that would be a major plot point. If Cap didn't himself didn't figure it out then, he would have shortly thereafter, likely before the events of AoU.

Not saying that I agree with or defend the rationale here as to why he couldn't lift the hammer, but Cap knew about the event in question by that point.

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Tyranthraxus
07/18/21 6:42:58 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
He did.
How? Even Tony didn't know the wreck wasn't an accident. Bucky obviously wouldn't have told him. The only other person who knew was Zemo and Tony's parents were still alive when Steve was frozen.

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saspa
07/19/21 12:57:07 PM
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masterpug53 posted...


*Winter Soldier Spoilers* When Zola is showing the clip video of how Hydra has secretly been shaping the world over the years, a newspaper clipping of Howard Stark's death is briefly shown, alongside photos of the Winter Soldier. It was pretty obvious then that Hydra had him assassinated, most likely via the Winter Soldier; it was easy enough to infer that I went in to Civil War knowing that would be a major plot point. If Cap didn't himself didn't figure it out then, he would have shortly thereafter, likely before the events of AoU.

Not saying that I agree with or defend the rationale here as to why he couldn't lift the hammer, but Cap knew about the event in question by that point.

Just rewatched that scene, and am reminded how amazing winter soldier really was. Great movie. Also yeah it totally could have been implied that winter soldier was responsible for the starks' accident even then. So I like this explanation.
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DB_Insider
07/19/21 1:01:31 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
He was being modest.
-atk +sp atk

Not a good nature for a physical attacker
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ViewtifulGrave
07/19/21 1:09:02 PM
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KingThing posted...
You can't nudge or slightly move Mjolnir. It's all or nothing with that hammer. So the moment he felt it budge, he immediately started to pretend.
Yup, thats why Thor got scared.

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Proto_Spark
07/19/21 1:11:18 PM
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I thought because Cap wasn't taking it seriously, he wasn't "truly worthy", the nudge basically was to tell you that he would be if it was ever in a situation that actually justified it (like in Endgame).

Its a little different if he's trying to lift Thor's hammer for little more than a drinking game.
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Jiek_Fafn
07/19/21 1:13:33 PM
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He fluctuated between worthy and not worthy during the movement

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fan357
07/19/21 1:14:07 PM
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You can clearly see it move. He was being modest.

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BeyondWalls
07/19/21 1:14:43 PM
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We could also just assume that the magic safeguards on the hammer started to diminish after Odin died. This isnt the comics.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
07/19/21 1:15:24 PM
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Steve did not want to show off, the hammer is a you can or you cant black and white. Knowing he could is all he cared about as you see the moment he stops trying and fakes it which if you watch Thors face he clearly was going oh shit.

The dude could have just picked it up but that is not who he is, remember he also just wants to be out having a good time with the team.

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OldHorrorGuy
07/19/21 1:15:27 PM
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Cap wasn't worthy because of his self doubt and worries over bucky.

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Lokison
07/19/21 1:15:39 PM
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I stand by he could have lifted it, but as soon as he felt it move, he just stopped right away. He didnt WANT the hammer, and had no idea what it would mean if he did pick it up; would his friend Thor become essentially useless? What would everyone else that tried think?

The thing about Tony's Parents could have been part of it too though.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
07/19/21 1:19:03 PM
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Thors feelings are what were in Steves mind, and again he did not want the hammer, so he was content knowing he could.

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OldHorrorGuy
07/19/21 1:20:59 PM
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Better debate, but could Widow have lifted it?

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g0ldie
07/19/21 1:21:14 PM
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I say yes, and that's why *Endgame spoilers* he felt confident that he could wield it

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LightHawKnight
07/19/21 1:27:08 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
We could also just assume that the magic safeguards on the hammer started to diminish after Odin died. This isnt the comics.

If that is true, then why would cap be able to use the lightning powers since the hammer doesn't actually give any powers, Thor isnt the god of hammers.

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Shezarr
07/19/21 1:27:10 PM
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I thought it was blatantly clear as soon as I saw AOU that he was just pretending he couldnt. How is this even a discussion years later?

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monkmith
07/19/21 1:29:20 PM
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doesn't thor give him a solid look while he's "trying" to lift the hammer? seemed like thor at least knew he was whiffing the attempt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3bhQwY0KCY

also, is this clip doctored because it looks way more floaty then i remember the movie to be.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
07/19/21 1:36:40 PM
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Thor knows Steve could lift in in AOU, he shows this via his face in shock, Steve then adjusts his grip and fakes it.

Steve has no reason to embarrass or fuck with Thors ego which is the point.

Natasha probably could lift it too but does not care about it as she said.

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ViewtifulGrave
07/19/21 1:48:41 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
We could also just assume that the magic safeguards on the hammer started to diminish after Odin died. This isnt the comics.
Odin is still alive in AoA.

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Seaman_Prime
07/19/21 1:57:41 PM
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If he did choose to pretend, then the hammer wouldnt see him as worthy anyways
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Holy_Cloud105
07/19/21 1:57:55 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
According to the director or writers i forget who it was the guilt of Tony's parents death that made him unworthy.
No, this is wrong. In an Ask Me Anything thread on Reddit, the Russo brothers said he knew he could lift it in Age of Ultron but chose not to so he wouldn't embarrass Thor.

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Lokison
07/19/21 2:03:57 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
Odin is still alive in AoA.
Yea, but he wasnt alive in Endgame.

Still a moot point.

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Xethuminra
07/19/21 2:05:10 PM
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No.

He was quite literally waiting for the right moment to strike (the finale)

Never reveal a tactical advantage early unless theres good reason
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Xerun
07/19/21 5:45:34 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
Better debate, but could Widow have lifted it?

Endgame spoilers
im going to say yes. She constantly fought back against villains who were multiple times stronger than her and was willing to give her own life to protect Hawkeye and try save everyone.

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Proto_Spark
07/19/21 5:48:58 PM
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Xerun posted...
Endgame spoilers
im going to say yes. She constantly fought back against villains who were multiple times stronger than her and was willing to give her own life to protect Hawkeye and try save everyone.

Also in the comics, Widow has lifted the hammer before
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Notti
07/21/21 2:11:04 AM
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Guerrilla Soldier
07/21/21 2:34:44 AM
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not yet but getting there

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008Zulu
07/21/21 4:00:22 AM
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Xethuminra posted...
No.

He was quite literally waiting for the right moment to strike (the finale)

Never reveal a tactical advantage early unless theres good reason
Unless Thanos had spycams in Stark Tower, what edge is being given away?

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Xethuminra
07/21/21 4:01:15 AM
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The edge against Thor

you dont think Cap trusted any of them do you?
Look what happened in Civil War
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008Zulu
07/21/21 6:04:43 AM
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Thor wasn't in Civil War.

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Xethuminra
07/21/21 6:17:13 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Thor wasn't in Civil War.
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Rapid99
07/21/21 6:25:14 AM
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KingThing posted...
You can't nudge or slightly move Mjolnir. It's all or nothing with that hammer. So the moment he felt it budge, he immediately started to pretend.

It's this.

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2SweetforTurtle
07/21/21 6:26:45 AM
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Xethuminra posted...
The edge against Thor

you dont think Cap trusted any of them do you?
Look what happened in Civil War

Steve isnt Batman. Steve trusted everybody. Thats literally the point of TWS. He was under culture shock the more time he spent around Fury and Widow, after realizing how much they lied to him through his first few years knowing them. By Civil War, Steves only major distrust was in Government, politicians, etc. He literally says the safest hands are still our own when asked to sign the Accords so that theres a governing body in charge of punishing super heroes. Steve trusted the Avengers.

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Xethuminra
07/21/21 6:37:37 AM
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I mean, bro......

Yes, Im sure youre correct. And they were literally just setting up Endgame where Cap wields the hammer..... at the end of the day thats what that was & as well as depicting the bonding between the team, playing on Thors primitive personality with Caps coy goodwill.

On that note, the Avengers was & is depicted as a group of people who share little common ground in terms of ideology & Cap pretty much abandons them at one point. Hulk, Iron Man, Thor are not people Steve should trust with his life right off the bat. So? Sure by Civil War he does, and it falls apart anyway, and he is not slow to go AWOL rogue. In AOU? I sincerely doubt it. I think theres numerous scenes where Captain America calls into question the allegiance & sanity of every original Avenger except Black Widow who I guess he was supposed to identify with?

Thats what makes it so powerful whenever he makes a call to arms for the Avengers, despite everything they had been through.

I dont trust you. And I shouldnt. But were all in this together. ~ thats Captain America

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