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Funkydog 12/16/21 11:40:45 AM #51:	CyricZ posted... Hey that is racist against Forgotten Realms fans. I'm a massive Forgotten Realms fan (or play in it at least) and pointing out the issues with it and annoying them is my hobby thankyouverymuch. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:960966248] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> Hey that is racist against Forgotten Realms fans. </quote> I'm a massive Forgotten Realms fan (or play in it at least) and pointing out the issues with it and annoying them is my hobby thankyouverymuch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 11:50:33 AM #52:	CyricZ posted... Hey that is racist against Forgotten Realms fans. ...at least they're not Dark Sun fans <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960966492] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Hey that is racist against Forgotten Realms fans.</quote>...at least they're not Dark Sun fans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 12/16/21 11:54:15 AM #53:	So what, it's gonna be Care Bears where everyone gets along all the time and there's no drama or conflict? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:960966572] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>So what, it's gonna be Care Bears where everyone gets along all the time and there's no drama or conflict? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 12/16/21 12:00:51 PM #54:	mario2000 posted... So what, it's gonna be Care Bears where everyone gets along all the time and there's no drama or conflict? Lol no <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960966740] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>So what, it's gonna be Care Bears where everyone gets along all the time and there's no drama or conflict?</quote>Lol no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 12:03:51 PM #55:	mario2000 posted... Care Bears That's American Greetings, not Hasbro. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960966817] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Care Bears</quote>That's American Greetings, not Hasbro. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 12/16/21 12:05:43 PM #56:	Fucking stupid. I'll give pathfinder a try when I get tired of 5th edition --- Common sense led me to a stinky cave - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:960966849] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Fucking stupid. I'll give pathfinder a try when I get tired of 5th edition </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/16/21 12:17:08 PM #57:	mario2000 posted... So what, it's gonna be Care Bears where everyone gets along all the time and there's no drama or conflict? There was definitely conflict in care bares. Usually resolved with chest lasers. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:960967133] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>So what, it's gonna be Care Bears where everyone gets along all the time and there's no drama or conflict?</quote>There was definitely conflict in care bares. Usually resolved with chest lasers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
j_coat 12/16/21 12:18:48 PM #58:	Magic the Gathering banned a bunch of cards last year for similar reasons. --- Play my free full-length RPG game today! https://jco.itch.io/universal-wars <cite>j_coat posted [p:960967173] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Magic the Gathering banned a bunch of cards last year for similar reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 12/16/21 12:22:20 PM #60:	averagejoel posted... alignment is a terrible system and if it were up to me, it would be removed entirely I don't disagree. It's my least favorite morality system of the major tabletop game lines I've played You'd need to rework the cosmology entirely tho, and the way deities work --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:960967274] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>alignment is a terrible system and if it were up to me, it would be removed entirely</quote>I don't disagree. It's my least favorite morality system of the major tabletop game lines I've played You'd need to rework the cosmology entirely tho, and the way deities work </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/16/21 12:22:49 PM #61:	ThyCorndog posted... That'd work as a one off character I guess lol They're now just the trill from star trek --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:960967285] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>That'd work as a one off character I guess lol</quote>They're now just the trill from star trek </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/16/21 12:23:38 PM #62:	JE19426 posted... Did they? I only know of the Paladin, and the Blackguard. They added paladin of tyranny (LE), of freedom (CG) and of slaughter (CE) in a book then they added a bunch more as variants over time for other alignments --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:960967312] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite> <quote>Did they? I only know of the Paladin, and the Blackguard.</quote>They added paladin of tyranny (LE), of freedom (CG) and of slaughter (CE) in a book then they added a bunch more as variants over time for other alignments </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 12/16/21 12:26:00 PM #63:	If I actually cared about D&D, I might be upset But I'm not --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:960967368] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>If I actually cared about D&D, I might be upset But I'm not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 12:27:33 PM #64:	ThyCorndog posted... then they added a bunch more as variants over time for other alignments Are they still full of idealism and mandatory "behavior", or is it just pick-and-go? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960967413] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>then they added a bunch more as variants over time for other alignments</quote>Are they still full of idealism and mandatory "behavior", or is it just pick-and-go? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/16/21 12:33:15 PM #65:	Questionmarktarius posted... Are they still full of idealism and mandatory "behavior", or is it just pick-and-go? They all have their own code of conduct to adhere to based on their alignment, and different special abilities They all play the same but as different flavors with differing strengths --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:960967542] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Are they still full of idealism and mandatory "behavior", or is it just pick-and-go?</quote>They all have their own code of conduct to adhere to based on their alignment, and different special abilities They all play the same but as different flavors with differing strengths </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 12/16/21 12:36:19 PM #66:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Some people take their orc cosplays very seriously. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:960967617] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Some people take their orc cosplays very seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 12:39:04 PM #67:	ThyCorndog posted... They all have their own code of conduct to adhere to based on their alignment, and different special abilities Which takes us back to "this character class is" vs "this character class could represent" that has plagued the game since the 70s. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960967679] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>They all have their own code of conduct to adhere to based on their alignment, and different special abilities</quote>Which takes us back to "this character class is" vs "this character class could represent" that has plagued the game since the 70s. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 12/16/21 12:40:27 PM #68:	The future will have no villains cause that could be offensive. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:960967717] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>The future will have no villains cause that could be offensive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 12/16/21 12:40:47 PM #69:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... https://screenrant.com/dungeons-dragons-wizards-coast-lore-removal-dd-5e/ Anything that has a hint of racism in D&D or prejudice against another race, they will remove due to people complaining. Even if it is as simple as people fearing the monsters for killing others. Enjoy the watered down game. Lore is just there to inspire players and give them an idea of how to run things, DMs are free to ignore any and all of it that they don't like and make up their own lore. Literally ever DM I've ever played with does it to some degree, even the inexperienced ones. --- They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:960967721] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite> <quote>https://screenrant.com/dungeons-dragons-wizards-coast-lore-removal-dd-5e/ Anything that has a hint of racism in D&D or prejudice against another race, they will remove due to people complaining. Even if it is as simple as people fearing the monsters for killing others. Enjoy the watered down game.</quote> Lore is just there to inspire players and give them an idea of how to run things, DMs are free to ignore any and all of it that they don't like and make up their own lore. Literally ever DM I've ever played with does it to some degree, even the inexperienced ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/16/21 12:41:46 PM #70:	Questionmarktarius posted... Which takes us back to "this character class is" vs "this character class could represent" that has plagued the game since the 70s. Dnd classes are shit. I'm a fan of systems where you can build them from the ground up. I only play 3.5 cause me and my friends get that fantasy itch I also don't like the xp system and do milestone leveling up In fact, my campaigns are heavily homebrewed so I don't actually care about what lore changes they're making in 5e I'm only posting here cause it's an excuse to talk about dnd --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:960967753] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Which takes us back to "this character class is" vs "this character class could represent" that has plagued the game since the 70s.</quote>Dnd classes are shit. I'm a fan of systems where you can build them from the ground up. I only play 3.5 cause me and my friends get that fantasy itch I also don't like the xp system and do milestone leveling up In fact, my campaigns are heavily homebrewed so I don't actually care about what lore changes they're making in 5e I'm only posting here cause it's an excuse to talk about dnd </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/16/21 12:43:29 PM #71:	Questionmarktarius posted... Which takes us back to "this character class is" vs "this character class could represent" that has plagued the game since the 70s. tbf, Paladin is one of the few remaining that way, and (afaik) meant to be a representation of something to the extreme - which is how they get their powers. Obviously a lot of variation, as some may get it from a god so more leeway in how they represent what they believe are their gods ideals and other worlds may anoint their paladums in other ways. Then, what one person think is savagery may not be another's. There's still a lot one can do with it. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:960967791] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> Which takes us back to "this character class is" vs "this character class could represent" that has plagued the game since the 70s. </quote> tbf, Paladin is one of the few remaining that way, and (afaik) meant to be a representation of something to the extreme - which is how they get their powers. Obviously a lot of variation, as some may get it from a god so more leeway in how they represent what they believe are their gods ideals and other worlds may anoint their paladums in other ways. Then, what one person think is savagery may not be another's. There's still a lot one can do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 12:47:38 PM #72:	Funkydog posted... tbf, Paladin is one of the few remaining that way, and (afaik) meant to be a representation of something to the extreme - which is how they get their powers. But, why? Present classes as bags of abilities, and a few examples of what it's meant to represent, and let us work it out for ourselves. Otherwise, we may go back to "gotta maintain the balance!" druids who mysteriously always have another show up for a duel for every levelup past level 12 or so. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960967899] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>tbf, Paladin is one of the few remaining that way, and (afaik) meant to be a representation of something to the extreme - which is how they get their powers.</quote>But, why? Present classes as bags of abilities, and a few examples of what it's meant to represent, and let us work it out for ourselves. Otherwise, we may go back to "gotta maintain the balance!" druids who mysteriously always have another show up for a duel for every levelup past level 12 or so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/16/21 12:47:53 PM #73:	Funkydog posted... tbf, Paladin is one of the few remaining that way, and (afaik) meant to be a representation of something to the extreme - which is how they get their powers. Obviously a lot of variation, as some may get it from a god so more leeway in how they represent what they believe are their gods ideals and other worlds may anoint their paladums in other ways. Then, what one person think is savagery may not be another's. There's still a lot one can do with it. These days paladins basically get to make their own oaths. It's less about being good and more about upholding an ideal you set for yourself. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:960967906] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>tbf, Paladin is one of the few remaining that way, and (afaik) meant to be a representation of something to the extreme - which is how they get their powers. Obviously a lot of variation, as some may get it from a god so more leeway in how they represent what they believe are their gods ideals and other worlds may anoint their paladums in other ways. Then, what one person think is savagery may not be another's. There's still a lot one can do with it.</quote> These days paladins basically get to make their own oaths. It's less about being good and more about upholding an ideal you set for yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/16/21 12:51:24 PM #74:	Questionmarktarius posted... But, why? Present classes as bags of abilities, and a few examples of what it's meant to represent, and let us work it out for ourselves. Otherwise, we may go back to "gotta maintain the balance!" druids who mysteriously always have another show up for a duel for every levelup past level 12 or so. Nothing stops you from doing that though? Heck you could change Paladin to be like that if you agree with your DM. That is what DnD is about, changing the rules to something you like/enjoy from the base they give you. They wanted a class that is defined by something and whatever that something is, is up to you/your dm/the lore of the world you're playing in. It's just they have a class that, depending on the world you play in, has a few rules that define their power source. Tyranthraxus posted... These days paladins basically get to make their own oaths. It's less about being good and more about upholding an ideal you set for yourself. Yup. I'm mostly used to FR 3rd edition, where it comes from the gods so a whole variety of ways a Paladin can be played of their deity compared to another of the same one. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:960968011] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> But, why? Present classes as bags of abilities, and a few examples of what it's meant to represent, and let us work it out for ourselves. Otherwise, we may go back to "gotta maintain the balance!" druids who mysteriously always have another show up for a duel for every levelup past level 12 or so. </quote> Nothing stops you from doing that though? Heck you could change Paladin to be like that if you agree with your DM. That is what DnD is about, changing the rules to something you like/enjoy from the base they give you. They wanted a class that is defined by something and whatever that something is, is up to you/your dm/the lore of the world you're playing in. It's just they have a class that, depending on the world you play in, has a few rules that define their power source. Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> These days paladins basically get to make their own oaths. It's less about being good and more about upholding an ideal you set for yourself. </quote> Yup. I'm mostly used to FR 3rd edition, where it comes from the gods so a whole variety of ways a Paladin can be played of their deity compared to another of the same one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 12/16/21 12:51:45 PM #75:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Enjoy the watered down game. <cite>Cocytus posted [p:960968021] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite> <quote>Enjoy the watered down game.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 12:57:03 PM #77:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Enjoy the watered down game. A decent faction of us in the 5E "feedback" phase, advocated exactly that. Reducing the game down to a lego kit of its core mechanics, and building the "classic" parts out of that. It became very obvious that Wizards was never going to listen, when the XP tables were shown to have intentional "this is where we want you to have 'fun', dammit!" bumps. They reverted to Gygax telling us what to play, instead of how to play it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960968183] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite> <quote>Enjoy the watered down game.</quote>A decent faction of us in the 5E "feedback" phase, advocated exactly that. Reducing the game down to a lego kit of its core mechanics, and building the "classic" parts out of that. It became very obvious that Wizards was never going to listen, when the XP tables were shown to have intentional "this is where we want you to have 'fun', dammit!" bumps. They reverted to Gygax telling us what to play, instead of how to play it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/16/21 12:57:22 PM #78:	This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture. <cite>Zikten posted [p:960968190] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BB mofo 12/16/21 12:57:51 PM #79:	To be fair, high fantasy tropes are fascist. Michael Moorcock, Ursula K Leguin, and China Mielville have all brought this up in the past. One of the most damning criticisms of high fantasy was a parody novel with the framing story being that it was written by Adolph Hitler. The novel was played straight with all the tropes in place, but still sounded like Nazi propaganda. The way he described his orcish race sounded similar to how he described Jews. Pure elvish blood might as well have been pure Aryan blood. The Elves blond hair and blue eyes were also praised as being beautiful above all others. Most of modern society is too savvy to know you can't reduce a race, even fantasy races, to stereotypes. They demand nuance. So many people wanted to play "good Drows" that they had to create the goddess Eilistraee and her drow followers. Female orcs have become sex symbols in the wider fantasy genre. --- "But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" -Mark Twain <cite>BB mofo posted [p:960968200] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, high fantasy tropes are fascist. Michael Moorcock, Ursula K Leguin, and China Mielville have all brought this up in the past. One of the most damning criticisms of high fantasy was a parody novel with the framing story being that it was written by Adolph Hitler. The novel was played straight with all the tropes in place, but still sounded like Nazi propaganda. The way he described his orcish race sounded similar to how he described Jews. Pure elvish blood might as well have been pure Aryan blood. The Elves blond hair and blue eyes were also praised as being beautiful above all others. Most of modern society is too savvy to know you can't reduce a race, even fantasy races, to stereotypes. They demand nuance. So many people wanted to play "good Drows" that they had to create the goddess Eilistraee and her drow followers. Female orcs have become sex symbols in the wider fantasy genre. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 12/16/21 12:58:12 PM #80:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] It doesn't, at all. Not sure I'd want to play with someone who thinks it does tbh. --- They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:960968209] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> It doesn't, at all. Not sure I'd want to play with someone who thinks it does tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 1:00:27 PM #81:	Zikten posted... This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture. This seems obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960968265] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture.</quote>This seems obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 12/16/21 1:01:24 PM #82:	Zikten posted... This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture. Good. His entire story is that of a ridiculous Gary Stu, who's "one of the good ones." <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960968287] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture.</quote>Good. His entire story is that of a ridiculous Gary Stu, who's "one of the good ones." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/16/21 1:02:18 PM #83:	How 'bout fuck Drizzt. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:960968320] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>How 'bout fuck Drizzt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/16/21 1:06:51 PM #84:	Zikten posted... This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture. He wasn't really one in a billion. First of all he's a dude and dudes drow have a lot of reason to not want to participate in traditional drow trappings. There were probably many more like him though not many went on to become epic heroes. Remember he was originally smuggled out by his dad so he's at a minimum 2 in a billion. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:960968428] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>This destroys the story of Drizzt. His entire life is based on the fact that he was 1 in a billion in terms of being a good guy of his culture.</quote> He wasn't really one in a billion. First of all he's a dude and dudes drow have a lot of reason to not want to participate in traditional drow trappings. There were probably many more like him though not many went on to become epic heroes. Remember he was originally smuggled out by his dad so he's at a minimum 2 in a billion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/16/21 1:10:32 PM #85:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] the only thing I can think of is that some people might like simple black-and-white morality and biological determinism --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960968522] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> the only thing I can think of is that some people might like simple black-and-white morality and biological determinism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/16/21 1:11:18 PM #86:	It doesn't really "ruin" Drizzt - who sucks anyway. Already plenty of lore that suggests many drow aren't actually as evil as Lolth wants them to be, but are simply forced to be that way due to her madness and insane clergy, with many getting messages from Eilistraee to try and seduce them away. Most simply are too scared to pay them any mind or have been warped by the clergy/harsh environment, so are forced to continue to self destructive life style imposed by the clergy/Lolth. That and the Eilistraeen faith has numerous drow in it, and have been instrumental in targeting Lolth/Kiaransalee and the like, even helping redeem great swathes of the drow back into their original pre fuck you transformation years ago. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:960968543] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't really "ruin" Drizzt - who sucks anyway. Already plenty of lore that suggests many drow aren't actually as evil as Lolth wants them to be, but are simply forced to be that way due to her madness and insane clergy, with many getting messages from Eilistraee to try and seduce them away. Most simply are too scared to pay them any mind or have been warped by the clergy/harsh environment, so are forced to continue to self destructive life style imposed by the clergy/Lolth. That and the Eilistraeen faith has numerous drow in it, and have been instrumental in targeting Lolth/Kiaransalee and the like, even helping redeem great swathes of the drow back into their original pre fuck you transformation years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uta 12/16/21 1:28:35 PM #87:	D&D Alignment stuff has always been contentious. While the gods do behave on absolute morality systems, the Material plane usually doesn't. This is because the Gods of good want people to choose the path of Goodness rather than have it forced on them. Because of that, you end up with real earth morality, which can't even universally agree on if murder is a good thing or not. (Ie: A lot of people are perfectly fine with killing those who have committed certain extremely evil crimes, especially murder. While many others would argue that murdering the murderer makes you just as bad as them) Couple that with races that are "always evil" and you get a mess of hazy interpretations that sometimes results in putting a bunch of "evil" infants in a tent and setting it on fire. Getting rid of the "Always Evil" interpretation of most D&D creatures can only be an absolute win in my books. There are plenty of real life cultures that find reasons to wage war on one another for all kinds of incredibly stupid reasons. That being said, Mindflayers are brain eating space wizards from the Cthulhu dimension. I have no idea how you can spin that to be some kind of morally nuanced creature. --- Others don't get to dictate what's normal and what isn't. It's something we decide for ourselves. That's why it's the most important thing to us. <cite>Uta posted [p:960969001] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>D&D Alignment stuff has always been contentious. While the gods do behave on absolute morality systems, the Material plane usually doesn't. This is because the Gods of good want people to choose the path of Goodness rather than have it forced on them. Because of that, you end up with real earth morality, which can't even universally agree on if murder is a good thing or not. (Ie: A lot of people are perfectly fine with killing those who have committed certain extremely evil crimes, especially murder. While many others would argue that murdering the murderer makes you just as bad as them) Couple that with races that are "always evil" and you get a mess of hazy interpretations that sometimes results in putting a bunch of "evil" infants in a tent and setting it on fire. Getting rid of the "Always Evil" interpretation of most D&D creatures can only be an absolute win in my books. There are plenty of real life cultures that find reasons to wage war on one another for all kinds of incredibly stupid reasons. That being said, Mindflayers are brain eating space wizards from the Cthulhu dimension. I have no idea how you can spin that to be some kind of morally nuanced creature. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GhostFaceLeaks 12/16/21 1:29:46 PM #88:	Lairen posted... The future will have no villains cause that could be offensive. Given how people on social media sites get angry over villains doing villainous things and cancel writers over writing them like that, this is the way things are going. --- "Do you like Scary movies?" <cite>GhostFaceLeaks posted [p:960969024] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite> <quote>The future will have no villains cause that could be offensive.</quote> Given how people on social media sites get angry over villains doing villainous things and cancel writers over writing them like that, this is the way things are going. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 12/16/21 1:31:14 PM #89:	Uta posted... sometimes results in putting a bunch of "evil" infants in a tent and setting it on fire. I played with some randoms at our local gaming bar a while back and one dude tried to just that to a bunch of Goblin children smh. Fortunately the DM wouldn't let that go down. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960969061] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Uta posted... </cite> <quote>sometimes results in putting a bunch of "evil" infants in a tent and setting it on fire.</quote>I played with some randoms at our local gaming bar a while back and one dude tried to just that to a bunch of Goblin children smh. Fortunately the DM wouldn't let that go down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/21 1:32:18 PM #90:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Given how people on social media sites get angry over villains doing villainous things and cancel writers over writing them like that, this is the way things are going. Nobody tell twitter about Daleks, please. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:960969091] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite> <quote>Given how people on social media sites get angry over villains doing villainous things and cancel writers over writing them like that, this is the way things are going.</quote>Nobody tell twitter about Daleks, please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJOLNRVII 12/16/21 1:32:54 PM #91:	lolife67 posted... I played with some randoms at our local gaming bar a while back and one dude tried to just that to a bunch of Goblin children smh. Fortunately the DM wouldn't let that go down. RIP his dreams of becoming Goblin Slayer. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/WBp3VHL.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/aGc8opg.gif https://i.imgtc.ws/tQBwJ35.gif <cite>MJOLNRVII posted [p:960969101] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite> <quote>I played with some randoms at our local gaming bar a while back and one dude tried to just that to a bunch of Goblin children smh. Fortunately the DM wouldn't let that go down.</quote>RIP his dreams of becoming Goblin Slayer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 12/16/21 1:34:20 PM #92:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Enjoy the watered down game. I don't think you understand what that concept actually means. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:960969134] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite> <quote>Enjoy the watered down game.</quote> I don't think you understand what that concept actually means. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 12/16/21 1:51:21 PM #93:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Anything that has a hint of racism in D&D or prejudice against another race, they will remove due to people complaining. Even if it is as simple as people fearing the monsters for killing others. That seems stupid. Racism exists, and it's likely going to exist even more so in a world where we're dealing with outright different species rather than just different skin colors and cultures. You can incorporate it into fiction in a way that portrays it as a bad thing, so that you achieve both realism and good moral values. --- Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to Trumble look more like? <cite>Trumble posted [p:960969569] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite> <quote>Anything that has a hint of racism in D&D or prejudice against another race, they will remove due to people complaining. Even if it is as simple as people fearing the monsters for killing others.</quote> That seems stupid. Racism exists, and it's likely going to exist even more so in a world where we're dealing with outright different species rather than just different skin colors and cultures. You can incorporate it into fiction in a way that portrays it as a bad thing, so that you achieve both realism and good moral values. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InTheEyesOfFire 12/16/21 1:51:23 PM #94:	Eh, I homebrew everything so no loss here. --- I should not walk so a child may live. <cite>InTheEyesOfFire posted [p:960969571] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Eh, I homebrew everything so no loss here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 12/16/21 1:54:46 PM #95:	Thats stupid. Portraying racism in fiction is a good way to show how horrible it isLike there are stories that explore themes of racism and condemn in not condone it The Fishman Island Arc in One Piece is a great example of this. Sometimes fictional racism can hold up a mirror and make people think This is so stupid and seems like a step back --- Eternal Grey <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:960969661] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Thats stupid. Portraying racism in fiction is a good way to show how horrible it isLike there are stories that explore themes of racism and condemn in not condone it The Fishman Island Arc in One Piece is a great example of this. Sometimes fictional racism can hold up a mirror and make people think This is so stupid and seems like a step back </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 12/16/21 1:57:30 PM #96:	Trumble posted... That seems stupid. Racism exists, and it's likely going to exist even more so in a world where we're dealing with outright different species rather than just different skin colors and cultures. You can incorporate it into fiction in a way that portrays it as a bad thing, so that you achieve both realism and good moral values. SSJPurple posted... Thats stupid. Portraying racism in fiction is a good way to show how horrible it isLike there are stories that explore themes of racism and condemn in not condone it The Fishman Island Arc in One Piece is a great example of this. Sometimes fictional racism can hold up a mirror and make people think This is so stupid and seems like a step back You're both missing the point. You can display racism as a bad thing in fiction but that's not what DnD was doing. They were actually promoting it as a sensible thing to be racist because certain races ARE just plain evil, period. This change does more of what you're talking about since an entire race isn't actually "evil" anymore. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960969738] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>That seems stupid. Racism exists, and it's likely going to exist even more so in a world where we're dealing with outright different species rather than just different skin colors and cultures. You can incorporate it into fiction in a way that portrays it as a bad thing, so that you achieve both realism and good moral values.</quote> SSJPurple posted... </cite> <quote>Thats stupid. Portraying racism in fiction is a good way to show how horrible it isLike there are stories that explore themes of racism and condemn in not condone it The Fishman Island Arc in One Piece is a great example of this. Sometimes fictional racism can hold up a mirror and make people think This is so stupid and seems like a step back</quote>You're both missing the point. You can display racism as a bad thing in fiction but that's not what DnD was doing. They were actually promoting it as a sensible thing to be racist because certain races ARE just plain evil, period. This change does more of what you're talking about since an entire race isn't actually "evil" anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nothanks1 12/16/21 1:58:46 PM #97:	the good news about D&D is you can ignore the woke shit because D&D is all about imagination and you can create the world you want Want to have your Orcs be murdering thugs? Go for it. Want your Orcs to be epic craftsmen who designed the rocket to take the fattest man to Mars? Go for it. Want your Orcs to be hot strippers who have 14 pairs of tits? Go for it. <cite>nothanks1 posted [p:960969767] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>the good news about D&D is you can ignore the woke shit because D&D is all about imagination and you can create the world you want Want to have your Orcs be murdering thugs? Go for it. Want your Orcs to be epic craftsmen who designed the rocket to take the fattest man to Mars? Go for it. Want your Orcs to be hot strippers who have 14 pairs of tits? Go for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/16/21 1:58:51 PM #98:	SSJPurple posted... Portraying racism in fiction is a good way to show how horrible it isLike there are stories that explore themes of racism and condemn in not condone it The problem isn't about portraying racism as something that exists. The problem is about enforcing racial stereotypes through the game's established lore and mechanics. Like the idea that the drow can't help but be evil, for a very simple example. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:960969770] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>SSJPurple posted... </cite> <quote>Portraying racism in fiction is a good way to show how horrible it isLike there are stories that explore themes of racism and condemn in not condone it</quote>The problem isn't about portraying racism as something that exists. The problem is about enforcing racial stereotypes through the game's established lore and mechanics. Like the idea that the drow can't help but be evil, for a very simple example. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 12/16/21 2:02:12 PM #99:	lolife67 posted... You're both missing the point. You can display racism as a bad thing in fiction but that's not what DnD was doing. They were actually promoting it as a sensible thing to be racist because certain races ARE just plain evil, period. This change does more of what you're talking about since an entire race isn't actually "evil" anymore. It's completely reasonable for there to be a race that is inherently evil from a human perspective. Something that has similar reasoning capabilities but possesses differing values would be something we'd see as evil. You can argue that the writing was shit so the execution was shit, but, whether created for the purpose of antagonism towards other races or having evolved in a similar but ultimately different way, it's not out of the realm of possibility. <cite>Nemu posted [p:960969837] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite> <quote>You're both missing the point. You can display racism as a bad thing in fiction but that's not what DnD was doing. They were actually promoting it as a sensible thing to be racist because certain races ARE just plain evil, period. This change does more of what you're talking about since an entire race isn't actually "evil" anymore.</quote>It's completely reasonable for there to be a race that is inherently evil from a human perspective. Something that has similar reasoning capabilities but possesses differing values would be something we'd see as evil. You can argue that the writing was shit so the execution was shit, but, whether created for the purpose of antagonism towards other races or having evolved in a similar but ultimately different way, it's not out of the realm of possibility. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 12/16/21 2:04:02 PM #100:	Nemu posted... It's completely reasonable for there to be a race that is inherently evil from a human perspective. Something that has similar reasoning capabilities but possesses differing values would be something we'd see as evil. You can argue that the writing was shit so the execution was shit, but, whether created for the purpose of antagonism towards other races or having evolved in a similar but ultimately different way, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Except it's not presented as a differing point of view/perspective. They are, explicitly, evil period. There's exactly ZERO nuance to it. That was the entire point and what this is attempting to rectify. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960969883] in D&D re... [t:79813144]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>It's completely reasonable for there to be a race that is inherently evil from a human perspective. Something that has similar reasoning capabilities but possesses differing values would be something we'd see as evil. You can argue that the writing was shit so the execution was shit, but, whether created for the purpose of antagonism towards other races or having evolved in a similar but ultimately different way, it's not out of the realm of possibility.</quote>Except it's not presented as a differing point of view/perspective. They are, explicitly, evil period. There's exactly ZERO nuance to it. That was the entire point and what this is attempting to rectify. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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