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trdl23 01/20/22 3:01:49 AM #1:	[REDACTED] This isn't the topic for Endwalker-completers yet! A rough collection of B8 users can be found on the following spreadsheet, so you too can wonder why so many of us are on Lamia: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l74RR-geLuIqazjQLeNa7xCyrlwLHBloRjuVQB-who4/edit?usp=sharing If you're on Primal, we now have a CWLS to join! Hit me up when you see me and I'll get you in, and I'll give you permission to add others, too. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:961907235] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>[REDACTED] This isn't the topic for Endwalker-completers yet! A rough collection of B8 users can be found on the following spreadsheet, so you too can wonder why so many of us are on Lamia: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l74RR-geLuIqazjQLeNa7xCyrlwLHBloRjuVQB-who4/edit?usp=sharing If you're on Primal, we now have a CWLS to join! Hit me up when you see me and I'll get you in, and I'll give you permission to add others, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 3:20:45 AM #2:	Got Dancer to cap, 6 to go! Haven't even attempted to look at new Monk yet. The pre-release explanations sounded like Greek to me. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961907432] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Got Dancer to cap, 6 to go! Haven't even attempted to look at new Monk yet. The pre-release explanations sounded like Greek to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 01/20/22 3:22:12 AM #3:	Holy crap this fight club is a scam. 100k bet returns 175k on a win. 4 participants. These clubs make so much money. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:961907450] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Holy crap this fight club is a scam. 100k bet returns 175k on a win. 4 participants. These clubs make so much money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 01/20/22 3:32:13 AM #4:	Oh, guess it also buys some raffle tickets for a 3M giveaway. But still really bad odds. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:961907541] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Oh, guess it also buys some raffle tickets for a 3M giveaway. But still really bad odds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 5:27:57 AM #5:	i have huge anxiety about playing any role other than DPS and so I've been using command missions at low levels to learn some basics but a lot of command missions comes down to actually instructing your NPCs to act, as well as having tanks made of iron so the dynamics aren't really the same, which is why i'm now about to run trusts just to make sure i understand what i'm doing as healer before making other players deal with it --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961908645] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>i have huge anxiety about playing any role other than DPS and so I've been using command missions at low levels to learn some basics but a lot of command missions comes down to actually instructing your NPCs to act, as well as having tanks made of iron so the dynamics aren't really the same, which is why i'm now about to run trusts just to make sure i understand what i'm doing as healer before making other players deal with it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 5:29:17 AM #6:	also added myself to the spreadsheet assuming there must be ONE other euro here --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961908662] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>also added myself to the spreadsheet assuming there must be ONE other euro here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 01/20/22 6:35:02 AM #7:	Command missions give me more anxiety than any actual dungeon run ever has. Some of the combat in the later ones can be borderline impossible. (I did exactly 5 because it was needed for a rank I went years without knowing existed) --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:961909262] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Command missions give me more anxiety than any actual dungeon run ever has. Some of the combat in the later ones can be borderline impossible. (I did exactly 5 because it was needed for a rank I went years without knowing existed) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 7:22:22 AM #8:	So far I've only ran the 20-32 dungeons in command missions so I'm not sure if they get worse later, but so far the only problematic part has been getting the tank to run out of the fire on the last boss of halatali. definitely inferior to trusts though even if they do actually use AOE- the flawless mechanic dancing of the trust AI was a much easier way to learn the dungeons than watching guide videos --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961909764] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>So far I've only ran the 20-32 dungeons in command missions so I'm not sure if they get worse later, but so far the only problematic part has been getting the tank to run out of the fire on the last boss of halatali. definitely inferior to trusts though even if they do actually use AOE- the flawless mechanic dancing of the trust AI was a much easier way to learn the dungeons than watching guide videos </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tcaz2 01/20/22 7:30:12 AM #9:	Here this is how you tank: Run into mobs. Hit your AoE ability. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until the pull is complete. Use one (1) defensive cooldown. Hit more AoE abilities. If enemies are not dead when your original defensive cooldown expires, use another. Continue using AoE abilities. Congratulations you are now a successful tank. "but what about bosses" Pretend you are a DPS. 90% of the time it isn't even worth it to use your defensive cooldowns on bosses because they don't hit as hard as trash pulls. <cite>tcaz2 posted [p:961909861] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Here this is how you tank: Run into mobs. Hit your AoE ability. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until the pull is complete. Use one (1) defensive cooldown. Hit more AoE abilities. If enemies are not dead when your original defensive cooldown expires, use another. Continue using AoE abilities. Congratulations you are now a successful tank. "but what about bosses" Pretend you are a DPS. 90% of the time it isn't even worth it to use your defensive cooldowns on bosses because they don't hit as hard as trash pulls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dantezoid 01/20/22 7:55:47 AM #10:	Additional tip: your invuln is a defensive cooldown, especially if you are a paladin --- Boring and mundane signature informing you I'm on a Droid Now with more bold! Less italics due to bold. <cite>Dantezoid posted [p:961910212] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Additional tip: your invuln is a defensive cooldown, especially if you are a paladin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 8:01:45 AM #11:	yeah i've found that with the tank classes, I'm pretty ready to go with tanking - my biggest gap with tanking is a lot of the ARR dungeons aren't straightforward runs, I don't know them well (I leveled through ARR 3 years ago then dropped off) and I feel it's my responsibility to lead the way as much as possible. it's healing that i definitely need the more practice on before unleashing on other players - I especially find the target switching stressful at times playing on controller --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961910300] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>yeah i've found that with the tank classes, I'm pretty ready to go with tanking - my biggest gap with tanking is a lot of the ARR dungeons aren't straightforward runs, I don't know them well (I leveled through ARR 3 years ago then dropped off) and I feel it's my responsibility to lead the way as much as possible. it's healing that i definitely need the more practice on before unleashing on other players - I especially find the target switching stressful at times playing on controller </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 01/20/22 8:03:43 AM #12:	A lot of people don't know the ARR dungeons, and even among those that do it is easy to forget. Just ask if you arent sure, chances are half the party doesn't know and the one that does will be happy to help. Have had plenty of leveling roulletes where we are running back to pick up firesand or something off the ground that no one picked up. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:961910334] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>A lot of people don't know the ARR dungeons, and even among those that do it is easy to forget. Just ask if you arent sure, chances are half the party doesn't know and the one that does will be happy to help. Have had plenty of leveling roulletes where we are running back to pick up firesand or something off the ground that no one picked up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dantezoid 01/20/22 9:45:18 AM #13:	A lot of people will stand in front of the right direction and jump even if no words are exchanged - they aren't being rude/impatient, they're just signaling the path since a lot of people don't remember which path to walk down in the thousand maws of toto rak But if you ever type "don't really remember this one" someone will either help guide you or the whole group is new anyway and you can stumble together --- Boring and mundane signature informing you I'm on a Droid Now with more bold! Less italics due to bold. <cite>Dantezoid posted [p:961912189] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>A lot of people will stand in front of the right direction and jump even if no words are exchanged - they aren't being rude/impatient, they're just signaling the path since a lot of people don't remember which path to walk down in the thousand maws of toto rak But if you ever type "don't really remember this one" someone will either help guide you or the whole group is new anyway and you can stumble together </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mccheyne 01/20/22 10:44:05 AM #14:	Tagging --- Not changing this sig until the Winnipeg Blue Bombers win the grey cup. Started Aug. 16/04 WINNIPEG BLUE BOMBERS 2019 GREY CUP CHAMPIONS!! <cite>mccheyne posted [p:961913614] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Tagging </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 01/20/22 1:10:08 PM #15:	mccheyne posted... Tagging --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:961917471] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>mccheyne posted... </cite> <quote>Tagging</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 1:11:44 PM #16:	Since I'm not raiding, I don't really have a reason to spend Astronomy for numbers. I also don't like the glam of any of the current Astronomy gear. When should we expect another set of options to spend Astronomy on? I won't overcap, of course. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961917517] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Since I'm not raiding, I don't really have a reason to spend Astronomy for numbers. I also don't like the glam of any of the current Astronomy gear. When should we expect another set of options to spend Astronomy on? I won't overcap, of course. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mccheyne 01/20/22 1:11:47 PM #17:	Are the SB role quests essentially the job quests from the previous 3 games? --- Not changing this sig until the Winnipeg Blue Bombers win the grey cup. Started Aug. 16/04 WINNIPEG BLUE BOMBERS 2019 GREY CUP CHAMPIONS!! <cite>mccheyne posted [p:961917518] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Are the SB role quests essentially the job quests from the previous 3 games? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 1:16:34 PM #18:	The early ARR dungeons also ease you into healing. Not a lot of heals are actually required unless the tank is big pulling and bad. I'd say start getting tricky at Cutter's Cry, mostly due to some weird mechanics. Stone Vigil is only bad if the tank is underheated, Darkhold is another weird one, and Aurum Vale...is Aurum Vale. Still, they are manageable and people will usually be understanding for new healers. Things do not get routinely spicy until the expac dungeons, so I'd say getting your bearings in ARR group content is the best way to learn. That said I'd still probably go with one of the two pure healers to learn. SCH feels pretty anemic until you are well into the 50s/60s to have more aetherflow actions, and I'm still pretty sure most SGE skills are made up. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961917671] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>The early ARR dungeons also ease you into healing. Not a lot of heals are actually required unless the tank is big pulling and bad. I'd say start getting tricky at Cutter's Cry, mostly due to some weird mechanics. Stone Vigil is only bad if the tank is underheated, Darkhold is another weird one, and Aurum Vale...is Aurum Vale. Still, they are manageable and people will usually be understanding for new healers. Things do not get routinely spicy until the expac dungeons, so I'd say getting your bearings in ARR group content is the best way to learn. That said I'd still probably go with one of the two pure healers to learn. SCH feels pretty anemic until you are well into the 50s/60s to have more aetherflow actions, and I'm still pretty sure most SGE skills are made up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Luis_Sera89 01/20/22 1:16:54 PM #19:	UshiromiyaEva posted... Since I'm not raiding, I don't really have a reason to spend Astronomy for numbers. I also don't like the glam of any of the current Astronomy gear. When should we expect another set of options to spend Astronomy on? I won't overcap, of course. There is no other outlet to spend Astronomy tomes on other than the Radiant gear. Not until 6.2 when gear better than the current tome and raid set comes out and Astronomy tomes replace Aphorism tomes as the 'lesser' tome currency. So you can either gear up alts to make them stronger or just don't worry about overcapping. --- "Eet's game time..." https://soundcloud.com/luissera/intro/s-VvkMJ <cite>Luis_Sera89 posted [p:961917685] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>Since I'm not raiding, I don't really have a reason to spend Astronomy for numbers. I also don't like the glam of any of the current Astronomy gear. When should we expect another set of options to spend Astronomy on? I won't overcap, of course.</quote>There is no other outlet to spend Astronomy tomes on other than the Radiant gear. Not until 6.2 when gear better than the current tome and raid set comes out and Astronomy tomes replace Aphorism tomes as the 'lesser' tome currency. So you can either gear up alts to make them stronger or just don't worry about overcapping. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 1:21:09 PM #20:	mccheyne posted... Are the SB role quests essentially the job quests from the previous 3 games? Yes, they replaced job quests in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. In addition there is a capstone quest for each job you get at 80 that serves as a kind of epilogue to the job story. UshiromiyaEva posted... Since I'm not raiding, I don't really have a reason to spend Astronomy for numbers. I also don't like the glam of any of the current Astronomy gear. When should we expect another set of options to spend Astronomy on? I won't overcap, of course. Never. The loot treadmill resets every even patch but astronomy gear is still that set, just it becomes uncapped and replaced with a different weekly tomestone. So you should still be spending them on your main role to make experts and normal raids easier. Just glam over it. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961917823] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>mccheyne posted... </cite> <quote>Are the SB role quests essentially the job quests from the previous 3 games?</quote> Yes, they replaced job quests in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. In addition there is a capstone quest for each job you get at 80 that serves as a kind of epilogue to the job story. UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>Since I'm not raiding, I don't really have a reason to spend Astronomy for numbers. I also don't like the glam of any of the current Astronomy gear. When should we expect another set of options to spend Astronomy on? I won't overcap, of course.</quote> Never. The loot treadmill resets every even patch but astronomy gear is still that set, just it becomes uncapped and replaced with a different weekly tomestone. So you should still be spending them on your main role to make experts and normal raids easier. Just glam over it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 01/20/22 2:20:27 PM #21:	Steiner posted... it's healing that i definitely need the more practice on before unleashing on other players - I especially find the target switching stressful at times playing on controller You shouldn't actually have to swap targets all that much on healer, honestly- if a DPS gets tickled and lowered to 60% HP and there's no unavoidable damage coming up, heal them with free tools like assize, physis, or whispering dawn as they become available (remember that passive HP recovery over time is not insignificant, too). During trash pulls with the tank, keep the tank targetted the whole time because your aoe ability doesnt need a target (unless you're AST, in which case I'd heavily recommend learning healer on literally any other job). During boss fights, damage is usually so low you can keep the tank topped off with the necessary aoe heals plus the tank's self heals. Can't really help much with controllers, though. --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:961919646] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Steiner posted... </cite> <quote>it's healing that i definitely need the more practice on before unleashing on other players - I especially find the target switching stressful at times playing on controller</quote>You shouldn't actually have to swap targets all that much on healer, honestly- if a DPS gets tickled and lowered to 60% HP and there's no unavoidable damage coming up, heal them with free tools like assize, physis, or whispering dawn as they become available (remember that passive HP recovery over time is not insignificant, too). During trash pulls with the tank, keep the tank targetted the whole time because your aoe ability doesnt need a target (unless you're AST, in which case I'd heavily recommend learning healer on literally any other job). During boss fights, damage is usually so low you can keep the tank topped off with the necessary aoe heals plus the tank's self heals. Can't really help much with controllers, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 2:25:43 PM #22:	Does controller really not have a "target of target" quickswap button? It quickly swaps between the tank and what the tank is attacking, presuming they are holding aggro. I can see AST cards being considerably more annoying on controller but tt makes normal switching easy. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961919810] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Does controller really not have a "target of target" quickswap button? It quickly swaps between the tank and what the tank is attacking, presuming they are holding aggro. I can see AST cards being considerably more annoying on controller but tt makes normal switching easy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 2:25:57 PM #23:	choosing my party target is A-OK because you can always cycle through those on the D-pad up/down, it's then jumping back to the right target to dps that i get in a tizzy with sometimes also my other point of tank anxiety is i don't know how big people want me to pull so open to any general points on that --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961919817] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>choosing my party target is A-OK because you can always cycle through those on the D-pad up/down, it's then jumping back to the right target to dps that i get in a tizzy with sometimes also my other point of tank anxiety is i don't know how big people want me to pull so open to any general points on that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 01/20/22 2:28:10 PM #24:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Does controller really not have a "target of target" quickswap button? It quickly swaps between the tank and what the tank is attacking, presuming they are holding aggro. I can see AST cards being considerably more annoying on controller but tt makes normal switching easy. IIRC it does --- https://i.imgur.com/G17qCv1.mp4 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:961919896] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Does controller really not have a "target of target" quickswap button? It quickly swaps between the tank and what the tank is attacking, presuming they are holding aggro. I can see AST cards being considerably more annoying on controller but tt makes normal switching easy.</quote> IIRC it does </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 01/20/22 2:30:01 PM #25:	you can also use a "target focus target" hotkey to get back into the boss but yeah target target is what i use the most you can also use it to target whichever tank has aggro! --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:961919941] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>you can also use a "target focus target" hotkey to get back into the boss but yeah target target is what i use the most you can also use it to target whichever tank has aggro! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 2:31:40 PM #26:	might need to go through the settings to find a target of target option, i could never find one but that certainly isn't definitive <_< --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961919987] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>might need to go through the settings to find a target of target option, i could never find one but that certainly isn't definitive <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 01/20/22 2:34:05 PM #27:	if it doesn't exist, you can make a macro of it `/target <tt>` also go try out cone targetting if you haven't already, it's great --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:961920063] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>if it doesn't exist, you can make a macro of it /target <tt> also go try out cone targetting if you haven't already, it's great </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 2:43:31 PM #28:	Steiner posted... also my other point of tank anxiety is i don't know how big people want me to pull so open to any general points on that Typically 2 groups is the standard for big pulling. In fact most dungeons won't let you pull more than that. ARR has some weird dungeon layouts but it's still not really advised to do more. That said if you're not comfortable and need to pull single groups for whatever reason people are usually ok with that, especially in the spicier leveling dungeons --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961920343] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Steiner posted... </cite> <quote>also my other point of tank anxiety is i don't know how big people want me to pull so open to any general points on that</quote> Typically 2 groups is the standard for big pulling. In fact most dungeons won't let you pull more than that. ARR has some weird dungeon layouts but it's still not really advised to do more. That said if you're not comfortable and need to pull single groups for whatever reason people are usually ok with that, especially in the spicier leveling dungeons </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 01/20/22 2:48:55 PM #29:	everything after heavensward should be safe to wall to wall if your healer isn't asleep at the wheels and you're cycling mitigation, yeah as a healer, i find double pulling to be a lot more relaxing than single pulls actually. you can use cooldowns far more aggressively because the amount of time you spend in combat is effectively halved --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:961920527] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>everything after heavensward should be safe to wall to wall if your healer isn't asleep at the wheels and you're cycling mitigation, yeah as a healer, i find double pulling to be a lot more relaxing than single pulls actually. you can use cooldowns far more aggressively because the amount of time you spend in combat is effectively halved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 3:07:44 PM #30:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Typically 2 groups is the standard for big pulling. In fact most dungeons won't let you pull more than that. ARR has some weird dungeon layouts but it's still not really advised to do more. hey cool this is basically exactly what i thought! --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961921090] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Typically 2 groups is the standard for big pulling. In fact most dungeons won't let you pull more than that. ARR has some weird dungeon layouts but it's still not really advised to do more.</quote> hey cool this is basically exactly what i thought! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 3:12:02 PM #31:	Dungeons very consistentally make it so you can't truly pull after ARR, wall to wall can be harder sometimes but it's always possible if you understand your cooldown and the Healer is confident. There are very few situations where I don't prefer pulling wall to wall, like the last room of the level 79 dungeon I talked about last week. Don't forget that Arm's Length is a defensive tank cooldown! --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961921203] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Dungeons very consistentally make it so you can't truly pull after ARR, wall to wall can be harder sometimes but it's always possible if you understand your cooldown and the Healer is confident. There are very few situations where I don't prefer pulling wall to wall, like the last room of the level 79 dungeon I talked about last week. Don't forget that Arm's Length is a defensive tank cooldown! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/20/22 3:16:34 PM #32:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... The early ARR dungeons also ease you into healing. Not a lot of heals are actually required unless the tank is big pulling and bad. I'd say start getting tricky at Cutter's Cry, mostly due to some weird mechanics. Stone Vigil is only bad if the tank is underheated, Darkhold is another weird one, and Aurum Vale...is Aurum Vale. Still, they are manageable and people will usually be understanding for new healers. My first Cutters Cry on WHM was by far my most stressful healing experience. I was still brand new to healing, Im pretty sure the tank was not mitigating, and he just kept dying. And then that second boss has the DoT that absolutely murders people if its not esunad (which I didnt realize until then)... not fun! agesboy posted... everything after heavensward should be safe to wall to wall if your healer isn't asleep at the wheels and you're cycling mitigation, yeah as a healer, i find double pulling to be a lot more relaxing than single pulls actually. you can use cooldowns far more aggressively because the amount of time you spend in combat is effectively halved I think the tank and healer both have to be pretty competent to wall-to-wall Bardham at least. Ive never tried it but have definitely had a pretty decent amount of deaths just doing two packs at a time there. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:961921348] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>The early ARR dungeons also ease you into healing. Not a lot of heals are actually required unless the tank is big pulling and bad. I'd say start getting tricky at Cutter's Cry, mostly due to some weird mechanics. Stone Vigil is only bad if the tank is underheated, Darkhold is another weird one, and Aurum Vale...is Aurum Vale. Still, they are manageable and people will usually be understanding for new healers.</quote> My first Cutters Cry on WHM was by far my most stressful healing experience. I was still brand new to healing, Im pretty sure the tank was not mitigating, and he just kept dying. And then that second boss has the DoT that absolutely murders people if its not esunad (which I didnt realize until then)... not fun! agesboy posted... </cite> <quote>everything after heavensward should be safe to wall to wall if your healer isn't asleep at the wheels and you're cycling mitigation, yeah as a healer, i find double pulling to be a lot more relaxing than single pulls actually. you can use cooldowns far more aggressively because the amount of time you spend in combat is effectively halved</quote>I think the tank and healer both have to be pretty competent to wall-to-wall Bardham at least. Ive never tried it but have definitely had a pretty decent amount of deaths just doing two packs at a time there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 3:23:56 PM #33:	LordoftheMorons posted... My first Cutters Cry on WHM was by far my most stressful healing experience. I was still brand new to healing, Im pretty sure the tank was not mitigating, and he just kept dying. And then that second boss has the DoT that absolutely murders people if its not esunad (which I didnt realize until then)... not fun! All three bosses there are annoying to heal if you are unprepared. The first one has the ants that the healer is supposed to kite around while the rest of the party burns the boss, the second one has the dot, the third one has both the idiot kite orb and the drag in/ram away mechanic even experienced players will get owned by on occasion. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961921559] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>My first Cutters Cry on WHM was by far my most stressful healing experience. I was still brand new to healing, Im pretty sure the tank was not mitigating, and he just kept dying. And then that second boss has the DoT that absolutely murders people if its not esunad (which I didnt realize until then)... not fun!</quote> All three bosses there are annoying to heal if you are unprepared. The first one has the ants that the healer is supposed to kite around while the rest of the party burns the boss, the second one has the dot, the third one has both the idiot kite orb and the drag in/ram away mechanic even experienced players will get owned by on occasion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 01/20/22 3:33:10 PM #34:	yeah cutter's cry is one of the more obnoxious ARR dungeons LordoftheMorons posted... I think the tank and healer both have to be pretty competent to wall-to-wall Bardham at least. Ive never tried it but have definitely had a pretty decent amount of deaths just doing two packs at a time there. there definitely are some exceptions like bardam, doma castle's first stretch, and the 71 and 81 dungeons in those cases it comes down to whether your tank is a warrior or not heh --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:961921821] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>yeah cutter's cry is one of the more obnoxious ARR dungeons LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>I think the tank and healer both have to be pretty competent to wall-to-wall Bardham at least. Ive never tried it but have definitely had a pretty decent amount of deaths just doing two packs at a time there.</quote>there definitely are some exceptions like bardam, doma castle's first stretch, and the 71 and 81 dungeons in those cases it comes down to whether your tank is a warrior or not heh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 3:38:24 PM #35:	I was about to say I don't recall ever having any issue with the 81 dungeon...but I indeed have only ever tanked it as a Warrior who had hit 82 already, lol. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961921971] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>I was about to say I don't recall ever having any issue with the 81 dungeon...but I indeed have only ever tanked it as a Warrior who had hit 82 already, lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 01/20/22 3:57:50 PM #36:	Got back into grinding my ARR relic. I'm on the alexandrite step. Spent a few minutes trying to decide which stats I wanted to boost before remembering the weapon itself is horribly outdated and I'm never going to use it in a situation where those stats will actually matter. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:961922602] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Got back into grinding my ARR relic. I'm on the alexandrite step. Spent a few minutes trying to decide which stats I wanted to boost before remembering the weapon itself is horribly outdated and I'm never going to use it in a situation where those stats will actually matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Dino 01/20/22 4:49:57 PM #37:	Holminster is quite the tall order for unprepared tanks and healers. --- Bart, with $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like...love! ~Homer J. Simpson <cite>Shadow Dino posted [p:961924260] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Holminster is quite the tall order for unprepared tanks and healers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 5:49:27 PM #38:	wow it's extremely funny starting the dragoon job quests now --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961926084] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>wow it's extremely funny starting the dragoon job quests now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Isquen 01/20/22 5:52:44 PM #39:	Steiner posted... wow it's extremely funny starting the dragoon job quests now I imagine Estinien shows up and pretends to not know you ~~even if he's chilling in Radz-at-Han in a bar post-Endwalker.~~ --- [The Artist Formerly Known as Earthshaker.] <cite>Isquen posted [p:961926161] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Steiner posted... </cite> <quote>wow it's extremely funny starting the dragoon job quests now</quote> I imagine Estinien shows up and pretends to not know you even if he's chilling in Radz-at-Han in a bar post-Endwalker. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 5:56:09 PM #40:	Isquen posted... I imagine Estinien shows up and pretends to not know you ~~even if he's chilling in Radz-at-Han in a bar post-Endwalker.~~ ~~yeah exactly. i'm like ..... dude it's me. we literally went to the end of the universe together. what's this business about the eye~~ --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961926263] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Isquen posted... </cite> <quote>I imagine Estinien shows up and pretends to not know you even if he's chilling in Radz-at-Han in a bar post-Endwalker.</quote> yeah exactly. i'm like ..... dude it's me. we literally went to the end of the universe together. what's this business about the eye </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 5:56:27 PM #41:	Honestly, aside from the final boss having some weird aoes, I don't think Holminster hits any harder than the average dungeon. I think it has that reputation because it is so many people's first exposure to dungeon tanking and healing. It also is punishing if you aren't walking in with the best 70 poetics gear you can buy. But Sirensong Sea and I assume the 81 dungeon (haven't run it enough) are also like this. Sirensong Sea actually has a few specifically obnoxious pulls on top of that. In other words it really is only punishing unpreparedness, there's not any tricky pulls or weird gearing issues like the x5 middle dungeons have. It just traps a lot of noobs. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961926274] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, aside from the final boss having some weird aoes, I don't think Holminster hits any harder than the average dungeon. I think it has that reputation because it is so many people's first exposure to dungeon tanking and healing. It also is punishing if you aren't walking in with the best 70 poetics gear you can buy. But Sirensong Sea and I assume the 81 dungeon (haven't run it enough) are also like this. Sirensong Sea actually has a few specifically obnoxious pulls on top of that. In other words it really is only punishing unpreparedness, there's not any tricky pulls or weird gearing issues like the x5 middle dungeons have. It just traps a lot of noobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 6:08:19 PM #42:	The 81 dungeon has more to fear from the bosses with an inexperienced party than the mobs. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961926583] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>The 81 dungeon has more to fear from the bosses with an inexperienced party than the mobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 01/20/22 6:14:22 PM #43:	Sirensong Sea is nowhere near Holminister imo. I remember wiping repeatedly as I levelled all my healers up through there if the tank tried to wall to wall; I don't think I've ever seen a single wipe to trash in Sirensong Sea. It felt like most of the healers were missing vital parts of their healing kit for dungeon healing, like Recitation on SCH and Celestial Intersection on AST. --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:961926757] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Sirensong Sea is nowhere near Holminister imo. I remember wiping repeatedly as I levelled all my healers up through there if the tank tried to wall to wall; I don't think I've ever seen a single wipe to trash in Sirensong Sea. It felt like most of the healers were missing vital parts of their healing kit for dungeon healing, like Recitation on SCH and Celestial Intersection on AST. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Isquen 01/20/22 6:35:08 PM #44:	UshiromiyaEva posted... The 81 dungeon has more to fear from the bosses with an inexperienced party than the mobs. Truth. The last boss is just confused screaming to an unprepared party. --- [The Artist Formerly Known as Earthshaker.] <cite>Isquen posted [p:961927378] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>The 81 dungeon has more to fear from the bosses with an inexperienced party than the mobs.</quote> Truth. The last boss is just confused screaming to an unprepared party. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 6:41:13 PM #45:	Isquen posted... Truth. The last boss is just confused screaming to an unprepared party. Ironically I think it's actually way easier than the first boss by itself since it's mechanics have been simplified, lol. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961927580] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Isquen posted... </cite> <quote>Truth. The last boss is just confused screaming to an unprepared party.</quote> Ironically I think it's actually way easier than the first boss by itself since it's mechanics have been simplified, lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Steiner 01/20/22 6:56:12 PM #46:	daily quests in this game rock --- Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see <cite>Steiner posted [p:961928035] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>daily quests in this game rock </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/20/22 8:03:21 PM #47:	agesboy posted... Sirensong Sea is nowhere near Holminister imo. I remember wiping repeatedly as I levelled all my healers up through there if the tank tried to wall to wall; I don't think I've ever seen a single wipe to trash in Sirensong Sea. The first big pull off the boat in Sirensong Sea as well as the first pull after the second boss with like 20 zombies were pretty bad during Stormblood. The middle part is also kinda weird? I dunno! I'm not getting these Holminster horror shows outside of that last boss either so I'll chalk it up to different experiences. I will admit that Shadowbringers dungeons bosses are more complex but I don't think that's a healer/tank problem because I expect all newbies to eat some shit on mechanics. Conversely, Stormblood's aren't as bad but there are quite a few untelegraphed tankbusters which are a "fun" mechanic specifically for unprepared tanks and healers. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961929785] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>agesboy posted... </cite> <quote>Sirensong Sea is nowhere near Holminister imo. I remember wiping repeatedly as I levelled all my healers up through there if the tank tried to wall to wall; I don't think I've ever seen a single wipe to trash in Sirensong Sea. </quote> The first big pull off the boat in Sirensong Sea as well as the first pull after the second boss with like 20 zombies were pretty bad during Stormblood. The middle part is also kinda weird? I dunno! I'm not getting these Holminster horror shows outside of that last boss either so I'll chalk it up to different experiences. I will admit that Shadowbringers dungeons bosses are more complex but I don't think that's a healer/tank problem because I expect all newbies to eat some shit on mechanics. Conversely, Stormblood's aren't as bad but there are quite a few untelegraphed tankbusters which are a "fun" mechanic specifically for unprepared tanks and healers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/20/22 11:58:03 PM #48:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/2/AAeolZAAC1JU.jpg --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961935478] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/2/AAeolZAAC1JU.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow Dino 01/21/22 4:01:35 AM #49:	Patch 6.08 confirmed for Tuesday alongside the OCE data center --- Bart, with $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like...love! ~Homer J. Simpson <cite>Shadow Dino posted [p:961938859] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Patch 6.08 confirmed for Tuesday alongside the OCE data center </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 01/22/22 10:29:20 AM #50:	Oh, so what's the situation now with being able to solo farm Rathalos for the mount? I know that fight is mechanically wierd. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:961970648] in FFXIV Topi... [t:79861445]...</cite> <quote>Oh, so what's the situation now with being able to solo farm Rathalos for the mount? I know that fight is mechanically wierd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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