Poll of the Day > Disney will be AXING the 7 DWARVES in Snow White after Peter Dinklage OUTRAGE!!!

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I think he's been generally critical of little people in fantasy media though. He doesn't like things like elfs or dwarfs or little people being cast as non human creatures.

He's aware of it, he just doesn't like it. I don't really agree with him, but whatever. I find it surprising he has so much influence regarding this though. I heard this yesterday and dismissed it as kind of a nothing story.

but he has no problem taking those roles himself though

Accrovideogames posted...

Because the character is supposed to have skin as white as snow, hence the name

Her soul is as pure as snow

Zeus posted...

jfc... Mulan without songs and a dragon, a race-swapped Snow White without any dwarves... like, wtf is the point of this shit?

I am actually happy that Hollywood keeps pushing the muh diversity agenda. All it does is give us indications (actual numbers) that the people who want push for those ideologies are the minority and that, like those movies, those idiotic ideologies will fail miserably and eventually be eliminated from society.

it's not diversity when you cast Chinese people in your movie about ancient china

it's just casting Chinese people for your movie about Chinese people

The_tall_midget posted...

I am actually happy that Hollywood keeps pushing the muh diversity agenda. All it does is give us indications (actual numbers) that the people who want push for those ideologies are the minority and that, like those movies, those idiotic ideologies will fail miserably and eventually be eliminated from society.

I think diversity is good. But at the same time, doesnt need to be in everything. But having no diversity would definitely set back the world into a worse way of thinking

MetalGarurumon posted...

but he has no problem taking those roles himself though

You might have noticed that Hollywood isn't exactly awash with roles for actors with dwarfism, except for fantasy characters. You take the jobs you're offered.

I remember a few years ago he talked about declining roles that he felt were insulting to little people.

I don't really know where things like Elf or Avengers Infinity War fall on that spectra though, I guess they were just too high profile to ignore. I honestly don't know much about what he did previously.

I consider myself a big fan of Fantasy style dwarves, and I don't really think there's a good way to avoid the connection between fictional dwarves and real dwarfs, aside from a complete language change for one or the other (which has already kind of been tried with little success).

Blightzkrieg posted...

I consider myself a big fan of Fantasy style dwarves, and I don't really think there's a good way to avoid the connection between fictional dwarves and real dwarfs, aside from a complete language change for one or the other (which has already kind of been tried with little success).

Yeah, I can't really see how to square that circle either.

It's kind of a double edged sword here because I get his POV but also in doing so he just took 7 jobs from actors that are little people too if Disney was going to cast it that way. If they weren't then they shouldn't be doing it anyway.

Jen0125 posted...

It's kind of a double edged sword here because I get his POV but also in doing so he just took 7 jobs from actors that are little people too if Disney was going to cast it that way. If they weren't then they shouldn't be doing it anyway.

The end credits scene of the Eternals features a small character who is just CGI and I remember being really confused as to why they didn't use a little person in a costume.

I guess they were trying to avoid exactly this kind of controversy? I hadn't given it much thought at the time.

Metalsonic66 posted...

Her soul is as pure as snow

She's canonically described as having skin as white as snow, lips as red as the rose, and hair as black as ebony wood. You made up that soul thing.

Jen0125 posted...

It's kind of a double edged sword here because I get his POV but also in doing so he just took 7 jobs from actors that are little people too if Disney was going to cast it that way.

It should be principles before money, right? Although, granted, it's much easier for a successful actor who already has a bunch of money to put principles first. In either case I'd be interested in hearing a broader opinion from little people as opposed to just Dinklage.

LinkPizza posted...

I think diversity is good. But at the same time, doesnt need to be in everything. But having no diversity would definitely set back the world into a worse way of thinking

I think Disney is on the right track when they make new stories that highlight different cultures (thinking of Moana and Encanto and etc). I think they're on the wrong track when they squeeze diversity into stories where it doesn't make sense (i.e. Beauty in the Beast set in medieval France) and try to shoehorn people from different cultures into French cultural norms.

In the big picture, though, it should be viewed as an 'overcorrection' in an area where correction is needed, so fair enough. Hopefully we'll get past the stage where we need only Chinese people in movies set in China and full diversity in movies set in European locations. Either way we have bigger things to worry about.

As for Snow White...it is more fantasy than it is European so I don't mind seeing them mix things up a little there, but it does seem to me that Snow White should be Caucasian if you're going to remake it. Better still, given the many questionable associations and the fact that it's not really that a great of a story to begin with...just let it die. Does every Disney movie really need to live forever? Not even SE is dumb enough to remake, say, Final Fantasy 2...and that's more or less what's going on here.

wpot posted...

It should be principles before money, right? Although, granted, it's much easier for a successful actor who already has a bunch of money to put principles first. In either case I'd be interested in hearing a broader option from little people as opposed to just Dinklage.

Well it's also that maybe every other little person actor doesn't think the same as Dinklage. What if they LIKE the representation of having dwarves in fantasy settings? And would be happy to take those roles?

I'd be interested to see as well.

wpot posted...

I think Disney is on the right track when they make new stories that highlight different cultures (thinking of Moana and Encanto and etc). I think they're on the wrong track when they squeeze diversity into stories where it doesn't make sense (i.e. Beauty in the Beast set in medieval France) and try to shoehorn people from different cultures into French cultural norms.

In the big picture, though, it should be viewed as an 'overcorrection' in an area where correction is needed, so fair enough. Hopefully we'll get past the stage where we need only Chinese people in movies set in China and full diversity in movies set in European locations. Either way we have bigger things to worry about.

As for Snow White...it is more fantasy than it is European so I don't mind seeing them mix things up a little there, but it does seem to me that Snow White should be Caucasian if you're going to remake it. Better still, given the many questionable associations and the fact that it's not really that a great of a story to begin with...just let it die. Does every Disney movie really need to live forever? Not even SE is dumb enough to remake, say, Final Fantasy 2...and that's more or less what's going on here.

I mean, like I said, they shouldnt force it into everything. But I do understand trying to add more diversity to some older stuff. Lots of older stuff were made in different times with less diversity, so I see what theyre trying to do.

As for letting movies die, they probably wont happen. The classics are classics for a reason. And people will buy it pretty much every time the vault opens. Not only that, but the story itself wont die, anyway. Its not a Disney story. Disney has their own version, but the original came from somewhere else, IIRC It was a darker story, as well

Jen0125 posted...

Well it's also that maybe every other little person actor doesn't think the same as Dinklage. What if they LIKE the representation of having dwarves in fantasy settings? And would be happy to take those roles?

I'd be interested to see as well.

I agree

LinkPizza posted...

I mean, like I said, they shouldnt force it into everything. But I do understand trying to add more diversity to some older stuff. Lots of older stuff were made in different times with less diversity, so I see what theyre trying to do.

As for letting movies die, they probably wont happen. The classics are classics for a reason. And people will buy it pretty much every time the vault opens. Not only that, but the story itself wont die, anyway. Its not a Disney story. Disney has their own version, but the original came from somewhere else, IIRC It was a darker story, as well

I agree

I like when people get upset that classic Disney movies are being changed because Disney has almost zero original stories in their classic catalogue. Even Frozen is based on a HCA story.

kangolcone posted...

I like when people get upset that classic Disney movies are being changed because Disney has almost zero original stories in their classic catalogue. Even Frozen is based on a HCA story.

Personally, I dont care if the classics change. Sometimes, they can turn out well Other times, not so much. Though, thats all opinion, anyway But I call them classics since thats what they are. And they were usually well received during their initial release

I mean, dwarves give little people a whole new way to act/represent characters compared to the comedy/farce type rolls they always used to have. The dwarves in snow white didn't need to be a joke, and could have been portrayed as heroic etc, even elevating little people and giving them new role models. There was no reason to axe them (appropriate for dwarves), and I think Peter is a jerk for screwing those actors out of jobs. There are far worse portrayals of little people out there and if anything this could have been an opportunity to create characters young little people could look up to and be inspired by.

Boo I say.....BOO!!

Accrovideogames posted...

You made up that soul thing

Yes, that was the joke

LinkPizza posted...

original came from somewhere else, IIRC

Well, the "IIRC" is the point, isn't it? It would have died and been forgotten if it weren't for Disney. Not all stories, even the ones selected by Disney, need to live forever. Granted, Disney will try to make them last forever (with good success) but they don't NEED to. And they shouldn't in some cases. But yes, in this case Disney isn't going to go that route.

LinkPizza posted...

Lots of older stuff were made in different times with less diversity, so I see what theyre trying to do.

What they're really trying to do is to squeeze more money out of characters that have been successful, of course. However, I'm not convinced it's the RIGHT thing to do. Why not make new movies about places that are actually diverse rather than forcing it into unnatural settings? Or at least change the setting of Beauty from France to, say, Houston: go West Side Story with it!

Really: is it truly appropriate to show people who appeared to come from different cultures all happily assimilated into a white/French culture...? It employs diverse actors, sure, but is that REALLY the right message? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to see traits from different cultures rather than expecting the French one to dominate? I say they made a surficial change that looked good on the surface but that they weren't really doing anyone any favors in the big picture.

Anyways, given their past it's good to see them trying and there are certainly bigger problems. I just disagree with that style of modernization.

I would say Hamilton did something similar, but better: they added characteristics from different subcultures rather than just different faces for the sake of different faces. There was more of a point being made...although it worked better on some levels than others.

wpot posted...

Well, the "IIRC" is the point, isn't it? It would have died and been forgotten if it weren't for Disney. Not all stories, even the ones selected by Disney, need to live forever. Granted, Disney will try to make them last forever (with good success) but they don't NEED to. And they shouldn't in some cases. But yes, in this case Disney isn't going to go that route.

What they're really trying to do is to squeeze more money out of characters that have been successful, of course. However, I'm not convinced it's the RIGHT thing to do. Why not make new movies about places that are actually diverse rather than forcing it into unnatural settings? Or at least change the setting of Beauty from France to, say, Houston: go West Side Story with it!

Really: is it truly appropriate to show people who appeared to come from different cultures all happily assimilated into a white/French culture...? It employs diverse actors, sure, but is that REALLY the right message? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to see traits from different cultures rather than expecting the French one to dominate? I say they made a surficial change that looked good on the surface but that they weren't really doing anyone any favors in the big picture.

Anyways, given their past it's good to see them trying and there are certainly bigger problems. I just disagree with that style of modernization.

I would say Hamilton did something similar, but better: they added characteristics from different subcultures rather than just different faces for the sake of different faces. There was more of a point being made...although it worked better on some levels than others.

So, your issue with a movie that features a witch who transformers a person into a monster and his servants into furniture is the cultural accuracy?

kangolcone posted...

So, your issue with a movie that features a witch who transformers a person into a monster and his servants into furniture is the cultural accuracy?

Like I said there are bigger problems, but yes: it's an issue. (To say nothing about how it 'feeds the beast' on the right) What happens in the movie doesn't much matter.

wpot posted...

Like I said there are bigger problems, but yes: it's an issue. (To say nothing about how it 'feeds the beast' on the right) What happens in the movie doesn't much matter.

Just wanted to make sure that what made a movie unbelievable for you was black people in France and not a talking teacup.

kangolcone posted...

Just wanted to make sure that what made a movie unbelievable for you was black people in France and not a talking teacup.

You don't really need to strawman me here. I'm not talking about believability, as you well know.

I just wanna know what kinda work they intend with the ho in question.

wpot posted...

Well, the "IIRC" is the point, isn't it? It would have died and been forgotten if it weren't for Disney. Not all stories, even the ones selected by Disney, need to live forever. Granted, Disney will try to make them last forever (with good success) but they don't NEED to. And they shouldn't in some cases. But yes, in this case Disney isn't going to go that route.

The IIRC was probably more of a habit than an actual I cant recall it. And maybe it would have died. But most likely not. Those old stories are still around. And if Disney didnt remake, I assure you someone else would have. And they may have kept the original work. Disney changed it (and many other dark stories) to be more kid friendly. Which I believe is a good thing

I also see no issue with certain stories living forever. People like them. So why end them. Just because you dont like them

Even if Disney stops telling the story, someone else would pick it up. And the stories arent going away anytime soon. Theyve been around for a while. Hundreds of years, I think

wpot posted...

What they're really trying to do is to squeeze more money out of characters that have been successful, of course. However, I'm not convinced it's the RIGHT thing to do. Why not make new movies about places that are actually diverse rather than forcing it into unnatural settings? Or at least change the setting of Beauty from France to, say, Houston: go West Side Story with it!

Really: is it truly appropriate to show people who appeared to come from different cultures all happily assimilated into a white/French culture...? It employs diverse actors, sure, but is that REALLY the right message? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to see traits from different cultures rather than expecting the French one to dominate? I say they made a surficial change that looked good on the surface but that they weren't really doing anyone any favors in the big picture.

Anyways, given their past it's good to see them trying and there are certainly bigger problems. I just disagree with that style of modernization.

I would say Hamilton did something similar, but better: they added characteristics from different subcultures rather than just different faces for the sake of different faces. There was more of a point being made...although it worked better on some levels than others.

But Im talking about the diversity. Whether they had diversity or not, they would be squeezing money out of successful characters. So, Im not sure what that has to do with the diversity part

As for making new movies, they do sometimes. But even then, they might just take an old fairy tale people forgot of and make it diverse. Which is also fine. I dont see a problem with that. Or if they make a classic diverse Its fine either way

If you asking me if its ok, I think its fine. By asking the way you did, it makes it sound like youre against diversity, tbh Also, since these are fairy tales and not true, I dont really see why youd have to go for realism or what would be appropriate or whatever Most involve magic and shit

LinkPizza posted...

The IIRC was probably more of a habit than an actual I cant recall it. And maybe it would have died. But most likely not. Those old stories are still around. And if Disney didnt remake, I assure you someone else would have. And they may have kept the original work. Disney changed it (and many other dark stories) to be more kid friendly. Which I believe is a good thing

I also see no issue with certain stories living forever. People like them. So why end them. Just because you dont like them

Even if Disney stops telling the story, someone else would pick it up. And the stories arent going away anytime soon. Theyve been around for a while. Hundreds of years, I think

But Im talking about the diversity. Whether they had diversity or not, they would be squeezing money out of successful characters. So, Im not sure what that has to do with the diversity part

As for making new movies, they do sometimes. But even then, they might just take an old fairy tale people forgot of and make it diverse. Which is also fine. I dont see a problem with that. Or if they make a classic diverse Its fine either way

If you asking me if its ok, I think its fine. By asking the way you did, it makes it sound like youre against diversity, tbh Also, since these are fairy tales and not true, I dont really see why youd have to go for realism or what would be appropriate or whatever Most involve magic and shit

He already stated that talking candelabras are not an issue but a person of color in France is a bridge too far.

wpot posted...

You don't really need to strawman me here. I'm not talking about believability, as you well know.

Its not a straw man. Its me pointing out that you are talking about cultural accuracy in a movie where a persons life is determined by petals on a magic rose.

Its not meant to be a historically accurate portrayal of 1700s France. Its not a period piece. Its a remake of a Disney movie.

LinkPizza posted...

By asking the way you did, it makes it sound like youre against diversity, tbh

Oh I know: questioning any change made for the (apparent) sake of diversity sets me up to be the bad guy. I tend to think that style of change is a cynical move on the part of Disney to say "look, we're diverse now" and it doesn't accomplish much other than play into the hands of those (i.e. right-wing talking heads) who can call it out for what it is: a cosmetic/corporate change versus a meaningful change.

It's good for the actors who getting chances at roles they couldn't otherwise play, I suppose, but I just don't think that's the way to do diversity. There are bigger problems, sure, and I'll give them credit for the way they've highlighted other cultures in other movies recently...but that one feels wrong.

LinkPizza posted...

I also see no issue with certain stories living forever. People like them. So why end them. Just because you dont like them

I don't have a problem with stories living on if people want to. I personally suspect this particular story wouldn't live on if it weren't for Disney (or Disney imitators) but if people still want it more power to them. My original point was that perhaps the original could be left as a piece of history if the storyline is going to have to be greatly modified to make it acceptable. But even then who knows: maybe they'll surprise me and making something new and better? If they have a winning way to do it: fine and good.

kangolcone posted...

He already stated that talking candelabras are not an issue but a person of color in France is a bridge too far.

I'm not your enemy here, but you can double down on the strawman if you'd like. I won't argue.

First, I would like to point out that the roles filled by people of African descent are mainly servants, which did exist in 1700s France. I think there was maybe 1 character who wasnt a servant and was also not white.

Secondly, if we are going for cultural accuracy Gaston would have been arrested as only nobility was allowed to hunt in 1700s France.

Im just perplexed that a person who is clearly intelligent and thoughtful would give any consideration to cultural accuracy in a remake of a Disney movie about magic and transformation. I mean, they also did not sing entire conversations in most of French history.

Come on dude. Cultural accuracy in a childrens movie with singing and a magic rose????

wpot posted...

Oh I know: questioning any change made for the (apparent) sake of diversity sets me up to be the bad guy. I tend to think that style of change is a cynical move on the part of Disney to say "look, we're diverse now" and it doesn't accomplish much other than play into the hands of those (i.e. right-wing talking heads) who can call it out for what it is: a cosmetic/corporate change versus a meaningful change.

It's good for the actors who getting chances at roles they couldn't otherwise play, I suppose, but I just don't think that's the way to do diversity. There are bigger problems, sure, and I'll give them credit for the way they've highlighted other cultures in other movies recently...but that one feels wrong.

I never said questioning it made it seem like you were against diversity. I said the way you asked made it seem like that Had you asked differently, I most likely wouldnt have actually said anything And I personally dont see it as cynical. Theres no real way to show diversity except showing it in their case. And thats fine. Like I said, it doesnt need to be in everything, though. Its like theyre doing to much. But there are some dumb people who would get mad at everything. Like Disney could remake 10 movies, with 9 having a diverse cast. And one was remade without a diverse cast, and those people would get pissed. Im not on their side. But I am fine with some more stuff having diverse casts So, I disagree. I think they are doing fine with the diversity. Doing well enough to bot have to try harder than what theyre doing. But whatever. Like you said, it can help actors to play parts they wouldnt have gotten otherwise

wpot posted...

I don't have a problem with stories living on if people want to. I personally suspect this particular story wouldn't live on if it weren't for Disney (or Disney imitators) but if people still want it more power to them. My original point was that perhaps the original could be left as a piece of history if the storyline is going to have to be greatly modified to make it acceptable. But even then who knows: maybe they'll surprise me and making something new and better? If they have a winning way to do it: fine and good.

Im almost 100% positive this story would have lived on without Disney. Because if Disney didnt pick it up and wrote about, I guarantee someone else would have. Especially these days when people are looking for new ideas

And not all of them are greatly modified. A couple small changes like her age, and getting rid of the horrendous death and stuff. Also, not much gets left as just a piece of history. People remake stuff all the time. And hey always will. Its what helps to keep the story alive. Which is kind of the point of stories

wpot posted...

I'm not your enemy here, but you can double down on the strawman if you'd like. I won't argue.

I dont think hes strawmanning, tbh the way you were talking about it made it seemed like you cared about realism talking about the people in France at the time, and cultural accuracy When that doesnt matter as much when literal magic is at play

Most fairy tales were passed on primarily by word of mouth over an extremely broad area, often across different languages and different time periods. There is no "original story", there's just the ones that happened to get written down at some point. Even many of the "violent" aspects that people tend to harp on Disney for removing may not have existed until the Grimms decided it would help sell more copies.

This also applies to most mythology or ancient religions. There isn't a Canon until you have an authoritative body like Walt or the Pope decide on one.

I don't have a whole lot more to add: this was kind of an aside to the point I was originally trying to make, and I generally agree that Disney is trying hard to be diverse and do a good job, and I agree that trying too hard is better than not trying hard enough given their history.

As for cultural accuracy/magic, it's not that it's impossible for anything to happen in a magic world. They could all get warped to Atlantis and "it's magic" would explain it, technically. It's that trying too hard to add diversity (cynically or not) causes its own problems IMO: *my* gut reaction is that sweeping subcultural/cultural differences aside and saying "we can all give up who we were and assimilate into 1700s France" has its own problematic implications. And then there's some loss of immersion and the inevitable counter-reaction from the right.

...but maybe I'm wrong and it's worth it. I'd be interested to hear anyone from a 'subculture' tell me if that felt corporate/fake to you or whether you thought it was good/helpful. I expect there are a variety of opinions.

I've only seen the animated movie once or twice (and a long time ago at that) but I always thought of them, I guess because of the fairytale setting, as fantasy dwarfs and not little people or persons of short stature.

Blightzkrieg posted...

There isn't a Canon until you have an authoritative body like Walt or the Pope decide on one.

This. We need the Pope to tell us what race Snow White should be.

LinkPizza posted...

The IIRC was probably more of a habit than an actual I cant recall it. And maybe it would have died. But most likely not. Those old stories are still around. And if Disney didnt remake, I assure you someone else would have. And they may have kept the original work. Disney changed it (and many other dark stories) to be more kid friendly. Which I believe is a good thing

I also see no issue with certain stories living forever. People like them. So why end them. Just because you dont like them

Even if Disney stops telling the story, someone else would pick it up. And the stories arent going away anytime soon. Theyve been around for a while. Hundreds of years, I think

But Im talking about the diversity. Whether they had diversity or not, they would be squeezing money out of successful characters. So, Im not sure what that has to do with the diversity part

As for making new movies, they do sometimes. But even then, they might just take an old fairy tale people forgot of and make it diverse. Which is also fine. I dont see a problem with that. Or if they make a classic diverse Its fine either way

If you asking me if its ok, I think its fine. By asking the way you did, it makes it sound like youre against diversity, tbh Also, since these are fairy tales and not true, I dont really see why youd have to go for realism or what would be appropriate or whatever Most involve magic and shit

It doesn't matter if it's realistic or not since people are going to complain anyway. Like the "controversy" with Kingdom Come Deliverance.

Zeus posted...

jfc... Mulan without songs and a dragon, a race-swapped Snow White without any dwarves... like, wtf is the point of this shit?

After a certain point, I suspect outrage artists have to just be doing this for attention. Especially since Dink should know better.

Yea. IME Dwarves (the fantasy race) have a relatively positive image in popular culture and tend to be well liked. I can't think of anyone who treats them as disabled or the like. So it feels extremely weird to see something like this.

wpot posted...

Does every Disney movie really need to live forever?

kangolcone posted...

I like when people get upset that classic Disney movies are being changed because Disney has almost zero original stories in their classic catalogue. Even Frozen is based on a HCA story.

wpot posted...

Disney will try to make them last forever (with good success) but they don't NEED to. And they shouldn't in some cases. But yes, in this case Disney isn't going to go that route.
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What they're really trying to do is to squeeze more money out of characters that have been successful,

I think in the arguments of diversity and representation, what has been forgotten or at least pushed aside, this was a public domain story that Disney has made their Intellectual Property, and seeks to retain it for the foreseeable century and beyond.

wwinterj25 posted...

Fuck sake. People need thicker skins. I've come to the conclusion that some people just want to be outraged all the time no matter what. What's worse is when these companies bend over to please them. Casting Rachel Zegler as Snow White is also dumb but I mean Disney has cast a black Ariel for the live action little mermaid so that doesn't shock me.

Tbh, making Snow White Latina is more than just a little dumb. If any fictional character should be portrayed by a white actress, it's Snow White. It's in her frickin' name. White as snow. Disney should've just found the darkest black woman to cast as Snow White. At least it would've been funny on top of being stupid.

I like Dinklage but he's wrong here

He doesn't seem to understand the difference between folklore dwarves and short humans. The short humans got their name from the folklore race. Is he going to demand the upcoming Lord of the Rings Amazon show not use any dwarves? What woukd he do if he played World of Warcraft? Or DnD?

Looks like I can't play a dwarf in dungeons and dragons anymore.

This is why woke culture should be ignored.

Person106 posted...

Tbh, making Snow White Latina is more than just a little dumb. If any fictional character should be portrayed by a white actress, it's Snow White. It's in her frickin' name. White as snow. Disney should've just found the darkest black woman to cast as Snow White. At least it would've been funny on top of being stupid.

You hear it here folks. Latin people can't be pale.

KodyKeir posted...

I think in the arguments of diversity and representation, what has been forgotten or at least pushed aside, this was a public domain story that Disney has made their Intellectual Property, and seeks to retain it for the foreseeable century and beyond.

They can do it but it won't matter. Anybody can make their own version of Snow White since Disney can only own the copyright to their own works in regards to it.

EvilMegas posted...

You hear it here folks. Latin people can't be pale.

Why are you calling Rachel Zegler pale?

Zikten posted...

I like Dinklage but he's wrong here

He doesn't seem to understand the difference between folklore dwarves and short humans. The short humans got their name from the folklore race. Is he going to demand the upcoming Lord of the Rings Amazon show not use any dwarves? What woukd he do if he played World of Warcraft? Or DnD?

he's also played a dwarf in the last few years zik

MetalGarurumon posted...

he's also played a dwarf in the last few years zik

I know that but he wasn't a folklore Dwarf. He's a small guy. He's human in Game of Thrones

wpot posted...

I don't have a whole lot more to add: this was kind of an aside to the point I was originally trying to make, and I generally agree that Disney is trying hard to be diverse and do a good job, and I agree that trying too hard is better than not trying hard enough given their history.

As for cultural accuracy/magic, it's not that it's impossible for anything to happen in a magic world. They could all get warped to Atlantis and "it's magic" would explain it, technically. It's that trying too hard to add diversity (cynically or not) causes its own problems IMO: *my* gut reaction is that sweeping subcultural/cultural differences aside and saying "we can all give up who we were and assimilate into 1700s France" has its own problematic implications. And then there's some loss of immersion and the inevitable counter-reaction from the right.

...but maybe I'm wrong and it's worth it. I'd be interested to hear anyone from a 'subculture' tell me if that felt corporate/fake to you or whether you thought it was good/helpful. I expect there are a variety of opinions.

So the beast turned human and talking furniture that attacked them from a magic spell would make total sense to the people of 1700s France, but a black servant is toooooooooo much. Got it.

I hope this costs 7 dwarfs their jobs now that Disney would have cast. Good job Peter...good job...

Decoy77 posted...

I hope this costs 7 dwarfs their jobs now that Disney would have cast. Good job Peter...good job...

I think the fact that you are referring to them as dwarfs does more to emphasize his point than you thought when you wrote it.

kangolcone posted...

I think the fact that you are referring to them as dwarfs does more to emphasize his point than you thought when you wrote it.

Oh, the horror. Someone referring to them as dwarves when that's what they're known as in real life. Need another hanky?

Person106 posted...

dwarves

Dwarves is a term invented by Tolkien. Dwarfs is sometimes used as a term for those with dwarfism.