Current Events > Mechanics in genres that don't need to exist.

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kirbymuncher posted...

more games need these honestly, it's cool being totally surprised by a segment of the game just transforming into something else entirely

Yeah but if it's done poorly it just sucks

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kirbymuncher posted...

more games need these honestly, it's cool being totally surprised by a segment of the game just transforming into something else entirely

It's fine if they aint too hard. But like i suck at rythm based games so I got pretty frustrated with a mini game in kingdom hearts birth by sleep

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TheRadiant posted...

Yeah but if it's done poorly it just sucks

perhaps the same could be said of all mechanics

anyway my answer to the topic title is lives. in games that aren't trying to emulate the arcade-y 1CC feel

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Why is Flamethrower when Fire Blast has 100% accuracy? In Pokemon you can usually choose to use 100% accurate moves or not.

Fire Blast only has five uses. If an enemy actually uses an attack like sand attack or causes a sandstorm, now there should be risk because someone actually implemented purposely strategy. Missing should be an intentional mechanic. Not an innate one.

marthsheretoo posted...

Nah, the tradeoff between a stronger, less accurate attack and a weaker attack that's guaranteed to hit makes good tension/decision points.

No it doesnt, imo. In Fire Emblem, I pretty much ONLY use iron weapons in the hardest difficulty because they are the only ones that wont miss. Theres no tension at all. Its just the game forcing you to use a specific tool instead.

s0nicfan posted...

Missing is fine as long as it's positional. So you can pretty much guarantee a 100% hit rate if you hit them from behind, but that means exposing your own back to the enemy. Or characters with shields get a higher miss rate if you decide to stand in front of them and attack directly at their shield.

See, this is great to me. You should have to create the scenario in which you can dodge/miss. Not just have it be happening for no reason.

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I am. Its games. Youre cherry picking. In actual combat, you can guard things too. Yet most rpgs have no way to guard without manually doing so.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

I am. Its games. Youre cherry picking. In actual combat, you can guard things too. Yet most rpgs have no way to guard without manually doing so

Turn based final fantasies did actually. In practice it was the same as an attack missing but Shields where usually reserved for characters with low evasion anyways

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Status effects. In almost every game their in. Most of the time it's poorly balanced at best, or completely underpowered or treated as a afterthought at worst. Why slowly poison a enemy to death when I could one shot them all with a atk, or spell?

Then there's the elemental weakness mechanic. Again most of the time it's poorly balanced and usually a clutch for devs to try and add complexity to their combat system where there is none.

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i hate missing from 10 feet away because of percentages

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

XP and leveling in 90% of video games that arent strictly turn based RPGs

Its fine as long as they dont make it grindy and its simply locking off abilities or something. Like you should naturally unlock everything before the end of the game for example but you have the choice to grind to become more op earlier.

I dont like grinding even in rpgs. I dont wanna do it in fps

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

XP and leveling in 90% of video games that arent strictly turn based RPGs

Even in turn-based RPGs, this needs to basically be a way to tie learning abilities to game progression rather than anything that remotely favors grinding.

e.g. If it is easy to overlevel in your game without putting in a ton of effort to do so, you have horribly, horribly failed in your design. You either need an incredibly sharp exp curve or (usually easier to do) something like a 90% or 99% exp penalty applied once you're approaching overleveled. Systems that let you lower your level are okay but annoyingly fiddly because they tend to be accompanied by overleveling again at an rapid rate.

I absolutely hate it when games have an interesting battle system that completely ruins itself because the player outlevels any challenge in the first few hours of the game simply because they don't run from every random fight.

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I'm not sure I've ever played a game that feels like you end up drastically overlevelled just by playing normally. I've defnitely played the opposite, though


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Those cards in back for blood.

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Turn based, menu based combat needs to die. It was only introduced as a hardware limitation, this is some bullshit.

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less than 1% drop rate/encounter rate of anything in any genre.
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ToadallyAwesome posted...

Bullet sponges. They arent fun.

I second this. I don't like the concept of enemies doing more damage while you do less damage to them. I would like to do the same amount of damage they're able to do. It makes it a bit more fun to me that way. I am still at a disadvantage since I wouldn't be overpowered at the beginning of the game until I get far enough into the game to be overpowered. I'm still learning about the mechanics and dying a few times will help me learn.


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Questionmarktarius posted...

Status effects that are meaningless in random encounters, and intentionally useless in bossfights.

This is why I loved Bravely Default. Status could work on bosses. Most of them were human, so naturally they can be poisoned. The chances of it connecting wasn't too high, but it worked. Only human outright immune was a class that specified in toxins, which actually makes sense.

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Umbreon posted...

This is why I loved Bravely Default. Status could work on bosses. Most of them were human, so naturally they can be poisoned. The chances of it connecting wasn't too high, but it worked. Only human outright immune was a class that specified in toxins, which actually makes sense.

Etrian Odyssey is good for this too. You can get special rewards for killing them with certain statuses too.
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Battles you cant win but the game doesn't give you a clue so you end up wasting items.

Not a mechanic per say but clearly kicking ass in gameplay only for the cutscene to show you got whooped instead. (I accept it if there is some explanation like they where toying with you or the made a comeback)

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

They can have those things without random garbage.

Randomization is basically the foundation of RPGs.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

no, its not fine, in 90% of games its tacked on with zero thought in order to extend playtime and give you the shiny ooh number go up reward when the number is usually so meaningless as to not make a difference. Its a cancer that has spent the last two generations infecting every genre for the worse

Why I said if it dosent cause a need for a grind. That kinda eliminates your whole gripe.

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Tripping in Smash Bros

Bosses you're supposed to lose to
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

I didnt say the word grind anywhere in my post.

Yes. But I brought it up as the only negative aspect of having a level up system. Otherwise its just a feel good mechanic that can be largely ignored unless you wanna look up stuff like "at what level do I get...."

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I thought this was gonna be about guys who worked on cars being in the wrong storylines/genres

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Its not the only negative aspect though. Shit that you should have at the start of the game gets locked behind it (Ghost of Tsushima), constant menuing for near-negligible upgrades takes you out of the experience (Control), often forces you to go out of you way to search and slow the pace of the game to a halt for upgrades (GoW 2018), and it just generally is a huge timewaster tacked into games that would otherwise have perfectly solid gameplay loops without this artificial lengthening

So you think your character should start off end game strong and have no progression? That honestly sounds sucky to me. And you calling it a timewaster. Yes thats what the grinding aspect adds I find negative. I didnt have this problem in 2 of the games you mentioned. Never played control. But I guess cause I enjoyed the side content enough I "leveled up" naturally enough i didnt need to grind

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LightHawKnight posted...

Escort missions

Seriously, does anyone enjoy these?

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Crazyman93 posted...

Seriously, does anyone enjoy these?

They're fun when it's the other way around, such as the first ten or fifteen minutes or so of Etrian Odyssey, or the very brief moment in Earthbound when Dungeon Man joins the party..

Crazyman93 posted...

Seriously, does anyone enjoy these?

I remember a game that like the first half was even worse escort missions. Fight your way in then have to physical carry the damsel in distress out which limited your combat capability.

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Weapon degradation. A new sword should last more than 10 swings. Needs to be a court of law mechanic in those games, sue the smith for selling shitty goods.

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008Zulu posted...

sue the smith for selling shitty goods.

Steel is supposed to be up to 3% carbon, not 97%.

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Point to the part in my post where I said that.

GoT starts you off without things that absolutely should be main game mechanics that are fundamental for the combat system to work properly.

Never noticed. I thoroughly enjoyed the game from start to finish. But I feel we have reached a impasse and we must simply agree to disagree.

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Games that are heavily based around crafting, but refuse to let you craft in bulk

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Games that are heavily based around crafting, but refuse to let you craft in bulk

Games where you have to drop/sell items individually. Not super common but when it does happen...

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008Zulu posted...

Weapon degradation. A new sword should last more than 10 swings. Needs to be a court of law mechanic in those games, sue the smith for selling shitty goods.

I forgive it in Fallout since, you know, apocalypse and salvaged junk, but otherwise, yeah.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

They can have those things without random garbage. Persona games let you always succeed in running away but you have to wait a certain amount of turns. Legend of Legacy lets you always succeed AND you do it first, but you go back to the start of the dungeon. There are stakes in both of those cases, but you actually have input, unlike failing to run.

boost your speed stat
disable the enemy so they can't catch you
have your support and tank hold the lines while everyone else tries to escape

there are ways to make escaping fun even if it's luck-based

Crappy menu system for your inventory.

Xenogears, I'm looking at you!!!

The Tales series has always got easy ways to categorize and itemize everything so it's easy to find your stuff.

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rubber banding in racing games

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ModLogic posted...

rubber banding in racing games

I wanted to say that but Mario Kart is the only racing game I'll play and even thats seldom. Only played 8 cause it came free with my 2ds

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