Poll of the Day > In addition to other benefits intermittent fasting may help defend against cov

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165247820303497?via%3Dihub

Imagine not intermittent fasting in the year of our lord 2021

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Dont tell me what to do!

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It looks like they havent started the review yet?

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You can't see the typeset/edited version through the journal if you don't have access to the article. You should be able to see the online-only version hosted by NCBI:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7351063/

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Remind me, "intermittent fasting" is eating the same amount of daily food, but during a shorter, restricted, part of the day?

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I got COVID terribly while I was IF lmao. I was sick for 2 months.


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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Remind me, "intermittent fasting" is eating the same amount of daily food, but during a shorter, restricted, part of the day?

Yes, only defined by a long (12+, often 16 hour) duration with zero calories. Essentially only water, tea and coffee with zero adulterants.

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Jen0125 posted...

I got COVID terribly while I was IF lmao. I was sick for 2 months.

Without IF you might be dead

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It seems to me that the review is saying.

Autopaghy, which is a process that recycles degraded and damaged organelles or other cellular parts. Has benefits to the immune system.

It is also decreased during a nutrient rich environment and increased during a nutrient low environment.

So they supposed that by fasting you would increase autopaghy and therefore better equip yourself to fight off an infection such as covid.

There was also a mention of reducing inflammation by fasting as well, which can help immune response.

However, it seems there is no experimental trial done to confirm or deny it would help against covid ( they specifically say covid but i did not see experiments referenced for general infection either)

It also says it is strongly advised not to do IF if you already have covid.

Is this right? I dont understand most of the biochemical terms.

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Clench281 posted...

Yes, only defined by a long (12+, often 16 hour) duration with zero calories. Essentially only water, tea and coffee with zero adulterants.

Which just sounds horrendous. I need breakfast to function. Also, eating everything I need to function in a day, thus ignoring snacks, in less time, will just upset my stomach. I eat slowly and meals are spread out over the day to help with it as well.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Which just sounds horrendous. I need breakfast to function.

In the immortal words of blizzard... You think you do, but you don't

DrPrimemaster posted...

It seems to me that the review is saying

Yes, pretty much what you summarized

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I do 16/8, I'm told I'm a peasant-tier IFer and vastly inferior to our godoverlord OMADers, but it works for me.

jiffdiff posted...

I do 16/8, I'm told I'm a peasant-tier IFer and vastly inferior to our godoverlord OMADers, but it works for me.

I don't see how OMAD is possible unless you're actively trying to be in a caloric deficit. I can cram in about 2000 kcal in a single meal over an hour if I'm focused. There's no way I could get 3800 kcal in a single meal while getting enough fiber. So yeah, OMAD might work if you're overweight and trying to lose fat, but don't see it working for me trying to maintain.

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Clench281 posted...

In the immortal words of blizzard... You think you do, but you don't

I know what happens when I skip breakfast.

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jiffdiff posted...

OMADers

One Manatee to Arule DemAll ers

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

I know what happens when I skip breakfast.

How many days in a row have you skipped breakfast?

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Clench281 posted...

How many days in a row have you skipped breakfast?

Not many, the effects of low blood sugar are not something I like to prolong.

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Oh, no wonder. You can't expect your metabolism to suddenly reprogram itself. It may take a couple weeks to become adapted.

Being concerned about having stable blood glucose should actually convince you to do intermittent fasting, seeing as that's one of the best studied and well-established benefits.

Yes, it takes willpower/discipline to get there, but you can do it.


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Unless you're literally diabetic, of course

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Clench281 posted...

Unless you're literally diabetic, of course

It does run in the family.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

It does run in the family.

Sorry to hear. Diagnosed with Type I? Don't do IF.

Otherwise, not yet diagnosed with Type II? IF helps prevent its development/progression.


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While I have many familial problems myself, as of yet, diabetes is not one of them.

Those problems combined with keeping up mental health, I really would not want to do something that would definitely make me miserable for a couple of weeks, for uncertain results.

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I don't see how this will help with the Children of the Vault.

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I'm too lazy to read, have they controlled for the effects of weight on Covid outcomes in identifying this correlation?

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adjl posted...

I'm too lazy to read, have they controlled for the effects of weight on Covid outcomes in identifying this correlation?

It isn't a study, they're just saying that this might be worth looking into and it would make sense for it to be true.

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I like how skipping meals is healthy if you give it a new name
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I like how skipping meals is healthy if you give it a new name

this is what I was going to ask. so, if I'm just lazy and eat only one meal a day, does that mean I'm "intermittent fasting"?

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I like how skipping meals is healthy if you give it a new name

Aren't millennials clever

Sahuagin posted...

if I'm just lazy and eat only one meal a day, does that mean I'm "intermittent fasting"?

So long as you're truly not consuming any calories at other times, yes. The no snacking part is what gets a lot of people.

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DrPrimemaster posted...

It isn't a study, they're just saying that this might be worth looking into and it would make sense for it to be true.

Oh. Well then, it would make sense for it to be true and it might be worth looking into, but I'm skeptical that there'd be any appreciable improvement above the baseline improvement associated with better-managed weight. As an effective way to manage weight, IF would be a decent strategy to access that benefit, but I don't know that attributing any Covid resistance to it directly is reasonable.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

I like how skipping meals is healthy if you give it a new name

Skipping meals is mostly just unhealthy because it destabilizes your eating schedule (it's generally good for you to eat around the same times every day) and you end up with an unhealthy caloric deficit. If you're making sure you still get enough calories for the day and your eating schedule remains reasonably consistent, you can certainly skip meals healthily.

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I feel like a couple years ago there were a lot of people saying even intermittent fasting would permanently change how your metabolism works in a negative way, but in all my searching Ive never been able to find much more than hearsay to back up that claim.

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Mead posted...

I feel like a couple years ago there were a lot of people saying even intermittent fasting would permanently change how your metabolism works in a negative way, but in all my searching Ive never been able to find much more than hearsay to back up that claim.

I think you mean "positive way" ?

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Clench281 posted...

I think you mean "positive way" ?

no these folks were insisting it would screw it up, I think they were just making crap up

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You and your stupid, shitty gimmicks, Clench. You know what? I'm done. There's no point in taking you seriously because everything you do is a goof so I'm just ignoring you.

Maybe I'll block you as well. I don't fucking know.

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Zeus posted...

You and your stupid, shitty gimmicks, Clench. You know what? I'm done. There's no point in taking you seriously because everything you do is a goof so I'm just ignoring you.

Maybe I'll block you as well. I don't fucking know.

What a comically strong reaction to an innocuous thread.

Thank God

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Clench281 posted...

So long as you're truly not consuming any calories at other times, yes. The no snacking part is what gets a lot of people.

hmm, the only thing would be one or two coffees in the AM. usually with coffee mate, sometimes cream.

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Sahuagin posted...

hmm, the only thing would be one or two coffees in the AM. usually with coffee mate, sometimes cream.

Coffee mate is going to be breaking the fast. Cream also will break your fast, but if it's pure cream (zero carbs) it's at least not going to kick you out of ketosis.

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So does this mean there is finally a benefit to being too poor to afford food?

Silver lining then.

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Zeus posted...

You and your stupid, shitty gimmicks, Clench. You know what? I'm done. There's no point in taking you seriously because everything you do is a goof so I'm just ignoring you.

Maybe I'll block you as well. I don't fucking know.

Of all the interactions you could have with Clench that might justify blocking him so you cut down on the number of scientifically literate people you have to see disagreeing with you on this board, this is perhaps one of the least plausible ones you could have chosen. I don't think you're going to manage to save any face here.

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