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DarkChozoGhost
10/13/21 5:35:28 PM
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In BDSP, the exp share will once again be impossible to turn off. Even though it would take them less effort to program in an option to turn it off than it would take to post a reply to this topic, they actively made a point of limiting the players option for literally zero benefit.

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SIayer_22
10/13/21 5:38:06 PM
#2:


LMAO just use one pokemon noob

jk I hate it too because it fucks with my EVs. I can clear stuff up in sword and shield but idk if I can transfer it back from BDSP. Hope so lol.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
10/13/21 5:38:30 PM
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Dread is the first Metroid game I have played, I think I finally get your username

Pokemon being Pokemon of course

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Number090684
10/13/21 5:39:19 PM
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Don't know why the devs don't get that the hardcore players hate the game being made easier for them and should make the feature optional if they aren't going to adjust Pokemon and levels to compensate.
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s0nicfan
10/13/21 5:40:02 PM
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Number090684 posted...
Don't know why the devs don't get that the hardcore players hate the game being made easier for them and should make the feature optional if they aren't going to adjust Pokemon and levels to compensate.

Doubt the devs care about the hardcore players, most of which probably use an emulator or a trainer anyway to quickly level up their competitive teams.

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TheRadiant
10/13/21 5:40:40 PM
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Number090684 posted...
Don't know why the devs don't get that the hardcore players hate the game being made easier for them and should make the feature optional if they aren't going to adjust Pokemon and levels to compensate.
Pokemon is made like it's your first game everytime

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3PiesAndAFork
10/13/21 5:40:46 PM
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Yeah. Definitely waiting for a difficulty hack for this one.

Hope they don't fuck up LoA too.

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Umbreon
10/13/21 5:43:26 PM
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The inability to turn it off is awful. I typically battle every trainer I see and try to catch every Pokemon I can. I don't want to be 15+ levels above Cynthia when I'm just playing normally.

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Tyranthraxus
10/13/21 5:44:29 PM
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Number090684 posted...
Don't know why the devs don't get that the hardcore players hate the game being made easier for them and should make the feature optional if they aren't going to adjust Pokemon and levels to compensate.

Devs don't want hardcore Pokemon players.

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Calwings
10/13/21 6:05:35 PM
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I'd say "maybe they'll balance the level curve around it" but who am I even kidding of course they won't
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Xavier_On_High
10/13/21 6:10:15 PM
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Imma skip it anyway, looks like a step backwards all round.

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3PiesAndAFork
10/13/21 6:11:16 PM
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Calwings posted...
I'd say "maybe they'll balance the level curve around it" but who am I even kidding of course they won't
Unless they make Cynthia have level 80's - 90's (which I doubt), then no they won't.

That said, they could also cut the number of trainers and route sizes in half, which seems like the sort of cost-cutting measure to be expected from Nintendo.

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kuwab0
10/13/21 6:12:23 PM
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BurmesePenguin
10/13/21 6:13:01 PM
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This is stupid.
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SIayer_22
10/13/21 6:13:59 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...

Unless they make Cynthia have level 80's - 90's (which I doubt), then no they won't.

That said, they could also cut the number of trainers and route sizes in half, which seems like the sort of cost-cutting measure to be expected from Nintendo.

The highest levelled 'mon in Crown Tundra was like...what, 80? That's what level they expected you to be after the whole main game, isle of armor, etc?

Lol.
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PatrickMahomes
10/13/21 6:14:18 PM
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Where are people even seeing this? Is this confirmed?

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SIayer_22
10/13/21 6:15:15 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
Where are people even seeing this? Is this confirmed?

https://gamerant.com/pokemon-brilliant-diamond-shining-pearl-exp-share-always-on/
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OrangeCrush980
10/13/21 6:17:27 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
Black and White 2 were the last good games.


Eh, OR/AS was still good even if they weren't as good as they should have been. They were direct upgrades from X/Y and still had enough quality Hoenn in them to be great games.
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StarDestroyer
10/13/21 6:17:28 PM
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This is bullshit
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Calwings
10/13/21 6:47:14 PM
#20:


Apparently the Exp Share thing isn't even the worst decision they made for this game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/q7at91/previews_for_pok%C3%A9mon_brilliant_diamond_shining/

* Addition of auto-save to the remakes (can be disabled)
* Pokmon Storage & Exp Share are active from the start of the game
* You can change the Pokmon in your party with Pokmon in storage at any time
* The mechanics including QoL upgrades shown within past generations have also returned such as showing type effectiveness in battle.
* TMs are also single use in the game, but there will be opportunities to get more

They had better be as easily farmable as TRs were in Sword/Shield, or else this is honestly a deal breaker for me. What the fuck are they thinking?
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PowerOats
10/13/21 6:52:55 PM
#21:


Single use TMs in the year 2021 is a insta-pass

Is there anything this game does better than the original besides look slightly pretty and MAYBE have a better online?
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kbelfisBACK
10/13/21 6:53:47 PM
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wait so how are HMs gonna work if you can easily switch Pokemon out from the box?

kinda defeats the purpose imo
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Lorkhaj
10/13/21 6:53:59 PM
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If there was any chance of me getting the game this killed it lol.

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LightningAce11
10/13/21 6:56:57 PM
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This is why games like dark souls that don't hold your hand and reward you for every little thing are considered "hard".

But they have been saying they want pokemon games to be brain-dead because they're afraid of losing to the mobile and gatcha market.

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Medussa
10/13/21 6:57:21 PM
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i can't remember... does XP share also share EVs? because lol if it does and you can't turn it off.

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Shotgunnova
10/13/21 7:00:27 PM
#26:


PowerOats posted...
Single-use TMs in the year 2021 is a insta-pass


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Delirious_Beard
10/13/21 7:00:47 PM
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and there's still no platinum content is there, aside from some pokemon, right? lookin like a skip for me

there is no reason to not have the xp share have the option to be turned off like in the 3DS games. i like it for bringing up a new team up to speed but it just trivializes the game if you aren't, and you know there isn't a damn chance of them rebalancing the game around it


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Tyranthraxus
10/13/21 7:03:03 PM
#28:


The Furret did all those steps on the escalator for nothing

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Compsognathus
10/13/21 7:04:54 PM
#29:


Calwings posted...
Apparently the Exp Share thing isn't even the worst decision they made for this game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/q7at91/previews_for_pok%C3%A9mon_brilliant_diamond_shining/

* Addition of auto-save to the remakes (can be disabled)
* Pokmon Storage & Exp Share are active from the start of the game
* You can change the Pokmon in your party with Pokmon in storage at any time
* The mechanics including QoL upgrades shown within past generations have also returned such as showing type effectiveness in battle.
* TMs are also single use in the game, but there will be opportunities to get more

They had better be as easily farmable as TRs were in Sword/Shield, or else this is honestly a deal breaker for me. What the fuck are they thinking?
Good lord. I feel like my decision to move on from the franchise before Sw/Sh has been a good one.

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VerisimiIitude
10/13/21 7:13:13 PM
#30:


The games are piss easy to a fault but the ability to access storage from anywhere is honestly just QoL.

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GallisOTK
10/13/21 7:16:08 PM
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So they force the Exp Share but go back to single-use TM's. I don't get the logic at all.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/13/21 7:17:12 PM
#32:


Medussa posted...
i can't remember... does XP share also share EVs? because lol if it does and you can't turn it off.
It does. Prevents you from multitasking

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Nemu
10/13/21 7:19:48 PM
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I get they want the games to be accessible to toddlers, but I've never understood why they kept all the insanely micromanagy mechanics if they weren't going to try to appeal to the people that use them. If you don't want to make a game with some difficulty, why bother even keeping those mechanics in the first place? Just make the mechanics ultra simple if you want the series to be babby's first RPG every gen rather than give people lingering hope that you'll add some extra options for a more robust game.
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SIayer_22
10/13/21 7:20:40 PM
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kbelfisBACK posted...
wait so how are HMs gonna work if you can easily switch Pokemon out from the box?

kinda defeats the purpose imo

Basically, now you summon a wild Pokmon to do it. No more HM slaves needed.
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dave_is_slick
10/13/21 7:21:33 PM
#36:


Calwings posted...
* TMs are also single use in the game
What the actual fuck.

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SIayer_22
10/13/21 7:21:51 PM
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PrideOfLion posted...
Nintendo banned me in Sword because I was traded a hacked pokemon, can't imagine the new games would unban me

P sure you can trade and mess with them all you want, but the moment you go online, they ban.

So you probably went online with it.
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Solar_Crimson
10/13/21 7:23:30 PM
#38:


This along with the other news just affirms my decision not to get the game.

Number090684 posted...
Don't know why the devs don't get that the hardcore players hate the game being made easier for them and should make the feature optional if they aren't going to adjust Pokemon and levels to compensate.
Masuda has outright said that he's not aiming to cater to existing fans, and wants to draw in new fans, particularly children. And while the series was always aimed primarily at children, it's worse nowadays because he thinks that he has to dumb the games down as much as possible due to feeling that he's competing with smartphone games for kids' time and attention.

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Umbreon
10/13/21 7:29:46 PM
#39:


Single use TMs are exceedingly dumb. Who wanted that reverted?

Not sure if I want to buy now...

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10/13/21 7:29:56 PM
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Tappor
10/13/21 7:32:40 PM
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Idc I wasn't going to get it anyway

But they're going the lazy route with the soundtrack. And that's unforgivable.

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TheChariot
10/13/21 7:32:44 PM
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Calwings posted...
Apparently the Exp Share thing isn't even the worst decision they made for this game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/q7at91/previews_for_pok%C3%A9mon_brilliant_diamond_shining/

* Addition of auto-save to the remakes (can be disabled)
* Pokmon Storage & Exp Share are active from the start of the game
* You can change the Pokmon in your party with Pokmon in storage at any time
* The mechanics including QoL upgrades shown within past generations have also returned such as showing type effectiveness in battle.
* TMs are also single use in the game, but there will be opportunities to get more

They had better be as easily farmable as TRs were in Sword/Shield, or else this is honestly a deal breaker for me. What the fuck are they thinking?

Okay, yeah, not buying it. No thanks, Gamefreak. And if you make the same bonehead decisions for Arceus, I'm skipping that one too.
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MrMallard
10/13/21 7:34:51 PM
#43:


Source?

And isn't there any sort of protest people can take in the light of this news?

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Compsognathus
10/13/21 7:35:43 PM
#44:


MrMallard posted...
Source?

And isn't there any sort of protest people can take in the light of this news?
The people who were going to quit over this did so with SwSh. Everyone still in it is basically ride or die at this point.

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MrMallard
10/13/21 7:35:50 PM
#45:


TheChariot posted...
* Pokmon Storage & Exp Share are active from the start of the game
Where does it say you don't have the option of turning it off?

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Tyranthraxus
10/13/21 7:36:16 PM
#46:


TheChariot posted...
Okay, yeah, not buying it. No thanks, Gamefreak. And if you make the same bonehead decisions for Arceus, I'm skipping that one too
Gamefreak isn't doing Arceus I thought

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Tappor
10/13/21 7:36:44 PM
#47:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Gamefreak isn't doing Arceus I thought
They are, BDSP are the outsourced ones >_>

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MrMallard
10/13/21 7:37:14 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Gamefreak isn't doing Arceus I thought
Game Freak are doing Arceus, the gen 4 remakes are being handled by Ilca - a phone game company - under the direction of Junichi Masuda or something.

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Tyranthraxus
10/13/21 7:37:27 PM
#49:


Tappor posted...
They are, BDSP are the outsourced ones >_>
Oh... Hmmm that changes everything lol

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Umbreon
10/13/21 8:03:52 PM
#50:


MrMallard posted...
And isn't there any sort of protest people can take in the light of this news?


Pokemon is one of the most profitable brand names in the world. There's not a lot protesting can do to that. It's almost like protesting Disney.

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